Semovar and Provari would apparently share the same failing.

[wv2win]

It appears that this new APV was either tested by or had the electronics provided by Evolv who made the Darwin. They are definitely top notch. I am also interested. Does anyone know the cost?

I just read in another thread that it's $550. If that is correct, that's way over my budget. I'm sure it is "top of the line" and I like that it is VW not VV and has the three buttons. But can't justify that cost factor.

 

[wv2win]

I already have a vamo, and was considering an innokin svd... When I thought to myself that it just might be time to splurge a bit. Then I started looking at the options...

To get the great build quality, you seem to have to sacrifice actual functionality/usability and pay several times as much for the inconvenience.

It just seems logical that the higher end items would in the very least be as easy to use as the lower end ones, and simply be built better... The natural expectation would be a more elegant design, such as a saved memory for what you have set the voltage/wattage at in the past for a given resistance.

One shouldn't have to wonder if they would be able to spend as much time vaping as coding their mod to do what they want.

I've been considering the SVD, also. I just want to make sure the 510 connector threads are not too soft.

 

[jimbill]

I can't afford that price either i would love to own one though i'll just stick with my Sigelei-20W.

 

[Rossum]

There is an actual purpose behind having a single button. Even mods with multiple buttons require some kind of ritual to get them to do anything.

No they don't. Pick a DNA mod. You press the fire button to fire. You press the Up or Dn button (or move the rocker switch in the desired direction) to change the power level. There's nothing else to do because the screen always shows the battery's state-of-charge, your power setting, and your atomizer's resistance. It also shows the voltage at which it's firing when you're actually firing it. This is totally intuitive and you don't need any "instructions" whatsoever.

I have a Semovar, it takes a few days for the menu to become intuitive.

Uh, no. Something that takes a few days to memorize is almost by definition not "intuitive".

 

[jimbill]

MY fire button broke on my svd and i seen a lot of problems here on the forums about that fire button thank god i had my trusty vamo.

 

[jimbill]

No they don't. Pick a DNA mod. You press the fire button to fire. You press the Up or Dn button (or move the rocker switch in the desired direction) to change the power level. There's nothing else to do because the screen always shows the battery's state-of-charge, your power setting, and your atomizer's resistance. It also shows the voltage at which it's firing when you're actually firing it. This is totally intuitive and you don't need any "instructions" whatsoever.


Uh, no. Something that takes a few days to memorize is almost by definition not "intuitive".

I have to agree with you there the dna has all the info right on the screen that's why i like the sx200 and sx350 chips.

 

[chrisz]

I have no clue but you could get verified and check the classifieds here you might get lucky.

What does it take to be verified?

 

[jimbill]

Here you go easy to do.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-news/283955-how-become-verified-member.html

 

[p.opus]

While I appreciate the multi-button operation that I have on my MVP, I also can appreciate that every button, dial, or other movable part, it is a part that is another point of failure for the device.

The ProVari or SemoVar have one such point of failure. Other devices have more.

As far as one button UI's I find the ProVari and Semovar to be the most intuitive.

Since I don't adjust my devices much, then I really don't find it a big issue. And with a electronic reed switch rated for 5,000,000 presses, then 500 presses a day still gives me 27.39 years of use.

 

[Mutescream]

I just read in another thread that it's $550. If that is correct, that's way over my budget. I'm sure it is "top of the line" and I like that it is VW not VV and has the three buttons. But can't justify that cost factor.

That would be the titanium version. According to pbusardo, there's a stainless version that's $350. For those prices, I expect the dna30 chip to be in it. I'll prob start saving for the stainless version, and hope they come out with a dna30 version in the meantime.

 

[Pamailman]

I can't walk out of the house without forgetting something. Every night I go to work I turn around for my coffee, mod or something. But after 2 days I had the Semovar menu down pat and haven't had a problem. And don't forget that the Semovar is suppose to release a mech button in the near future.

 

[Coldrake]

No one. There's a reason everyone who wants what you described buys a provari. Your next best option is going to be a box mod but as you said you don't want one of those there are no other options at this time.

Sorry, but you are wrong.

Who out there makes an awesome tube style multi button mod that I could hammer nails with (and not break), has vv and/or vw, has a kick .... warranty and customer svc?

I agree with the OP. One button, scrolling through a menu just to change your wattage makes no sense. I would also like to find what the OP is looking for.

NexGen Futura DNA 30

Built like a tank, (Ballistic grade Aluminum, Surgical/Marine Grade Stainless steel) takes 18350, 18500 and 18650 batteries, adjustable center pin, reverse battery protection, 22 mm diameter top cap, built, sourced and made in the USA, 1 year warranty, etc.

Like seemingly all DNA 30 mods, it can take a while to get one. They should be taking orders again in a few weeks.

The ProVari button has just never been an issue for me. I actually have not owned a mod with a 2-button menu system, but from what I see in videos and from others who own them, that system seems like more to remember.

Actually there's much less to remember.

There is an actual purpose behind having a single button. Even mods with multiple buttons require some kind of ritual to get them to do anything.

I have to respectfully disagree with you. I see it as just the opposite.

With a DNA 20/30, you can check the battery, ohms, wattage and voltage with a single click. How many clicks does it take to check all of those on a single button mod?

With a DNA 20/30 you don't have to click the button several times, wait, then click again to adjust the power, you just click the button.

Plus, I don't need to learn error codes, the DNA just tells me. (Too Hot, Weak Battery, Shorted, etc).

 

[smacuser]

You don't have to use the mouse that comes with a mac, I modded mine with a dual button roller ball.

 

[e-pipeman]

Well, I think we've all come a long way since cig-a-likes and tiny cartridges.

I use Vamos and an MVP v2 - love them. Very easy multi-button menu system - truly intuitive to use.

I also use Egos - press and go.

I suppose I cannot see the point in investing too much hard-earned in devices that are evolving and improving on an almost daily basis. The claim that something lasts forever is quite chilling - I want continuous improvement. Imho.

 

[suspectK]

Dna futura.

37, ph0n3 h0m3.

 

[Mutescream]

Well, I think we've all come a long way since cig-a-likes and tiny cartridges.

I use Vamos and an MVP v2 - love them. Very easy multi-button menu system - truly intuitive to use.

I also use Egos - press and go.

I suppose I cannot see the point in investing too much hard-earned in devices that are evolving and improving on an almost daily basis. The claim that something lasts forever is quite chilling - I want continuous improvement. Imho.

Oh, don't get me wrong... I believe in evolving tech, too... However, if this is going to be something I'm going to be doing indefinitely... And the future availability (legality) of which is questionable (along with the potential for onerous taxes)... I want something that looks good (for going out), will last long enough to potentially be replaced or maybe indefinitely in absence of replacement availability.

I still have situations where I use an ego, but there are also times I want something more. The vamo is a decent intermediate device (and one I will use for as long as it still does its thing), but my next one will be something I can show off too.

 

[herb]

The Ecig market and especially the mod manufacturers have brilliantly suckered countless ex analog users into a never ending process , new devices will continue to be released and (just my opinion) most it seems love to look good and will always spend on these devices when just a few years ago many of us just wanted to quit because of our health.

I certainly can't speak for anyone else but for me personally , I do not want to be reliant on Nicotine for the rest of my life , this is why I will not pursue the latest and greatest , it's just a never ending process .

Give me something that works and something that currently satisfies my needs, don't care how pretty it is , don't give a damn what others think either , I'm trying to beat Nicotine not win a look at me , check out my collection contest , again just my opinion.

 

[brickfollett]

Personally, the Provari menu system doesn't slow me down a bit. I don't even notice it anymore, I can almost operate it without looking at it.

However, I understand the frustration with a single button design. It put me off a little bit at first.

Zen has an incredible DNA 30 mod called the ZNA. Extremely difficult to get your hands on as of right now, but the quality seems to be exactly on par with the Provari. Great buttons, 3 button design, and the appearance of it wants me to make filthy comments about its lusty look haha.

They go for about $350 or so

 

[Mutescream]

Give me something that works and something that currently satisfies my needs, don't care how pretty it is , don't give a damn what others think either , I'm trying to beat Nicotine not win a look at me , check out my collection contest , again just my opinion.

That's fine... I'm hoping to start tapering down my nic level in the fall, and see where it goes. In the meantime, I'm facing two things here that impact my decision. The first is that I dig gadgets. Which means that if I'm going to save up for something, it needs to last and be pretty nifty to begin with. However well built the provari and semovar may be... They are a bit out of date in the UI department. The other factor is that I'm single, which means that it needs to kind of not look any weirder than it has to (maybe even look nice).

 

[PLANofMAN]

That's fine... I'm hoping to start tapering down my nic level in the fall, and see where it goes. In the meantime, I'm facing two things here that impact my decision. The first is that I dig gadgets. Which means that if I'm going to save up for something, it needs to last and be pretty nifty to begin with. However well built the provari and semovar may be... They are a bit out of date in the UI department. The other factor is that I'm single, which means that it needs to kind of not look any weirder than it has to (maybe even look nice).

Did you even look at the ZNA? It's not for me, I'm happy with my ProVari, but the ZNA does fit all of the criteria you were listing. The ProtoVapor is the only other VW mod I've seen that seems to approach the ProVari/Semovar for reliability, built like a tank, etc.

Edit: but you do have to keep that e-juice off of the OLED screen. If you can't do that ('cause it will fry the screen), you might as well keep looking.