ECC papers

[Vapocalyptic]

Lol I would of hit that fat guy right in his mouth.... Yes, I'd stoop that low - he carries himself like a ...... IF this is real, he ignored all legal precedence surrounding a legal serve - establishing identity, hand to hand transfer etc. He made himself look foolish, a felony? Uh... Destroying legal documents is a felony if it is in fact, a legal document... A cease and desist letter is not a legal document, (which I think is what is being served?)

The clone war is something we can all speculate and talk about for weeks, but I think we can all agree this guy needs to be punched squarely in the mouth. Smh

 

[Auntie Mame]

We did see some Kryptonite tanks that my analog smoking hub said, "are they expecting 12 year olds to shop here?" They were glowing green tanks, I wasn't even interested enough to get any closer. As we walked away, he said something about DC comics will get them for that.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

The guys serving the papers actually inspired me to buy a clone.....weird. What a complete and utter act of idiocy.

Funny that you should say that. Bought an authentic mech last night, and just got inspired to buy a couple of clone RDA's this evening. Not...sure...why.

 

[MrPlink]

It has been reported the cease and desist letter was from Kryptonite. The rights to the Kryptonite trademark is held by DC Comics which they have successfully defended in court, DC Comics Prevails In Trademark Suit Vs. Kryptonite.

Perhaps the exercise in idiocy that we see on the video is what is to be expected when IP thieves turn on one another.

LOLz, legal fail.

Btw, throwing paper at someone is battery, not assault. Double fail.

And Tobeco makes a great 454 clone.

 

[ImThatGuy]

Man, I missed everything. I was at the event all 3 days and didn't even see that fiasco. Now, the video is gone. So, I missed everything! ....

Oh, FYI...

First, I know some vendors that had booths at ECC and all were informed...way before the actual event (maybe even when they signed up for the booth) that sales of clones is prohibited. Now to say it was in actual writing in the terms of when the contract was live...don't know.

Second, Kryptonite tanks don't light up green or anything. It's just the stand they use for their tanks to illuminate and project their tanks (a kryptonite look). They advertise their tanks by claiming they are nearly indestructible (I have actually thrown one up in the air about 50 feet to fall straight on concrete and no crack/breaks were visible after inspection).

FOUND IT!!! and watched it...shameful... No wonder I didn't get to see it. It was in the Pavillion where...I restricted myself from going. It was hot in there and I know the Shenzhen vendors (china) were at. That paper wasn't an actual official paper. At best it was a C&D on behalf of those whose trademarks/patents/whatever were being misused. The so-called 'elitists' were more like...'I live in my mom's basement so I can save up enough allowance to buy an authentic 'competition' mod for my expensive hobby".

It is shameful that so-called members of our community would act that way, but it is what it is. We all are thugs and saints in our own ways.

Lastly, if the paper thrown landed on anyone then it would be battery. If the paper thrown missed it's intended target then it would be assault.

 

[NealBJr]

Ok, NOt debating here, but I figured I'd share my opinion for thought. I don't think that copying a design is cloning unless there is a patent on a new technology that is better than the technology far and beyond what is currently out. Not knowing the full legal extent of what is new and improved, I don't think that there are many atomizers out there that are vastly superior as a technological standpont. All atomizers work on the same principle of heating an element, usually through a battery, in order to boil the liquid into a vapor. They can position things different, make it taller, shorter, etc, but the technology is still the same. So, IMO, cloning a shape and overall design of the ecig should not be illegal. They tout that clones choke off innovation, and I haven't seen too much innovation lately, just slightly bettering the design by location/size.

One case point where I do think that there was a true legal issue, was way back in 2012 when someone actually designed a Piezoelectric atomizer instead of a heating coil to make the vapor. Another company copied the design, was sued, and they won the battle. In that case, they won the battle, but I have yet been able to find a piezoelectric atomizer on the market... so in that case, it hindered the innovation process that goes with ecigarettes. So, legal issues = bad mojo for the ecig industry and innovation of the ecigs.

Now, one thing that SHOULD be illegal, is putting someone elses logo on the devices. This is a trademark infringement and legal actions should ensue. Instead, why doesn't the clone makers put their own logo on their devices and let their own brand attest to the quality of the item. Currently I am vaping clones...with logos.. and none were made by the actual creator of the device. I would much prefer a logo less mod, or one with the actual maker of the clones. The clones I have are good ones, and I wish I could stand up for the manufacturer.

One of the worst issues about this whole situation, was they were served papers and told they could not sell clones AFTER they had paid their admittance fee. That was a big no no in my book. To add insult to injury, the video shows grown adults acting immature about the whole process. I have seen too many immature decisions made in this industry in the last few months, and it's not doing the whole industry any good.


Food for thought.

 

[ImThatGuy]

One of the worst issues about this whole situation, was they were served papers and told they could not sell clones AFTER they had paid their admittance fee. That was a big no no in my book. To add insult to injury, the video shows grown adults acting immature about the whole process. I have seen too many immature decisions made in this industry in the last few months, and it's not doing the whole industry any good.

From what I know, all vendors were informed at the time of their contract (payment, signature, etc.) that sales of clones/replicas are prohibited.

 

[klynnn]

This is a video shown round the world. Just what does it make us look like.

 

[zoiDman]

...

Now, one thing that SHOULD be illegal, is putting someone elses logo on the devices. This is a trademark infringement and legal actions should ensue. Instead, why doesn't the clone makers put their own logo on their devices and let their own brand attest to the quality of the item. Currently I am vaping clones...with logos.. and none were made by the actual creator of the device. I would much prefer a logo less mod, or one with the actual maker of the clones. The clones I have are good ones, and I wish I could stand up for the manufacturer.

...

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Marc411]

I've read a lot of the comments from our community (and others) and a large majority have said it was tasteless and unprofessional.

There is a huge negative response to the video and their actions. I think folks will see us for what we are klynn, a majority of respectful people that will not tolerate infringing on others rights.

I feel pretty good about how most of us responded, it had that video pulled down pretty quick

 

[xpl0it]

Who really cares!?

Let the poor folk buy their clones/counterfeits! I appreciate the quality of my authentic hardware just as much as I appreciate the quality of my authentic Rolex's. The people buying clones/counterfeits would have never been able to afford the authentic to begin with.

Not exactly a real loss anyway you look at it.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

 

[zoiDman]

...

One of the worst issues about this whole situation, was they were served papers and told they could not sell clones AFTER they had paid their admittance fee. That was a big no no in my book. To add insult to injury, the video shows grown adults acting immature about the whole process. I have seen too many immature decisions made in this industry in the last few months, and it's not doing the whole industry any good.

I'm Not Sure why this should be a No No?

If company X wants to Issue a Cease and Desist Notice to Company Y, why does it matter when you do it?

I do agree though that the way the Cease and Desists Notice was Issued was COPLETELY Immature. And was the type of Antic I would Expect to see from a Spoiled Adolescent. And not from an Adult.

 

[UncleChuck]

I'm Not Sure why this should be a No No?

If company X wants to Issue a Cease and Desist Notice to Company Y, why does it matter when you do it?

I do agree though that the way the Cease and Desists Notice was Issued was COPLETELY Immature. And was the type of Antic I would Expect to see from a Spoiled Adolescent. And not from an Adult.

I think he was talking about the organizer's stance on not allowing clones to be sold at the venue, not the goof troop's C&D notice, as there was some debate earlier on whether the organizer's rules were made clear before contracts were signed and money exchanged.

Another thing on the whole not allowing counterfeits, which VJ recently mentioned, is the actual wording here. Calling them "counterfeits" is dishonest at best because that word specifically means something meant to defraud someone, as in selling them and claiming they are authentic products. While there may be a few scammers running around selling clones as authentic devices, that is the extreme minority and not the role that these products are filling. Replicas or clones is truly the word that best defines them, the whole "counterfeit" label seems like complete BS that simply makes angry clone-haters feel better.

The vape community always gets upset when the outside world uses these types of tactics (changing the meaning of words for emotional effect, illogical arguments about "what ifs") against us, and now here we are doing to to our own. Not only on the clone issue but also the cloud chasing issue as well.

 

[zoiDman]

I think he was talking about the organizer's stance on not allowing clones to be sold at the venue, not the goof troop's C&D notice, as there was some debate earlier on whether the organizer's rules were made clear before contracts were signed and money exchanged.

When was ECC No Selling of Clones Policy stated? I thought that was from the Beginning?

Before any Exhibitor Contracts was signed.

BTW - Goof Troop. Love it!

 

[jdake3265]

Did not really get the complete gist of the post. Perhaps, there wasn't one.

maybe he just wanted to try to inform us of something, but i don't know what

 

[JulesXsmokr]

So - who spoke to the ECC administrators about the papers being served and what did they have to say..?
Or was this a joke committed by a jokester and antagonists are blowing this joke out to be a monster with nothing but interests in personal agendas!

 

[UncleChuck]

Who really cares!?

Let the poor folk buy their clones/counterfeits! I appreciate the quality of my authentic hardware just as much as I appreciate the quality of my authentic Rolex's. The people buying clones/counterfeits would have never been able to afford the authentic to begin with.

Not exactly a real loss anyway you look at it.

Are you a fellow member of the "vaping elitist" mentioned in the video?

Sure, people that buy clones are just poor people, and who needs their patronage anyway. Lets forget that plenty of people have large collections of both authentic and clone gear, plenty more have enough clones they could have bought many authentic devices, and others still that simply feel ripped off paying over $100 for an atty or $200 for a mod. The assumption that authentic gear is going to assuredly be of some magical quality is as false as the assumption that only poor people buy clones. I've had plenty of authentic gear and plenty of clone gear, and if I were to rank all of them in order of quality it would be a back and forth mix of clone and authentic, admittedly with more authentics towards the top, but plenty of clones too.

 

[UncleChuck]

When was ECC No Selling of Clones Policy stated? I thought that was from the Beginning?

Before any Exhibitor Contracts was signed.

BTW - Goof Troop. Love it!

Good question, not trying to get involved in that debate, just trying to clear up what appeared to be a slight misunderstanding

 

[ImThatGuy]

Okay...back it up a bit...lost for a moment...

I thought it was a merchant/vendor that had "elitists" serve the "papers"? I don't think the ECC organizers were the ones who did it.

OR

Are you asking if anyone has spoken to ECC about what had happened? Information, details, etc...

 

[zoiDman]

Good question, not trying to get involved in that debate, just trying to clear up what appeared to be a slight misunderstanding

I understand Chuck.

But just let me ask You and Everyone else this Question. So I have the Players Straight.

The Goof Balls who had the Demand Notice and Filmed the Entire Escapade were from a Company who had No Official Ties to ECC 2014 other than perhaps being an Exhibitor.

And the Person who was "Served" the Demand Notice was from another Company who had No Official Ties to ECC 2014 other than perhaps being an Exhibitor.

Right?