clone vs Authentic: The Real Discussion
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Germans make better cars. And Kayfuns.
Owning an Audi and VW, I will agree they do make better cars. Just what does Croatia make?
No, that's not true at all. Just an example - a K100/101 is a 15$ brass mod that actually gives better output performance / less power loss than the original.
Invented the Neck Tie. Mechanical pencil. Birth place of Nikola Tesla. Fantastic beer. And the XD line of handguns, marketed as spriengfields in the US.
I wouldn't consider that a clone since no logos are faked on the kamry mods, and I think if I remember the design is similar bought not exact.
Well, US cars are cheaper and even with shipping and tax are still a bit cheaper than european cars of the same class. We, europeans, don't buy us cars just because they're of a poorer quality, fuel economy and with a plasticy feel. All owner satisfaction polls show a huge percentage of engine, chassis and gearbox faults which puts us cars head to head with korean cars in terms of reliability. Just watch a few episodes of Top Gear. And I mean the authentic, european Top Gear, not the US cloneImport taxes and shipping costs
Am I the only person that works outside everyday of the year?
I see $300.00 - $600.00 smart phones crushed and destroyed on just about a weekly basis (phone wasn't so smart after all, it didn't move)
Now I smoked about $85.00 of cigs a week so if I break $70.00 DNA30 clone weekly, I'm still ahead. (can't do that with an authentic)
Since I make my own juice (huge!!! savings) in a very short time my cig money adds up quickly. This money is then put into a
separate account just for vape gear, so cost is not a deterrent.
Now with some background out of the way let's try an experiment...
I have been wanting to pick up a REO Woodvil for a couple of months, so let me jump over to the REO site, BRB .....................
OK I'm back, and it seems there are still no Woodvils let alone the one I want
Hey I know, PDIB has that bottom feeder box mod I've been wanting. Do you think I could have it by Christmas?
Seems are experiment isn't going well.
Now I know what your going to say, "look in the ECF classifieds" or other web searches. In which case I can buy a second hand, not
the one I wanted for 90% of retail or more. (try that with a used car)
What???... a Woodvil came up and sold while I was in the bathroom. maybe next time.
So in conclusion...
I have money
If you can make it out of diamond, I can take it to work and break it.
Real or clone I don't care it has to be available, IT KEEPS ME OFF CIGARETTES no more no less
I see $300.00 - $600.00 smart phones crushed and destroyed on just about a weekly basis (phone wasn't so smart after all, it didn't move)
Now I smoked about $85.00 of cigs a week so if I break $70.00 DNA30 clone weekly, I'm still ahead. (can't do that with an authentic)
Since I make my own juice (huge!!! savings) in a very short time my cig money adds up quickly. This money is then put into a
separate account just for vape gear, so cost is not a deterrent.
Now with some background out of the way let's try an experiment...
I have been wanting to pick up a REO Woodvil for a couple of months, so let me jump over to the REO site, BRB .....................
OK I'm back, and it seems there are still no Woodvils let alone the one I want
Hey I know, PDIB has that bottom feeder box mod I've been wanting. Do you think I could have it by Christmas?
Seems are experiment isn't going well.
Now I know what your going to say, "look in the ECF classifieds" or other web searches. In which case I can buy a second hand, not
the one I wanted for 90% of retail or more. (try that with a used car)
What???... a Woodvil came up and sold while I was in the bathroom. maybe next time.
So in conclusion...
I have money
If you can make it out of diamond, I can take it to work and break it.
Real or clone I don't care it has to be available, IT KEEPS ME OFF CIGARETTES no more no less
Am I the only person that works outside everyday of the year?
I see $300.00 - $600.00 smart phones crushed and destroyed on just about a weekly basis (phone wasn't so smart after all, it didn't move)
Now I smoked about $85.00 of cigs a week so if I break $70.00 DNA30 clone weekly, I'm still ahead. (can't do that with an authentic)
Since I make my own juice (huge!!! savings) in a very short time my cig money adds up quickly. This money is then put into a
separate account just for vape gear, so cost is not a deterrent.
Now with some background out of the way let's try an experiment...
I have been wanting to pick up a REO Woodvil for a couple of months, so let me jump over to the REO site, BRB .....................
OK I'm back, and it seems there are still no Woodvils let alone the one I want
Hey I know, PDIB has that bottom feeder box mod I've been wanting. Do you think I could have it by Christmas?
Seems are experiment isn't going well.
Now I know what your going to say, "look in the ECF classifieds" or other web searches. In which case I can buy a second hand, not
the one I wanted for 90% of retail or more. (try that with a used car)
What???... a Woodvil came up and sold while I was in the bathroom. maybe next time.
So in conclusion...
I have money
If you can make it out of diamond, I can take it to work and break it.
Real or clone I don't care it has to be available, IT KEEPS ME OFF CIGARETTES no more no less
The "P" word. Always available & built to last.
I've heard "they are designed to last 20 years" but is anyone posting on here with a 20 year old
computer or using a 20 year old cell phone, TV or other electronic device?
I doubt Provari warranties against being run over by an excavator.
Anything I've sent back in 3 pieces usually voids the warranty.
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Screw it. Grab a carton of Marlboros. If a pack gets run over by an excavator, grab another out of the carton.
If the carton gets run over by an excavator, well, I can't help you there.
Made in the USA doesn't mean much to me, personally, in regards to quality. Perhaps it's my engineer father, and being on jobs with him. He's from another country, and while he won't buy much from his country of origin due to lack of quality there (Tiawan), he'll almost always buy things made outside the USA if he wants it to last. A company like Provape gains my business by standing by their product in customer service, but most other USA companies wouldn't do that. I'm also not about to support a mod maker who charges $300 plus for a limited edition anything. Especially if I can find a similar mod, made of similar material, for $150 and it'll also be authentic. I do buy authentic when I believe it's being sold for a fair price. There are a slew of mods being sold for ridiculous prices right now though.
It might be politically incorrect to admit this, but me either. I don't really care where something is made, but I do care HOW something is made. If I'm spending my money, I want it to WORK. All the time, every time. And if I need to spend a bit more to do that, I will. But yes, I'd always prefer to spend less.
My two best-performing-and-most-reliable mods are made in Australia and the US. I purchased neither based on where they were made.
That's where clones shine, their like packs of cigarettes if you crush one throw it away.
Interesting discussion here. It just so happens that I JUST moved to rebuildables. Like, I ordered this week and am still waiting for some of the parcels to get here. Well, I have to say, I don't think I would have made the jump if clones did not exist. There is no way I can justify to myself the price of a rebuildable and the mod that would go with it if the ato itself costs $100+. As things stand, it's already a fairly big investment for trying something out.
As for clones destroying innovation, I am still a bit doubtful (although it bears repeating I haven't even held a single rebuildable in my hands yet). When shopping around, it was really tough making choices. Most models look strongly alike, both inside and out. Looking on the forums, for each and every ato you will find someone complaining about leakages, gurgling, difficult to fill, not adapted to take outside, and what not. It's worrying enough for a $40 purchase, it's downright terrifying for something that costs $160...
That is not to say I will never splurge for the real thing in the future. If the experience is as good as everyone says, I'm quite happy going for the best equipment as long as I can afford it, although admittedly I would expect a real difference on manufacturing quality. But yeah, clones are essential for people looking to try out.
As for clones destroying innovation, I am still a bit doubtful (although it bears repeating I haven't even held a single rebuildable in my hands yet). When shopping around, it was really tough making choices. Most models look strongly alike, both inside and out. Looking on the forums, for each and every ato you will find someone complaining about leakages, gurgling, difficult to fill, not adapted to take outside, and what not. It's worrying enough for a $40 purchase, it's downright terrifying for something that costs $160...
That is not to say I will never splurge for the real thing in the future. If the experience is as good as everyone says, I'm quite happy going for the best equipment as long as I can afford it, although admittedly I would expect a real difference on manufacturing quality. But yeah, clones are essential for people looking to try out.
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It's great that we can each apply our own value systems to our purchases. Once we get to the point where we stop deciding OUR way is better than ALL OTHER ways, we've arrived.
As stated previously, the ONLY time I care about what someone is buying, is when they're buying it for ME. Other than that, have at it.
I bought a ProVari based on its reviews and reputation. The fact that is made in the USA with a majority of the parts being produced in the USA was a bonus. The fact that I can get it fixed if I screw it up was a major plus (I have a couple of others collecting dust because there is no where to send them for repairs/replacement of parts).
In some things I will look very closely at where it is made (dog food being a prime example), others I want value for my money.
In some things I will look very closely at where it is made (dog food being a prime example), others I want value for my money.
That's my story, too. Without clones, I wouldn't have moved on to mech mods or rebuildables. An MVP, possibly followed by a Provari would have been my natural path.
I'm also uncertain about clones killing innovation. imo (no numbers to back up anything) clones made rebuildables and mech mods affordable, and turned a niche market into a popular one. Popularity encourages competition, creation of more products, quick response to consumer demand, innovation. Would we have the immense variety in rebuildables and mechs today if it were not for the popularity of these products? Would these products be popular with a price range limited to $100+?
Good point... product lifetime.
Won't find many of the products being discussed in this thread at even a 20 month lifespan yet... Most haven't been on the market that long!!
The k100 was most definitely a clone of the empire mod.
k100 from China
original Empire mod
They copied that down to the drip shield and early models even included a bridgless dripping atty which was garbage by the way. The reason the clone doesn't have logos is because the original didn't either. The orginal clone was pretty bad though that's why they came forth with the 101.
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