Second-Hand Vapor and Pets

[Toxu]

Hello everyone!

So I'm gonna get right to the point. Does second-hand vapor have the ability to harm pets, specifically dogs and cats. I know to keep anything containing e-juice completely away from pets, as e-juice can lethally harm pets. But, I'm talking about the vapor that you exhale. When I'm taking lung hits of 24mg e-juice and fogging up my bedroom, I always make my 15 year old roommate, AKA my dog, leave the room.

If anyone has more information on this, or links to articles specifically pertaining to this topic, please do not hesitate to inform me. Thank you all so much!

 

[Kryyptyk]

Second-Hand Vapor?

Is this a joke?

 

[Toxu]

Second-Hand Vapor?

Is this a joke?

*sigh*
I'll tell you a story. I was with one of my friends, at his house. He just ate a big meal, so he pulled out his APV. He was blowing clouds of 24mg nic vapor. After 30 minutes of this, without me vaping at all, I got a contact buzz. No, this isn't a joke.

 

[Toxu]

Second-Hand Vapor?

Is this a joke?

Also, here. This isn't a joke, buddy.

 

[Clark Kent]

It's a good practice to love your pets and take caution in protecting then from harm, however my own opinion of second hand vape is just hogwash. unless the juice has a strong or offensive odor. Your pooch has lived 15 year's you must be doing a good job. And I am sure It's better than second hand smoke.

 

[dragonpuff]

Toxu, as a new vaper I think your question is valid. I appreciate your concern for your pets and your desire to be cautious, as I am also deeply concerned about the welfare of my own.

Your pets will be exposed to whatever nicotine is left in the vapor you exhale. Your lungs absorb about 90% of it, so about the other 10% will remain in the vapor. That is all though, nicotine, PG/VG, and flavorings; no other chemical in e-liquid is present above trace levels. All are safe as inhaled. In fact, the study you cited also shows that secondhand vapor contains only nicotine and no other "toxicants" (I hate that word ).

I wouldn't worry about the effect of very small amounts of nicotine on your pets. Aside from overdoses there is no evidence of ill effects. I would not smoke in the house with my animals, but I have been vaping in the house with them for several months now (two cats and one 50 lb. dog) and I've seen no changes in their behavior or health. I was a heavy smoker so I use 24 mg/mL and vape continuously throughout the day. They are perfectly fine.

As for your "contact buzz," is your usual nicotine level much lower than that? Were you in a small room that wasn't very well ventilated? Were you feeling a little ill that day as well? There are multiple reasons for what you experienced, but personally I would have to see it happen multiple times to make a conclusion there.

Either way, don't worry you sound like a very good pet parent, and your babies will be just fine.

 

[dopamine1]

Also, here. This isn't a joke, buddy.

That article says there's MUCH LESS nicotine in second hand vapor compared to second hand smoke, and people smoke in rooms with pets in them, so the answer to your question is almost certainly no.

 

[Despraci]

Yes you can get somebody else buzzed off second hand vapor, it's not a joke. As well as some people around you might be allergic to base liquids (PG allergy) or flavorings (especially all natural flavorings) and cause them to have allergic reaction or worse anaphylactic shock. There has been reported cases of both, though rare it's very real. Now these are all reports of people having reactions... but if you don't think animals can have allergies too, you be wrong again.

It won't harm the pet, but personally it's just something I wouldn't do to my friends, family, fiancee or four legged child.

 

[HauntedMyst]

My dog leaves the room on his own. He comes back in and out as he pleases but for the most part, he sits outside my door. Doesn't seem to irritate him in anyway (i.e. itching, runny nose, sickness, etc.) but he doesn't want to sit in it.

 

[dragonpuff]

I have a whole apartment with all doors open (except the outside door when it's cold) so there's a lot more space for the vapor to be dispersed in, and that does make a difference. Even so, I still don't think it's any more than a miniscule risk.

Any allergic reaction would manifest within minutes, allergic responses are never delayed (anyone who says otherwise is confusing an allergy with something else) and the effects of one are dramatic. You'd notice right away if your dog's having trouble breathing, swelling or itching like crazy. So if your animal has already been exposed to vapor and has not had a reaction, chances are he won't.

Really I think the anxiety from worrying about something like that is more detrimental than the vapor itself...

 

[Izan]

Yes you can get somebody else buzzed off second hand vapor, it's not a joke.
.

Sorry mate,

Do you get a coffee buzz from hanging out at Starbucks?

Please provide credible proof OR state it is ONLY your OPINION. (no anecdotal evidence please)

FUD is FUD... STOP THE FUD.


cheers
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[Toxu]

Well, first of all, thank you so much to everyone for their kind input. I don't think I'll worry much about my lil' mutt and vapor anymore. However, I was a bit disconcerted by Izan's comment.

Sorry mate,

Do you get a coffee buzz from hanging out at Starbucks?

Please provide credible proof OR state it is ONLY your OPINION. (no anecdotal evidence please)

FUD is FUD... STOP THE FUD.


cheers
I

Izan, whatever Starbucks you go to must vaporize coffee or something, because I'm a bit confused on your claim, and frankly, despite your "Ultra Member" title, can't tell if you're trolling or just chose a really bad metaphor. A person smoking a cigarette will exhale smoke, that can be inhaled by nearby humans and animals. Same thing goes for vapor. Starbucks doesn't vaporize and emit inhalable coffee vapor.

 

[Izan]

Well, first of all, thank you so much to everyone for their kind input. I don't think I'll worry much about my lil' mutt and vapor anymore. However, I was a bit disconcerted by Izan's comment.



Izan, whatever Starbucks you go to must vaporize coffee or something, because I'm a bit confused on your claim, and frankly, despite your "Ultra Member" title, can't tell if you're trolling or just chose a really bad metaphor. A person smoking a cigarette will exhale smoke, that can be inhaled by nearby humans and animals. Same thing goes for vapor. Starbucks doesn't vaporize and emit inhalable coffee vapor.

Sorry,
Please provide information supporting bystander intoxication from secondhand vapor.

I'm not trying to instigate, I believe you feel your opinion is correct.

However, scientific data on the subject WILL quell your concerns.


cheers
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[Scaralouche]

When I first joined this forum, there was a lot of concern about language used and claims made about vaping, as we knew that the enemies of vaping could and probably did scour the ECF looking for any story, any angle to attack us on. The veterans of this forum probably carry on this tradition, since it seems we are always under attack. One of the leaders of the charge against us used a term, even "third hand smoke", referring to residue left by nicotine that supposedly sticks to objects in a room. Balderdash. Any operator of a fog machine at a nightclub/strip club or even a theater knows you have to occasionally wipe down all the surfaces because the fog leaves a residue. Nicotine has nothing to do with it.

So please realize this, before this dialogue devolves further.

I will also add that I vaped 5 years in the same room as my 55 gallon fish tank, filled with African Cichlids. I fogged the room gaming on my XBOX 360 nightly, and if it didnt contaminate the tank and kill the fish, I would have to say it is fine for my two cats who follow me from room to room as well. When I first started vaping, I exhaled a lungful of vapor through my white t shirt and it was still white, no discoloration. I blew a lungful in my orange tabby's face (call me cruel whatever, it was just a test) and he just blinked at me, as if to say ".....and?". You know if it was an irritant he would have lept away, angry. Nonesuch reaction. Safe SAFE SAFE.

/end thread

 

[madpiano]

Actually it is a valid question and you do have to be careful around cats. Not because of the nicotine at all. Cats cannot metabolize fragrance like humans do. They process it in the liver, which can lead to liver damage and other health issues. But this is not restricted to ecigs, also - and even more so - to room fresheners and scented candles. While the smell coming off an ecig is minimal and should be OK, as long as you open windows or doors, scented candles and plug-ins can really do harm to cats.
Dogs are fine though and I have no idea about other pets.

 

[madpiano]

http://articulateanimals.com/blog/2009/10/essential-oils-2/

 

[Scaralouche]

madpiano, is that cats as a whole, or specific breeds?

i only ask this, because my two domestic short hairs are like 7 years old, and doing fine.

 

[Kiwiboo]

Well hell. My feral gone sook Moggy Bob comes TO me when I am vaping and starts purring like a V8 around my second hand vapour. He seems fine. The other three hang out in front of the fire chilling whilst I am vaping in the lounge....I figure its better for him than second hand smoke so....

ETA: I do use dilute Tea tree oil on my cats to clean cuts/scrapes (1 drop on a premoistened cloth)...the article you referenced is specifically citrus, pine and tea tree...in the context of essential oils. I do not vape essential oils.

 

[Noble Gas]

I kind of hate saying anything regarding such a hot button topic, but personally I would make sure a room I vaped in with a pet would have adequate ventilation. Here's how I see it: Even a small amount of nicotine in the air could have consequences on an animal with such a small respiratory system. Nicotine is a stimulant, and a small amount could go a long way in such a small set of lungs. This is just my own opinion, and I don't own any pets. But when I visit my friend who has a very old dog, I sit by the open window when I vape. My choice. Just in case. Because if my friend's dear old dog suddenly died from tachycardia while I was filling the room with vapor, I'd never be able to live with myself.

 

[Scaralouche]

yeah, i just read that article, and i dont see any of those essential oils being pleasurable to vape. Except maybe mint and clove. But i don't think they use essential oils for flavoring. Seems to me it would be overpowering.

btw, isnt catnip a form of mint? thought i heard that before....