Salt?

[ajventi]

Was thinking more test tube / Bunsen burner type of set up but yeah I get what your saying I'm cynical that it will work myself can't see how a atomiser can provide enough heat to melt salt and as a mineral I highly doubt it could be vapourised atall but am interested in how it could work I'm sure there must be a way to make salt tasting flavouring but I doubt this is the way to do it was just a suggestion to see if any salt ( if at all ) will vapourise off as steam

It has to, vaporizers aren't really boiling the liquid completely, some liquid is boiled but carries small particles of liquid up into the vapor as well. Think of a pot of water, just before it boils it begins to give off white vapor, that's water vapor but it's not steam. Steam is invisible on a fully boiling pot the vapor only becomes visible when it travels far enough away from the heat to begin condensing back into liquid form. Vaporization and evaporation are really two different things, although closely related. This is how wet things dry out without reaching the high temperature it takes to boil water.

If it was straight evaporation (which would be impossible in such a small device) you would get the components of e-liquid coming off in the order of their boiling points. Ethanol, Water, PG, then VG (which has a boiling point 190C above water)

 

[Fishtec]

So I guess we can some this thread by saying it won't work :-( sorry op

 

[killnine]

So I guess we can some this thread by saying it won't work :-( sorry op

I'm going back to the idea trying a bit of lemon or lime or anise or other 'acidics' for raising high notes (and probably lowering PH), and probably something to raise PH if it needs 'mellowed' or spread out. I think keeping tabs on the PH levels of juices will have a much more telling effect on perceived flavors than any one ingredient being added could help.

 

[tnt56]

IMHO I love the Idea. The human body need sodium and it will deterarate with out it. When you drink to much water you flush the sodium from your body. (I've had to go through this and I don't want anyone else to have to). It sounds fantastic to me. But that's just me and my

 

[ajventi]

So I guess we can some this thread by saying it won't work :-( sorry op

No I don't believe that's true, a few people have chimed in and said they already do it. I have to assume it must be giving them the desired effect or else they wouldn't use it. The tl;dr of my last thread was that some salt will be carried in the vapor.

 

[mariahpoo]

No I don't believe that's true, a few people have chimed in and said they already do it. I have to assume it must be giving them the desired effect or else they wouldn't use it. The tl;dr of my last thread was that some salt will be carried in the vapor.

But is it safe? IDK...


What are other salt substitutes that give that same effect. I know people said lemon, lime, anise (NO anise for me). I can see what they mean about the lemon. But... I would not want my flavors to read as lemony. :/ Catch 22... IDK... there has to be a way to get a salt like flavor into e juice... there just has to.

 

[n2tkd]

Should of had a V8...got me thinking.
Vape Happy

 

[killnine]

But is it safe? IDK...


What are other salt substitutes that give that same effect. I know people said lemon, lime, anise (NO anise for me). I can see what they mean about the lemon. But... I would not want my flavors to read as lemony. :/ Catch 22... IDK... there has to be a way to get a salt like flavor into e juice... there just has to.

Just a couple of drops of the kind of lemon juice you get at the store (5% dilution usually of citric acid?) per 5ml for fruit/sweet stuff, and about the same with apple cider vinegar or white vinegar in savory or tobacco flavors is the typical amount to add without noticing any vinegar or lemon being added. I've tried the lemon in a couple things, and it does open up the flavor a bit. It seems to add some bright notes without adding lemon, and makes the flavor less 'dense' and more airy, allowing you to notice mixed flavors more. I think the vinegar seems to mellow out harsher flavors and allow others to come through in a mix. There's a whole long thread on this somewhere I just finished reading. Search for vinegar.

 

[ajventi]

Personally I'll only use vinegar. It's acid is acetic acid which is a volatile acid, that's why it's so fragrant because it evaporates at a low temperature. I know there are some doubts about the safety of vaping Citric acid. But I've basically been inhaling vinegar all my life as have most of us. Citric acid is also a solid in it's natural form as while acetic acid is a liquid.

 

[Charlie369]

But is it safe? IDK...


What are other salt substitutes that give that same effect. I know people said lemon, lime, anise (NO anise for me). I can see what they mean about the lemon. But... I would not want my flavors to read as lemony. :/ Catch 22... IDK... there has to be a way to get a salt like flavor into e juice... there just has to.

OK a few things,

Citric acid MAY be ok to vape in low concentrations, It is used by ...... addicts to dissolve there dope and they shoot it, so can't be that toxic. it dosnt taste lemoney just sour, its a common flavour enhancer, and will more than likely dissolve in PG.

Salt aka Sodium Chloride NaCl will be dissociated or 'split' in water, PG / VG or whatever given enough voltage, current and free ions, this process is called electrolysis and only happens above 1.5v (may differ slightly depending on the substance, the theory behind this is why single cell batteries produce 1.5v ).

for NaCl to be disassociated by a coil then a number of factors would be important, first of all there would need to be a voltage of atleast 1.5v between the coil terminals, there would need to be enough free ions in solution (so more salt, more free ions).

It's not just table salt NaCl that is the only salt, there are lots of salts we encounter in everyday life which could potentially make it into an eliquid, I doubt very many gasses will be produced in with very low salt concentrations, one way to test would be to get the e-juice to how you want it and put it in an atty with no coil, and fill where your coil would be with the liquid so that it covers both positive and negative terminals, fire it continuiously for 10 minutes or so and observe if any bubbles are produced.

This could be really bad if taken as advice, please do your own research.

 

[ajventi]

OK a few things,

Citric acid MAY be ok to vape in low concentrations, It is used by ...... addicts to dissolve there dope and they shoot it, so can't be that toxic. it dosnt taste lemoney just sour, its a common flavour enhancer, and will more than likely dissolve in PG.

That's incredibly terrible logic. Citric acid is a very common food additive, it's a natural acid that is in many many different fruits, namely citrus fruits hence the name. Injecting it, or eating it are different delivery methods than inhaling it. It's well known that many acid vapors are very harmful to the lungs.

 

[mariahpoo]

Okay.. I was thinking of this thread as I ate sour straws... you know the candy... anyway The "sour" powder crumbs on the candy do have a salt like profile. Just enough to be what I am looking for. They thing is that they are super concentrate of sour without lemon or lime. Is there a flavoring out there like that? If so I think that could be my safe salt like taste that I need.

 

[JPoodles]

from one poo to another-
its been theorized that inhalers containing NACL actually lessen the respiratory system's ability to fight off infection. I don't think its common knowledge yet but some studies have shown that antibacterial activity ,of innate immune mediators within the respiratory system, is salt-sensitive; an increase in salt concentration inhibits their activity- food for thought. As a chef, I am interested in flavor ehancers and would love to find something viable. I wonder if (as mentioned earlier) soy sauce (low sodium?) or a liquid amino would work.

 

[ajventi]

Okay.. I was thinking of this thread as I ate sour straws... you know the candy... anyway The "sour" powder crumbs on the candy do have a salt like profile. Just enough to be what I am looking for. They thing is that they are super concentrate of sour without lemon or lime. Is there a flavoring out there like that? If so I think that could be my safe salt like taste that I need.

Look at the ingredients, there may be some salt in there. Candy makers use Citric, Malic and Tartaric quite a bit, they are really the three most prevalent naturally occuring acids in most fruits. All acids generally are descibed as sour tasting, Citric tends to give you more 'sour' where tartaric is really the definition of 'tart'. Malic (the name mal means bad in latin) is a bit hard to describe, it's the main acid in apples.

I don't find any of them alone have any type of saltiness too them, there's something else in that candy giving a salt flavor, and it's very likely salt.

 

[mariahpoo]

Look at the ingredients, there may be some salt in there. Candy makers use Citric, Malic and Tartaric quite a bit, they are really the three most prevalent naturally occuring acids in most fruits. All acids generally are descibed as sour tasting, Citric tends to give you more 'sour' where tartaric is really the definition of 'tart'. Malic (the name mal means bad in latin) is a bit hard to describe, it's the main acid in apples.

I don't find any of them alone have any type of saltiness too them, there's something else in that candy giving a salt flavor, and it's very likely salt.

:/ wellllllllllllllllllllllllllllll poo. I mean... well... okay... I see what you mean about sour NOT being salty. But the sour had the sameish type of reaction as salt does in my mouth.... does that make sense? Like a very slightly stingy and mouth watering feel. You get me? I was wondering if I could trick taste buds into thinking is like salt... like a salt substitute... you know?

 

[WallyO]

WL has a TFA salt water taffy flavor. Wonder what they use to get the salty?

 

[Hosedragger]

you only "taste" 4 things sweet salt sour and bitter the rest is through your sense of smell so the sour will not substitute the salty

 

[ajventi]

you only "taste" 4 things sweet salt sour and bitter the rest is through your sense of smell so the sour will not substitute the salty

Five things, you forgot Umami.

 

[Hosedragger]

Five things, you forgot Umami.

that's not a real taste in my book (but I'm not a scientist) I think it was just to promote something like a Halmark Holiday.

 

[Fishtec]

That's incredibly terrible logic. Citric acid is a very common food additive, it's a natural acid that is in many many different fruits, namely citrus fruits hence the name. Injecting it, or eating it are different delivery methods than inhaling it. It's well known that many acid vapors are very harmful to the lungs.

Why do they add it to there ....... Is the flavour of ****** not all that