Same tank different mod...

[Kittyntwinstarz]

Hey all. So my daughter and I both have the smok Prince tank. She loves the T10 coil and can vape easily at 80w with excellent flavor and huge clouds. I tried it and mine starts to taste burnt. Same juice and both primed by me at same time. Mine seems to be best at 50-60w. Only difference is she has the Sigelei 213 and I have the SMOK procolor, but both mods are 220w. Is it possible my mod is the problem? That maybe the Sigelei has more power or what not? Just cannot figure out the difference.

 

[Baditude]

She can vape easily at 80w with excellent flavor and huge clouds. I tried it and mine starts to taste burnt. Mine seems to be best at 50-60w. Only difference is she has the Sigelei 213 and I have the SMOK procolor, but both mods are 220w. Is it possible my mod is the problem? That maybe the Sigelei has more power or what not? Just cannot figure out the difference.

First, although its advertised as a 213 watt mod, the Segelei can only put out about 150 watts. I have the Segelei Fuschai 213 Plus mod and my JAC Vapour DNA75W single battery mod outperforms it and provides a better vaping experience.



Having said that, all mods do not perform equally even if they advertise similar specifications. They may use different microchip boards, and the chips determine how well a mod regulates power output as well as control battery efficiency. Some utilize filters in the chip that provide a smoother vaping experience. I'm a firm believer that the more expensive DNA and YiHi chips outperform generic chips.

Personally, I've never been a fan of SMOK products, especially their mods. However, the same reviewer as above gave glowing reviews for the SMOK Procolor.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Certainly different. You can taste it even as low as me. I go at 12 watts on something but 1 regulated will be 13 and another 11 watts.

Cheap churned out gear can’t be expected to perform down to even 5 watts between each other.
Ime though, 3 watts has been the biggest difference between my cheaper mods, obviously that slight difference will be increased with more wattage

 

[Vaperer]

I own three different brands sigelei smok and wismec. I haven't had any problems with any of them but of course different settings for different mods. My wismec is a single battery so I use it at a lower wattage. Same with the smok. But the sigelei claims to go to 200. But I only go around 40 Watts. . I was under the impression the only reason to have a dual-battery mod was for saving battery life? I don't think I could inhale 80 Watts. But I guess everybody's different?

 

[Zutankhamun]

Yeah, everyone’s different. Some people go at some 150+ wattages. I think I spoke to one guy who said he does 200! I didn’t believe him and unless he was using 4 batteries I would have thought that was silly unsafe.
I got to about 90 before I realised that it’s pointless (for me) and moved on.
I think I’ve done 100 for the “thing” of doing it but no higher for me.

 

[AzPlumber]

First, although its advertised as a 213 watt mod, the Segelei can only put out about 150 watts. I have the Segelei Fuschai 213 Plus mod and my JAC Vapour DNA75W single battery mod outperforms it and provides a better vaping experience.



Having said that, all mods do not perform equally even if they advertise similar specifications. They may use different microchip boards, and the chips often determine how well a mod regulates power output as well as control battery efficiency. I'm a firm believer that the more expensive DNA and YiHi chips outperform generic chips.

Personally, I've never been a fan of SMOK products, especially their mods. However, the same reviewer as above gave glowing reviews for the SMOK Procolor.

^^^ This^^^

A Ford Pinto and a Mercedes Benz can both do 100 mph but one will be a much smoother ride. The same can be said for voltage regulation.

 

[Steve Parry]

Yeah, everyone’s different. Some people go at some 150+ wattages. I think I spoke to one guy who said he does 200! I didn’t believe him and unless he was using 4 batteries I would have thought that was silly unsafe.
I got to about 90 before I realised that it’s pointless (for me) and moved on.
I think I’ve done 100 for the “thing” of doing it but no higher for me.

I've got a tank I generally vape at about 150 watts, but I have vaped it at 200 on my DNA 250. Usually I vape it at .36 ohms on my Hammer of God which is a 4 battery parallel/series mech. My old lady usually vapes at 25 watts, and I had her hit that at 200 and she could vape it. It's all in how you build, and how you vape it.

That being said, most 200 watt mods don't go to 200 with the batteries available. They max out at 150 to 170, depending on the mod. 2 batteries aren't going to get you to 200. However, they should be pretty close to accurate in the 50 watt range. I had a Sigelei Fuchai 213 I picked up off a guy 2nd hand because he did TC and he felt the mod wasn't safe for that. I can tell you it was one of the weakest hitting mods I have ever used. If her mod says 80 watts on the screen, it's probably only hitting 50. I had a tank I vaped at 80 watts on my DNA and I had to turn it up to 120 on the Fuchai to get the same type of performance.

 

[Zutankhamun]

I've got a tank I generally vape at about 150 watts, but I have vaped it at 200 on my DNA 250. Usually I vape it at .36 ohms on my Hammer of God which is a 4 battery parallel/series mech. My old lady usually vapes at 25 watts, and I had her hit that at 200 and she could vape it. It's all in how you build, and how you vape it.

That being said, most 200 watt mods don't go to 200 with the batteries available. They max out at 150 to 170, depending on the mod. 2 batteries aren't going to get you to 200. However, they should be pretty close to accurate in the 50 watt range. I had a Sigelei Fuchai 213 I picked up off a guy 2nd hand because he did TC and he felt the mod wasn't safe for that. I can tell you it was one of the weakest hitting mods I have ever used. If her mod says 80 watts on the screen, it's probably only hitting 50. I had a tank I vaped at 80 watts on my DNA and I had to turn it up to 120 on the Fuchai to get the same type of performance.

Glad to hear we have a 150+ amongst us.
Myself regressed or progressed (however you view things) to mtl (specified) tanks on mechs with 1 ohm to 1.2 (tops).

I tried subbing with a dripper again the other day and it’s just not for me. I just found the clouds irritating.

 

[Steve Parry]

Glad to hear we have a 150+ amongst us.
Myself regressed or progressed (however you view things) to mtl (specified) tanks on mechs with 1 ohm to 1.2 (tops).

I tried subbing with a dripper again the other day and it’s just not for me. I just found the clouds irritating.

I'm vaping a .88 ohm single coil in the Squape E[C] at the moment at 30 watts. lol. I've got a lot of range, and respect for different styles of vaping. Progress is when you find the vape you like and you do it without blowing anything up. I generally only vape at high watts when I'm driving my truck. I like the intense vape to keep me alert and at it. Plus I try not to annoy the general public with huge clouds when I'm out and about.

 

[EIHYPI]

Generally I vape at 12 watts with the nautilus 2. I have three on the go setups with that tank and I use 24mg juice for these setups. But when I'm home it's a different ballgame. I use my Revenger with my goon 1.5 while relaxing and taking it easy. In the goon I have a ten wrap spaced build that I use at 85 watts with 6mg juice. I've gone as high as 120 but decided that there's no point for myself going that high but I do feel very comfortable with 85W. Therefore I build for around that wattage. For some they might consider 85 to be very high but I think that for me it's just right. Everyone is different. I have to admit though that my on the go setups definitely save me a ton of money because I'm mostly using those and 85W setup is a juice guzzler so I balance it out. So I enjoy both low wattage and higher wattage and they are both normal for me.

Just recently I used the Smok baby beast T8 coils (in my Revenger tank, they fit perfectly) and I was at 60 watts. After a few hours I tasted burnt but it was fine at about 45 watts. I think there are many bad coils people are getting from them, & even if you have once package of 5, one of those coils very well may be bad. I haven't gotten a bad nautilus coil as of yet.

 

[Twins Win]

I didn't realize that Sig's were weak hitting mods in general.

 

[Steve Parry]

I didn't realize that Sig's were weak hitting mods in general.

I can't speak for Sigelei as a whole. I've only owned two, and the first one was their version of the original LavaTube and it was harder hitting than the original because it had a higher amp limit (5 amps I believe). I also have a friend who has a Top 1 and I tried it out. That one seemed to be right at or about the same level as my DNA mod at 80 watts. I think it's specific devices of theirs that fall flat as opposed to the whole lineup, but someone with more experience than I with the brand might be able to answer better.

 

[Kittyntwinstarz]

You all have great feedback but I still don’t clearly see the answer. Is it likely that the same tank and wattage on different mods will cause different outcomes?

 

[Steve Parry]

You all have great feedback but I still don’t clearly see the answer. Is it likely that the same tank and wattage on different mods will cause different outcomes?

Yes. The Sigelei 213 doesn't perform at the level you set it at. So when her mod is at 80 watts and yours is at 50, you're probably getting about the same results.

 

[Kittyntwinstarz]

I can't speak for Sigelei as a whole. I've only owned two, and the first one was their version of the original LavaTube and it was harder hitting than the original because it had a higher amp limit (5 amps I believe). I also have a friend who has a Top 1 and I tried it out. That one seemed to be right at or about the same level as my DNA mod at 80 watts. I think it's specific devices of theirs that fall flat as opposed to the whole lineup, but someone with more experience than I with the brand might be able to answer better.

Thank you!!!! Now if I didn’t tell you the brand of mod is this still likely to occur with different mods.

 

[Steve Parry]

Thank you!!!! Now if I didn’t tell you the brand of mod is this still likely to occur with different mods.

To a small degree yes. In most cases it won't be that noticeable unless in higher wattages, like 120 watts or higher.

 

[Storm52]

Thank you!!!! Now if I didn’t tell you the brand of mod is this still likely to occur with different mods.

Yes and no. If you have two different manufacturers, using the same board, then shouldn't see a large variance in actual output, i.e. DNA or Yihi. However, you can have the same manufacturer using different boards for their products and there could be wide variances between devices, i.e. Smok.

 

[mackman]

Even the same mods will vary . Variations in the way it was assembled/soldered will change mod resistances(although slight) even could be a variation between the 2 attys. With that said you should be able to dial in the vapes vary similarly.

 

[stols001]

Basically, every mod has a power board which is going to take "juice" from your battery and turn it into wattage. Boards vary wildly in how efficiently and well they do this. So yes, mods can vary quite a bit in performance if using the same "wattage" across the board. For example, my Steampunk nanos have a very efficient board, which means when I use them, I am often using "less" wattage and get excellent battery life due to the efficiency of the conversion. It can be quite noticeable, the external battery Pico for example seems to perform with much less efficiency than some other mods. I have an Eleaf Invoke which to my understanding uses the same or similar board, and I do vape it at slightly higher wattages than some of my other mods, to achieve more or less the same "effect" etc. I'd say there could be mod to same mod differences due to the manufacturing process.

Equally, coils can have variances, which is another reason the priming process can be useful.... As you wind up finding your "happy place" as you prime one coil vs another. You may find some coils vape best a few watts higher. And as the coil life heads toward lack of useful life, it will often mute and/or provide less vapor, leading many people to turn up the resistance a bit before it dies, as the coil materials are degrading and not wicking and providing vapor efficiently. I'm not saying you should do that, but I've gotten to the point when I can pretty much tell if a coil is nearing the end of its useful life, due to less vapor production, or more uneven vapor production, and I don't tend to fill my tank up to the tippy top once I get there, as I know "burnt" which typically includes all eliquid once that happens, is just a few puffs away, so I keep my tank level lower until it dies.

Anna

 

[Baditude]

I didn't realize that Sig's were weak hitting mods in general.

Segelei is just notorious for over-rating the total output of many of their mods. In the video review that I posted in the second post of this thread, the reviewer called out Segelei for doing so. Instead of a total of 200 watts, he found its total output was only 155 watts.

As I said, I have the Segelei Fuschai 213 Plus. It hits less hard than my RX200 and my JAC Vapour at the same wattage setting. It doesn't matter a lot to me, as I generally only vape at 30 watts; when using the Segelei I often will increase the wattage to 40 watts for the same vape experience.