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[Automaton]

i would listen to mistressnomad...

I wouldn't.

 

[irwink]

Thing is, modding anything else is optional. If I mod my carts, they might perform a little better, hold more liquid, and waste less.

But if I don't mod them, they still vape well. I don't find myself needing to mod them out of necessity, just to get a good drag out of them.

With CE's, I do. Everyone does. They just don't work well as-is.

And with cartomizers, while mods do exist, very few people use them. Why?

The entire point of cartomizers is to be no-hassle. That is the reason they exist.

So what we have in a CE2, is a cartomizer that defeats the entire point of a cartomizer. Not only that, it's a "no-filler" cartomizer that almost requires filler to work well. They're selling them with strips of fiber now, so you can put filler in them. Seriously?

I understand it's a beta product. But they sell it to people as though it's actually usable for your average vaper, and it's NOT. It's only usable for someone who wants to fiddle with it as much as they vape it. And those kinds of people are not the same kinds who like cartomizers.

I possess the technical ability to make these little contradictions work - but I don't want to. Why should I have to?

It's a fledgling industry, but like I said, I have never felt like I needed to mod a cartomizer (or a cart, for that matter) just to get it to work. And if I did, no one would be surprised if I chose not to buy from them anymore. In fact, most people would probably follow suit.

We expect the things we buy from any other supplier to work. And they deliver. "Fledgling industry" or not, cartomizers, as a rule, work. Why are CE2's exempt?

A product that doesn't work as delivered, is not a real product. It's a rip-off, or a Lego kit, depending on how you want to look at it. And if these were ordinary carts or cartos, no one would argue that point.

Why is it that there is a small group of people who argue it with the CE2's? Why are the CE2's exempt from the universal law of "something you pay for which doesn't work as advertised is a rip-off?" I don't get it.

I could probably build my own cartomizer from left-over pieces that would work as well, or better. And it would be significantly cheaper. Free, in fact.

Why would I pay for a Lego set I can get for free? And why would I pay for a cartomizer that doesn't do what cartomizers are supposed to do?

We obviously disagree.

I did not buy E2's because of advertising. I bought them based on information gleaned in this forum. I did so knowing they were not perfected but wanting to try them nonetheless. I was able to mod them with little trouble and was totally satisfied with the results. That none of this suits you matters little to me. What matters to me is what makes my pv experience better and the E2's have done that. Others may feel as you do. Others may not.

 

[texastumbleweed]

OP..what do you mean that you have to jump thru hoops to use PayPal? that is a red flag. i use PayPal often when buying things online. it should be simple. i would avoid a company that makes you jump thru hoops to use PayPal. maybe i am misunderstanding something?

 

[humarock]

I hear what your saying. BUT it doesn't HAVE to be costly... You DEFINATLEY have to 'curb' yourself. In one month I have spent about 250 and have broke even now though compared to the analog pricing....so now I will wait another month before i buy anything. Wished I had read on more before buying and just bought my ego's with two 1000 batts and mega hardware and called it a day, but live and learn. (I find myself shopping and then having to do the 'whoa girl').

Doesn't juice have a shelf life? I would think after 6 months it would be a tad weak wouldn't it? I could be wrong. Haven't tried the DIY yet, maybe that will be my next venture, but I was never a good 'measurer' LOL...

 

[Automaton]

We obviously disagree.

I did not buy E2's because of advertising. I bought them based on information gleaned in this forum. I did so knowing they were not perfected but wanting to try them nonetheless. I was able to mod them with little trouble and was totally satisfied with the results. That none of this suits you matters little to me. What matters to me is what makes my pv experience better and the E2's have done that. Others may feel as you do. Others may not.

I do agree with you. It is about what makes you happy.

But I think that to simply say they're great is misleading. What most people take that to mean is "I opened it up, filled it, stuck it on a batt and it's great." What you really mean is "I opened it up, filled it, it didn't work very well, so I modded it, and now it's great."

There's an important difference, there. And that difference is this: When someone reads a simple "they're great," they expect to buy the product and have it be great.

Maybe they decide to mod it, maybe they don't, but like carts, they don't HAVE to. That's what people expect, when you say they're great.

That's not what CE2's are. So feel free to enjoy your vaping experience. But be accurate. Because the difference between those 2 statements is the difference between why you love them, and I hate them.

 

[Hardpack]

These CE2's rev 3-4 are ready for prime time. They are wonderful. Someone is doing a disservice trashing them. They are consistant, don't leak, produce volumes of vapor, are disposably priced. The xl's can last a heavy vaper most of a day. The ONLY downside I"VE found is refilling is a pain. The plastic tip syringe that's included doesn't hold up. Solution, I ordered a blunt tip metal syringe. Try a rev 3-4 and I can't see how you could possibly be dissatisfied. That's MY experience. Nothing to not like.

 

[LowThudd]

FWIW, I agree...to a point w/ the OP. That is kinda what we are here for, helping others to make the best choices for THEMSELF. And unfortunately, most of us like different things in our PVs. There is no way that every newb is going to love the PVs you do, and especially not the juices you like. That is just not a practical idea. There is a learning curve, all we really can do is express our experiences(as you have) with new people, and turn them loose and hope they come back happy.

For me cost is not that much an issue. I was spending between $40-60 a week on TAX FREE cigs, and I already had that amount alloted in my budget. Now I spend between $30-50 a week and I love getting a package of goodies in the middle of the week. That is part of the fun. Taking advantage of the weekly sales and clearence sales. Getting little bits and pieces here and there and adding to my growing collection of PV stuffs.

I didn't start vaping to save money, or even to quit smoking. I bought a kit at 7-11 because I wanted to "smoke" indoors. I found to my surprise that I like it better than smoking, and the health benefits are wonderfull as well. So, I buy most of my stuff from trusted domestic suppliers, I only buy stuff when it's on sale. Granted, I am a bit of a shopoholic/bargain hunter, so that is most likely why it is fun for me. And I have never regretted any of my purchases...well, except for the smokereliefnow disposable that failed early. But it got me through to the next day when my Joye 510 arived, so that was all I needed it for. Just my

 

[CouldBFree]

Another newb here. I've only been vaping for about 10 days and have spent approximately $150 so far including my eGo starter kit. This would be less if I hadn't mistakingly ordered 100% VG dilution and the wrong, very weak flavors. As I have read across the forum there is quite a wide learning curve. But with anything, as long as you do your homework first, you can greatly reduce that curve and save yourself a good amount of money in doing so.

Many have stated that most of the products used here may be coming from outside the US, but I for one would prefer to order from and support US suppliers any day of the week. I may not be able to control what I order originally comes from, but I can control where my money goes.


Off Topic: Is there a MistressNomad stalker group? If so, I'd love to join!

 

[irwink]

I do agree with you. It is about what makes you happy.

But I think that to simply say they're great is misleading. What most people take that to mean is "I opened it up, filled it, stuck it on a batt and it's great." What you really mean is "I opened it up, filled it, it didn't work very well, so I modded it, and now it's great."

There's an important difference, there. And that difference is this: When someone reads a simple "they're great," they expect to buy the product and have it be great.

Maybe they decide to mod it, maybe they don't, but like carts, they don't HAVE to. That's what people expect, when you say they're great.

That's not what CE2's are. So feel free to enjoy your vaping experience. But be accurate. Because the difference between those 2 statements is the difference between why you love them, and I hate them.

That anything may have to be modded to yield satisfactory results to the individaul user almost goes without saying in the pv world as it exists today. To say otherwise to new users is to do them a disservice. No, they DON'T have to mod carts. But how many choose not to once they've learned how to make their experience better? And for the record, I don't believe I have ever lacked accuracy in lauding any pv product. I am here to share my experience and to learn from from the experience of others. I don't pretend to be the font of all knowledge after only a few months of experience.

 

[Hardpack]

From what I understand, they were getting scammed by people using PayPal. They started accepting only bank transfers and western union. Because of requests they are back to using PayPal but you have to be pre approved which amounts to sending them your PayPal info showing how long you've been with PayPal and you have a confirmed address.

 

[Automaton]

That anything may have to be modded to yield satisfactory results to the individaul user almost goes without saying in the pv world as it exists today. To say otherwise to new users is to do them a disservice. No, they DON'T have to mod carts. But how many choose not to once they've learned how to make their experience better? And for the record, I don't believe I have ever lacked accuracy in lauding any pv product. I am here to share my experience and to learn from from the experience of others. I don't pretend to be the font of all knowledge.

I don't mod my carts. Yes, I know they can be better. I really liked a cart with the Fluval mod I got to try. But I'm too lazy. And they work as is. *shrug*

With CE2's, like I said, I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked them, and hadn't modded them. That's not "individual" tastes, if it seems to be a requirement for someone to use the product. It does not work as-is. The fact that nearly everyone who uses them has modded them proves that point.

According to the polls on ECF, a significant chunk (nearly half, if I recall) of cart-users don't mod their carts. It's not required.

EDIT: Here's the poll: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/118955-bit-research-cart-filler-use.html

 

[debb]

..I bought the E2's xl (US seller) ...and I love them...I use them right out of the box...just fill and vape away...I can ptb them...sometimes I do...and most of the time I don't...I don't know the technical aspects of them ...but they work great for me...I am a "just use em to see if you like em" kinda person...so now I am stocking up on them...

 

[Hardpack]

"Doesn't juice have a shelf life?"

I think it is 2 years.

 

[Automaton]

..I bought the E2's xl (US seller) ...and I love them...I use them right out of the box...just fill and vape away...I can ptb them...sometimes I do...and most of the time I don't...I don't know the technical aspects of them ...but they work great for me...I am a "just use em to see if you like em" kinda person...so now I am stocking up on them...

Well, there's one.

What revision are they?

 

[CouldBFree]

From what I understand, they were getting scammed by people using PayPal. They started accepting only bank transfers and western union. Because of requests they are back to using PayPal but you have to be pre approved which amounts to sending them your PayPal info showing how long you've been with PayPal and you have a confirmed address.

Having to send them said information seems a little 'off' to me. If I were ever asked to send that sort of information there would be a red flag flashing before my eyes. If anything they can limit PayPal purchases to only verified users. Whereas any purchases made by verified buyers would be covered by PayPal's merchant security policy. Just because a buyer has had a PayPal account for X number of years, does not mean they are verified and would be safe to deal with.

 

[SimpleSins]

That anything may have to be modded to yield satisfactory results to the individaul user almost goes without saying in the pv world as it exists today. To say otherwise to new users is to do them a disservice. No, they DON'T have to mod carts. But how many choose not to once they've learned how to make their experience better? And for the record, I don't believe I have ever lacked accuracy in lauding any pv product. I am here to share my experience and to learn from from the experience of others. I don't pretend to be the font of all knowledge after only a few months of experience.

There's a difference between may have to and will have to. I have a mod, only because I liked a cheap battery. Other than that, I use cartomizers just the way they come, although I use a drip tip on them for aesthetics. I use carts. I don't modify them and I use them the way they came. I haven't filed down the cone of my Riva nor fiddled with the threads on my eGo.

These are all "good" products that work the way they're supposed to right out of their boxes. Now if the E2 cartos are supposed to leak, taste like paint thinner, and burn juice, then I guess they are "good". If that is not how they're supposed to work, then they're just "salvaged" products.

 

[irwink]

I don't mod my carts. Yes, I know they can be better. I really liked a cart with the Fluval mod I got to try. But I'm too lazy. And they work as is. *shrug*

With CE2's, like I said, I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked them, and hadn't modded them. That's not "individual" tastes, if it seems to be a requirement for someone to use the product. It does not work as-is. The fact that nearly everyone who uses them has modded them proves that point.

According to the polls on ECF, a significant chunk (nearly half, if I recall) of cart-users don't mod their carts. It's not required.

EDIT: Here's the poll: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/polls/118955-bit-research-cart-filler-use.html

Modding a product may or may not be REQUIRED to yield satisfactory or enhanced performance. E2'S do seem to require modding to yield the results I've had. Yet there are others, admittedly in the minority, that have reported otherwise. If you haven't "met" them then perhaps you should travel to the technical threads where they have reported their findings. As far as everyone seemingly having to mod them to yield performance proving a point - what point? I never said otherwise. You had a bad experience. You don't want to have to mod anything to gain a better experience. Fine. Others may. That's my point.

 

[Automaton]

Modding a product may or may not be REQUIRED to yield satisfactory or enhanced performance. E2'S do seem to require modding to yield the results I've had. Yet there are others, admittedly in the minority, that have reported otherwise. If you haven't "met" them then perhaps you should travel to the technical threads where they have reported their findings. As far as everyone seemingly having to mod them to yield performance proving a point - what point? I never said otherwise. You had a bad experience. You don't want to have to mod anything to gain a better experience. Fine. Others may. That's my point.

Nearly half of cart users don't mod their carts. A tiny, tiny minority of old-style cartomizer-users mod their cartos.

By comparison, the overwhelming majority of CE2 users have to mod them just to get them to function. "Function" is different from "perform better." Modding my carts would be making them "perform BETTER." They perform fine now. They could perform better.

CE2's, for the majority of people, don't function UNLESS you mod them.

SimpleSins put it well - it's a "salvaged product."

I'm not out for the "ultimate vaping experience," honestly. If it gives me nicotine reasonably consistently, and produced a half-way decent amount of vapor with a nice throat hit, I'm happy. I am not difficult to please at all. I can totally live with "decent, but not great" performance. It's not that I want super-duper-awesome-sauce out of the box. I know I won't get it - I'm fine with that.

It's that, a lot of the time, they don't *work* out of the box.

I'm not hard to please, but I do like the things I buy to function without me having to perform diagnostics as soon as I've pulled off the packaging.

 

[debb]

Well, there's one.

What revision are they?

I have no clue..lol...just tried em and liked them...could be R2...but I am not positive... sorry..

 

[Sandybeach40]

I have been spending about 20 bucks a week. I vape 15ml a week and get a new atty every 3 weeks even if I don't need one.

ESSENCE ESSENCE ESSENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!