Yeah, I did know about that, because I do try to follow the news reports, but thank you for that link. I've been saving all the helpful news reports because I've been very vocal with our state and federal officials, and every link helps!
Schools telling kids that vaping is worse than smoking
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Yeah, I did know about that, because I do try to follow the news reports, but thank you for that link. I've been saving all the helpful news reports because I've been very vocal with our state and federal officials, and every link helps!
I was really thinking of the customers of the vape shops rather than the shops themselves. The customers are on their FB pages, and some of them must have kids in the same schools. It would be good to have others who are upset about this to join forces with. Since I am 15 hours away, and only get out there once or twice a year, I really need reinforcements!
My niece(8+) and nephew(11+) are too young to "reach" in a discussion UNLESS you've been appointed a status or position above the children. Let me give you an example.
I've studied more than 10 martial arts. Some of them absolutely grueling and tortuous. My niece goes to a McDojo where she does little to nothing and is one belt away from a black belt. I've watched her hop, skip, jump like a frog...do everything but martial arts in the class. I've tried on more than one ocassion to talk to her abt martial arts to show her a few things but she has a mind like a butterfly, and because I've not worn a McDojo outfit...she thinks that "You're trying to be cool... by trying to show me things, and, you're NOT cool." Those were her words. OK, she's 8+, I get it. Leave her alone and in another 8yrs maybe I'll be alive and can show her some things if she is still with it.
What I am trying to get at is, if your grandkids only see you once a month or less, it may be worth your while to just avoid the conversation and not vape around them. Their brains may be just a tad larger than a fruit fly and all you are doing is aggravating yourself.
Now as far as the schools go? Ahhh... good luck with that too.
Cool.
And Like I said Earlier, the 1st thing I would do is wite the School's Principle (cc-ing the School Board) and get a Clarification as to is this the Official School Policy? Or is this the Opinion of an Individual Instructor(s).
If it is the School's Policy than the School Board should be Bombarded with Non-Biased and Non-Agenda Based Scientific Findings.
Or if it an Instructor(s) who are Expressing Non-Scientific/Non-Medical Views onto students, then the Principle and School Board should be made aware of this.
My grandkids are 16, 11, and 9 1/2. They know exactly what I think about vaping and the propaganda. They might not speak up, depending on the circumstances. But, they would certainly run home and tell me exactly who said what. Or bring me a copy of any proof.
Actually, (I'm not just saying this because they are my grandchildren), but they really are above average kids. (Or, at least the older two are, I'm not so sure about the 7 year old). They have very scientific minds, and normally listen to what I have to say because we have intelligent conversations, and do things that most kids aren't at all interested in. I do think that showing that poster and a few other things might make them think a little bit.
I probably shouldn't have had so much to say about some of the other garbage they spout in the schools to them. They are probably thinking I am a rebel or something.
I guess it does depend on how your grandchildren interact with you. Mine visit me, without Mom or Dad around, for approximately 2 weeks in the summer. Along with the occasional trips we take north to them.
All the grandkids think we are the fun grandparents because we actually play with them and have fun with them. Our older grandchildren (14 and 16) still want to visit with us for an extended period. I do believe that they do look up to us. I keep expecting that this year will be the year that the older one doesn't want to come visit anymore. Each year I am very pleasantly surprised when he still does want to come.
I posted this on another thread recently: My grandson and his circle of friends got into the vaping scene for a minute. My daughter let me know that those same kids have since stopped vaping and did not go on to smoke. They went through the fad of vaping and when it was old and they were over it, they just stopped.
If it had been cigs that they experimented on, when they were tired of the 'fad', they would have been hopelessly hooked on cigs and not able to just give them up.
He gets the reason I vape and that it is to keep from smoking again. He has seen the struggle that I had to give up smoking on my many attempts. He also sees the results of better health from vaping that I have been able to show.
I do not hide things from the kids. To me that is a bad example. They will know. They really aren't easily mislead and notice a hell of a lot more than we give them credit for.
All the grandkids think we are the fun grandparents because we actually play with them and have fun with them. Our older grandchildren (14 and 16) still want to visit with us for an extended period. I do believe that they do look up to us. I keep expecting that this year will be the year that the older one doesn't want to come visit anymore. Each year I am very pleasantly surprised when he still does want to come.
I posted this on another thread recently: My grandson and his circle of friends got into the vaping scene for a minute. My daughter let me know that those same kids have since stopped vaping and did not go on to smoke. They went through the fad of vaping and when it was old and they were over it, they just stopped.
If it had been cigs that they experimented on, when they were tired of the 'fad', they would have been hopelessly hooked on cigs and not able to just give them up.
He gets the reason I vape and that it is to keep from smoking again. He has seen the struggle that I had to give up smoking on my many attempts. He also sees the results of better health from vaping that I have been able to show.
I do not hide things from the kids. To me that is a bad example. They will know. They really aren't easily mislead and notice a hell of a lot more than we give them credit for.
My grandkids know exactly what I think about a lot of things (school, government, religion, vaping, gun control, etc.) I'm the one they hang out with when they want to talk.
I love being a grandma and living in the same house as my grandkids!
That's really not a bad thing
Good for you though! Sounds like you have the same type of relationship that I have with my grands.
Realistically, news reports aren't usually very helpful. The media just jumps on every buzz out there for the latest and greatest story; that's their job every single day. And when the news is often bought and paid for by certain "interested" parties, you know what you're hearing is their side of the issue. Just sayin'.
It's usually the links in the reports that I use for ammunition, rather than the reports themselves. Such as the links to the actual RCP and PHE reports. I save the stories as well, because frequently they contain something so well said that it reminds me of a point I want to make that I might have forgotten about otherwise.
As much good as that green flyer does, it does a lot of harm as well, because it doesn't look professional. It just looks like propaganda to the other side. And to be honest. It looks the same to me. Why would you use the color green in it? In the United States, we have a lot going on in the medicinal marijuana realm.
Vaping is no way connected to that, so why link it with a color?
Real data in black and white goes a long way, but only to those who are willing to read it.
I wouldn't even write to the principal. I would write to each member of the School Board and City Council with the Principal's name referenced several times. This, as a concerned citizen. I would just avoid naming the children.
Also, writing a letter to the newspaper editor about closed-minded public servants failing to be open-minded about what is to me a success is helpful.
I think it is part of being a citizen. I vote, I write, and I try to speak well. It is my right and responsibility.
Also, writing a letter to the newspaper editor about closed-minded public servants failing to be open-minded about what is to me a success is helpful.
I think it is part of being a citizen. I vote, I write, and I try to speak well. It is my right and responsibility.
if my kids/grandkids confronted me with such information...
I would look them in the eyes and tell them
people lie when they dont know the truth... and yall have been lied to..
I would look them in the eyes and tell them
people lie when they dont know the truth... and yall have been lied to..
My girl's two oldest grandkids (I'm a pseudo Grandfather/Father I guess..) are 10 & 11 and thankfully they haven't come home with a 'my teacher said..' thing about vaping. Yet. I dread the day they do, and it'll be soon I think. I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. One is going to start 5th grade this year, the other 6th grade. At least I have had plenty of time to gather up the 'real' stuff/info/facts..
If you live near your family and see relatives frequently, and you get along with everyone, you have a great opportunity to shape their future.
I see my niece and nephew about once a month when it is not hockey season, and my brother (COP) is divorced from his wife (COP) that brought down the family after she had an affair with...you guessed it, a COP.
It's a mess. To give this subject matter a proper hearing I probably should write a book.
The topic may be introduced to teachers in a more roundabout way.
In our area(within Canada), teachers have a few days each year called professional development days. They receive additional training these days and have no kids.
My friend is a teacher at one school and has witnessed my vaping and not smoking for over 4 years now. So when the Police officer came to the school on one of these days to teach them about drugs/new developments etc. she let me know the officer touched on vaping as well.
Apparently, as expected, it was not put in a positive way. He was telling them kids vaping 12% nicotine is harmful.
Well duhh, who vapes 120mg/ml liquid without barfing profusely?
She questioned the officer but she would never know the right questions to ask anyways and he, obviously new next to nothing and was only spewing what he was told to spew.
Essentially he told them(hearsay) that the kids would be better off smoking.
So it isn't necessarily school policy or single teachers or even the school boards at fault. Introducing the subject as was done here spreads the liability so thin imo. no-one is responsible and misinformation rules. Cheers.
In our area(within Canada), teachers have a few days each year called professional development days. They receive additional training these days and have no kids.
My friend is a teacher at one school and has witnessed my vaping and not smoking for over 4 years now. So when the Police officer came to the school on one of these days to teach them about drugs/new developments etc. she let me know the officer touched on vaping as well.
Apparently, as expected, it was not put in a positive way. He was telling them kids vaping 12% nicotine is harmful.
Well duhh, who vapes 120mg/ml liquid without barfing profusely?
She questioned the officer but she would never know the right questions to ask anyways and he, obviously new next to nothing and was only spewing what he was told to spew.
Essentially he told them(hearsay) that the kids would be better off smoking.
So it isn't necessarily school policy or single teachers or even the school boards at fault. Introducing the subject as was done here spreads the liability so thin imo. no-one is responsible and misinformation rules. Cheers.
My first inclination has always been to try to educate, rather than be confrontational. The worst problem is how to educate in a place where you don't have any reputation. My grandchildren are honor roll students, who have always gotten good citizenship awards at school, for being helpful, and they do have good reputations with their teachers and other students, but the schools don't know me.
I guess that is part of the reason I was thinking about mentioning this whole thing on the FB pages for the vape shops in Greece, NY, where I know they are teaching these lies in the schools. It might not be a bad idea to start a discussion on how to deal with this nicely, rather than starting out by being confrontational. It could be that parents out there are unaware that they are teaching this.
It's also part of the reason I mentioned it on here. I think that no matter where we live, we need to be vigilant about what they are teaching our kids before they start an anti vaping campaign that rivals the anti smoking one in all of the schools.
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