Secondhand smoke is harmless
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that was it - ty! i recall you there - with the same widely spaced legs we all love!
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Say what?!
i think it was the hallowe'en change you still have. New flamingo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmPxwFeji_A
I ofc look ugly all the time - but it takes practice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmPxwFeji_A
I ofc look ugly all the time - but it takes practice.
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OMG, that is hilarious! I walk more like a bulldog, but thanks.
I had a bloodier flamingo for Halloween. Time to find a Santa hat for this one.Still laughing at that video. Thanks, I really needed the laugh.
<< only a part-time saint.
I'm usually told off in October and banned by Xmas, must be losing my touch!
I can see the appeal of women that walk like bulldogs, if you're a bulldog, but those poor dogs have to inhale SHS and that's just unfair - an 1885 study showed they were not able to manage that on consecutive days. American bulldogs said they could handle it if they no longer paid taxes. British bulldogs said 'whatever'. Spanish ones just looked dopey and 'que?'
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I'm usually told off in October and banned by Xmas, must be losing my touch!
I can see the appeal of women that walk like bulldogs, if you're a bulldog, but those poor dogs have to inhale SHS and that's just unfair - an 1885 study showed they were not able to manage that on consecutive days. American bulldogs said they could handle it if they no longer paid taxes. British bulldogs said 'whatever'. Spanish ones just looked dopey and 'que?'
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You are forgetting one elemental point. The government makes huge profits from Tobacco sales. So it stands to reason that they will and do lie to us about vaping.. It is cutting into their profits.
Furthermore, You never heard me say that I beleved vaping is 100% harmless. I do think it is less harmful than breathing in the smog in LA and less harmful than smoking.
You do not need to attack me by saying that I believe everythng I hear. You do not know me. Knowing that second hand smoke is harmful has nothing to do with believing everything I hear. It has to do with beleiving what I see.
I'm not touching that with a 100' pole, no way. Off to hang with the Spanish bulldogs.
Aaah turkey, stuffing, green been casserole, pumpkin pie, and upon finding this thread, popcorn and my favorite grain based beverage.
I heard that secondhand nuclear radiation causes you to grow a third eye... and become spiderman...
i will not correct your rampant typos, any of you, i tired of that some time ago - but if you can present any evidence at all that vaping is as dangerous as SHS, or even any evidence of that, i'll be all ears.
{45000 people that died since 1996 - do me a favour pal!]
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Not sure if it's been covered in this thread but the whole Second Hand Smoke arguement brought on my the FDA was completely debunked by congress in a court of law.
Smoking is bad. We all know this. But second hand smoke is so dilluted, it would take hours in a Smokey barroom to breathe in the toxins rom a single cigarette.
As vapers, we should know better than anybody just how easy it is for lobbyists and the federal government to demonize something.
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epa.html
As a non smoker, will I die earlier now because of second hand smoke even though my cigarette exposure has been cut back by 99.9%?
Smoking is bad. We all know this. But second hand smoke is so dilluted, it would take hours in a Smokey barroom to breathe in the toxins rom a single cigarette.
As vapers, we should know better than anybody just how easy it is for lobbyists and the federal government to demonize something.
http://www.davehitt.com/facts/epa.html
As a non smoker, will I die earlier now because of second hand smoke even though my cigarette exposure has been cut back by 99.9%?
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I wasn't trying to direct attack you (luck of the draw I quoted you so apologies for that) I'm attacking the mindset of people who are willing to believe anything without proof.
Smoking kills...OK that's been proven
SHS is dangerous.......Well it looks bad so that must be true, doesn't follow you need facts to make these statements and there is nothing, I'll say that again because it's important. There is NO EVIDENCE THAT SHS IS DANGEROUS, now that doesn't mean that it's safe but it does mean that every Government in the world that put in smoking bans because it was safer for the population was lying to us and manipulating us for there own reasons.
And that reason is money. Plain and simple. Demonizing smoking to the point where even non smokers are in danger makes it much easier to get the general public to vote in new laws and taxes.
As soon as the FDA can fabricate a report on second hand vape, were in big trouble as well.
They already did that way back in 2009 during the Smoking Everywhere vs FDA case.
Their press release was the original source of all the "anti-freeze" and "carcinogens" garbage...
FDA and Public Health Experts Warn About Electronic Cigarettes
Here is a breakdown of the "anti-freeze" angle...
Do E-Cigarette Contain Antifreeze? | E-Cigarette Reviews and Rankings
And here is a breakdown of the "carcinogens" angle...
Comparison of Carcinogen Levels Shows that Electronic Cigarettes are Much Safer Than Conventional Ones
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It is very hard to come up with any definite evidence with all other factors at play. The 'better scientist' you are, the less likely you are to blame any health issues on a singular cause. And the less likely you are to use words like "evidence" - and sway more towards rhetorics like "our research indicate..."
It is easy to play the devils advocate and demand that the opposition prove a negative. Look into statistics gathered on the spouses of heavy smokers and make up your own mind.
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Smoking hasn't been "stopped", and neither will vaping.
Let's say you are 100% right and second hand smoke is as safe as breathing air straight off of a sequoia. What then?
No, I don't see the point of this discussion here.
Second hand smoke does negatively affect many people, ei: coughing, irritated eyes ....etc, (that's my case). Smokers should be sent to the smoker's corner outside and away from 'normal' people. I don't want to breathe their smoke period.
I also think that anyone vaping should not be doing it in enclosed public spaces or in cars when other non vaping individuals are present. We must respect other people and not put them at risk just because WE want to lower the risk of smoking by vaping.
.... and for those who vape e-liquids with diketones, even after all the warnings of the potential irreversible damage to their lung, well they should be sent back to the smoker's corner.
I also think that anyone vaping should not be doing it in enclosed public spaces or in cars when other non vaping individuals are present. We must respect other people and not put them at risk just because WE want to lower the risk of smoking by vaping.
.... and for those who vape e-liquids with diketones, even after all the warnings of the potential irreversible damage to their lung, well they should be sent back to the smoker's corner.
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The whole second-hand smoke thing is very relevant here.
They are using the same tactics to demonize vaping that they used to demonize smoking...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger
Those efforts to demonize smoking for the last 30-plus years led to a world of brainwashed anti-smokers who will believe anything.
And yet, large portions of those brainwashing efforts were (and continue to be) nothing more than lies for profit.
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