Second Hand Vapor

[DetraMental]

ArcaneMolaMola I have never tried 100% vg so I can't answer you as to whether it would bother me as much as the fog machines at a concert once did. I did however try a 20pg/80vg and it was too much on my sinuses, really bothered them which always leads to a headache, I suffer from migraines. Your friend may be absolutely fine with you vaping, you won't know until he/she gets there. Good Luck and Happy vaping!

 

[Uma]

Here are some studies...
Utah Vapers - Clearstream Air Results
IVAQS Project

And of course there is this one...
http://publichealth.drexel.edu/SiteData/docs/ms08/f90349264250e603/ms08.pdf

Fantastic links, DC2, thanks!!

I have gone through all of that info a long time ago and still find info today regarding exhaled vapor. What I am asking about is not numbers and data but actual experiences from individuals.

There are may things that articles say are okay for us, but people's experences will always be different. The Drexel Study as well as the Fraunhofer Wilhelm-Klauditz-Institut Study simply states that all particles are below threshold levels and nothing else. That does not mean it is not a problem for everyone. Thanks.

IRL scenarios? In real life, I'm around real people. People who sweat, belch, burp, pass gas, ... and I am their hero. "Uma!!! Hurry!!! Blow some vapor over this way!!!" I am their breath of fresh air, their walking talking breathing better than Febreeze, air freshener. They love taking a sniff then guessing the flavor. When I am invited over for an evening, they request certain Flavors. (Ouch! I just remembered need to pick up more GVC before Christmas!).
With strangers?? They say are surprised by wonderful it smells, whenever they might catch a whiff. I try not to exhale around strangers, so unless they walk up into MY personal space while I am vaping, they don't get to whiff.
And, yes, some done just that, and yes, they LOVE it. All but ONE lady.
They are happy for me, for being SMOKE free. They are happy for themselves for being fart smell hidden. It's a win win.

Be yourself, and follow the guidance of your guest. Your guest, if they have any respect or manners, will guide you, not boss you. "Hey, that's an okay flavor but I like the one you vaped earlier better"....

 

[ArcaneMolaMola]

ArcaneMolaMola I have never tried 100% vg so I can't answer you as to whether it would bother me as much as the fog machines at a concert once did. I did however try a 20pg/80vg and it was too much on my sinuses, really bothered them which always leads to a headache, I suffer from migraines. Your friend may be absolutely fine with you vaping, you won't know until he/she gets there. Good Luck and Happy Vaping!

Cool, thank for letting me know. I think that should be that. Thanks everyone.

 

[damthisisfun]

I have wondering about this myself. If only a small percentage of nicotine gets absorbed by us - it would be reasonable to believe most of it gets exhaled out in the vapor. Depending on the size of the room, ventilation etc, it seems possible for other persons in the same room to absorb some of this nicotine. I think the one post I read here was someone was vaping in a car and the passenger felt nauseous. It could have been the PG or the flavor - coulda been nico too -

 

[wv2win]

I have gone through all of that info a long time ago and still find info today regarding exhaled vapor. What I am asking about is not numbers and data but actual experiences from individuals.

There are may things that articles say are okay for us, but people's experences will always be different. The Drexel Study as well as the Fraunhofer Wilhelm-Klauditz-Institut Study simply states that all particles are below threshold levels and nothing else. That does not mean it is not a problem for everyone. Thanks.

So then you are asking if we have experience with how a thousand different flavors of eliquid might effect any one person in particular? Because the base elements in vapor are not harmful to those in the general vicinity. And I am not sure how a random experience with someone, say in Alaska, will apply.

 

[wv2win]

I have wondering about this myself. If only a small percentage of nicotine gets absorbed by us - it would be reasonable to believe most of it gets exhaled out in the vapor. Depending on the size of the room, ventilation etc, it seems possible for other persons in the same room to absorb some of this nicotine. I think the one post I read here was someone was vaping in a car and the passenger felt nauseous. It could have been the PG or the flavor - coulda been nico too -

Several studies have shown that there is virtually no nicotine in exhaled vapor. Where you are getting that it is not absorbed by those who vape?

 

[Harlen]

Let you gust know that you will work with them and if any thing bothers them you will adjust to make them feel at home .
Best wishes

 

[ArcaneMolaMola]

So then you are asking if we have experience with how a thousand different flavors of eliquid might effect any one person in particular? Because the base elements in vapor are not harmful to those in the general vicinity. And I am not sure how a random experience with someone, say in Alaska, will apply.

"base elements in vapor are not harmful to those in the general vicinity"

That is not entirely true. Low levels of PG in the air has been implicated in good (reduces illness) and bad (allergies, asthma) things.

"And I am not sure how a random experience with someone, say in Alaska, will apply."

Frankly, just asking out of curiousity. Plus, as there are no long term studies yet, I don't see how a random experience in Alaska would be considered insignificant.

 

[ArcaneMolaMola]

Several studies have shown that there is virtually no nicotine in exhaled vapor. Where you are getting that it is not absorbed by those who vape?

Actually, he said this:

"If only a small percentage of nicotine gets absorbed by us".

I have seen a paper or two regarding this where nicotine from e-liquid is not absorbed as much as tobacco itself. I have also heard some say that VG more specifically decreases throat hit due to the fact that it reduces the amount of nicotone absorbed. Needless to say I have also heard VG mutes the flavor for the same reason.

As for the exhaled vapor, even if there was a little nic in it, technically, it should be okay. However, hotboxing a car with an e-cig would be an entirely different story as some people are more sensitive to certain things than others. Happy Vaping.

 

[DC2]

I have wondering about this myself. If only a small percentage of nicotine gets absorbed by us - it would be reasonable to believe most of it gets exhaled out in the vapor.

Then this thread is for you...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...312547-nicotine-absorption-contradiction.html

Pay special attention to the posts by Rolygate.
It's mostly a bunch of random speculation until he starts chiming in.

 

[wv2win]

"base elements in vapor are not harmful to those in the general vicinity"

That is not entirely true. Low levels of PG in the air has been implicated in good (reduces illness) and bad (allergies, asthma) things.

"And I am not sure how a random experience with someone, say in Alaska, will apply."

Frankly, just asking out of curiousity. Plus, as there are no long term studies yet, I don't see how a random experience in Alaska would be considered insignificant.

Funny you mentioned asthma inhalers as PG was used in asthma inhalers for years. I would be willing to bet money that your friend has a much higher statistical probability of being hit by a car than being harmed even in the slightest way from exhaled vapor.

 

[wv2win]

Actually, he said this:

"If only a small percentage of nicotine gets absorbed by us".

I have seen a paper or two regarding this where nicotine from e-liquid is not absorbed as much as tobacco itself. I have also heard some say that VG more specifically decreases throat hit due to the fact that it reduces the amount of nicotone absorbed. Needless to say I have also heard VG mutes the flavor for the same reason.

As for the exhaled vapor, even if there was a little nic in it, technically, it should be okay. However, hotboxing a car with an e-cig would be an entirely different story as some people are more sensitive to certain things than others. Happy Vaping.

Some people should just live in a bubble and avoid all human contact. That will eliminate any possibility of doing anything that could possibly be perceived as bothering someone else.

 

[Uma]

Then this thread is for you...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...312547-nicotine-absorption-contradiction.html

Pay special attention to the posts by Rolygate.
It's mostly a bunch of random speculation until he starts chiming in.

Yet another great link. Thanks DC2!!

 

[ArcaneMolaMola]

Funny you mentioned asthma inhalers as PG was used in asthma inhalers for years. I would be willing to bet money that your friend has a much higher statistical probability of being hit by a car than being harmed even in the slightest way from exhaled vapor.

Yes, but again that is where the individual experience comes into play again. Inhalers are not the only form of medication for asthma, this gives more options for people as certain forms of medication makes certain people feel horrible. As for statistical probability, I can agree with that. I was just curious, that all.

 

[ArcaneMolaMola]

Some people should just live in a bubble and avoid all human contact. That will eliminate any possibility of doing anything that could possibly be perceived as bothering someone else.

I will keep that in mind! Thanks!

 

[damthisisfun]

Several studies have shown that there is virtually no nicotine in exhaled vapor. Where you are getting that it is not absorbed by those who vape?

I cant quote you any studies - but I can am pretty sure I have read posts here (some of which were possibly quoting facts from a study) that only a small percentage of nicotine from the vapor we inhale gets absorbed. It that true? It it is - then my question is where does the rest of it go?

Edit - should have read your next post abt rolygate - interesting. Thanks.

 

[stevegmu]

I cant quote you any studies - but I can am pretty sure I have read posts here (some of which were possibly quoting facts from a study) that only a small percentage of nicotine from the vapor we inhale gets absorbed. It that true? It it is - then my question is where does the rest of it go?

It almost instantly disappears into the atmosphere given its very short half-life when vaporized, or gnomes.

 

[Caridwen]

Yes, but again that is where the individual experience comes into play again. Inhalers are not the only form of medication for asthma, this gives more options for people as certain forms of medication makes certain people feel horrible. As for statistical probability, I can agree with that. I was just curious, that all.

You're asking for anecdotal evidence and frankly, that isn't that reliable.

Someone can say their wife gags when they vape cherry. How much validity can you really give that? Any number of things could be going on.

Plus, people tend to blame every little sign or symptom on something new that they're doing. We have people posting about swollen ankles, sore elbow's or gas due to vaping. Is any of it really related to vaping? Probably not, but who knows.

You can read or try posting in the Health section but if you want to be completely inoffensive around guests (although I hardly think the odor from vaping is much different than a scented candle), vape unflavored or in another room.

 

[ArcaneMolaMola]

You're asking for anecdotal evidence and frankly, that isn't that reliable.

Someone can say their wife gags when they vape cherry. How much validity can you really give that? Any number of things could be going on.

Plus, people tend to blame every little sign or symptom on something new that they're doing. We have people posting about swollen ankles, sore elbow's or gas due to vaping. Is any of it really related to vaping? Probably not, but who knows.

You can read or try posting in the Health section but if you want to be completely inoffensive around guests (although I hardly think the odor from vaping is much different than a scented candle), vape unflavored or in another room.

Well, it seems like my question was not well worded in my case. I did not mean to start debating articles and studies. I was thinking about the exhaled vapor and decided to ask the ECF community for their experiences, that is all. I never meant to use the answers as evidence to come to a solid conclusion of what I was going to do. I sincerely apologize for this misunderstanding.

Next time, I will post in the health section. My apologies to all.

 

[LeftHandBlack]

My Mom who is allergic to numerous things has noticed a tightening in her throat area (which happens when she has allergic reactions to many things) when I vape around her. Other than that none of my family and friends seem to complain and are glad to see me not stinking like I did when I smoked. If someone is bothered I have no issues whatsoever moving away from them. Its just not me to make anyone uncomfortable.