FDA Sen Johnson (R-Wis) demands answers from FDA RE deeming

[TheMike21]

We should distance ourselves from the word "cigarette". And what if a manufacturer brews his nicotine from the other sources? If someone did an eggplant extracted nicotine juice, then how could this fall under FDA rule? Of course, not to mention nic-free juice.

Unfortunately it's a little late to kill the term e-cigarette from the public's mind. And in terms of synthetic or eggplant nic. (even if it was affordable) they would deem it a pharma product (Nicotine being a drug) and I understand that would be worse.

The whole idea when the PMTA was created was to stop tobacco manufacturers from launching new products. It's like a test you are not supposed to pass.

 

[Yiana]

Dan, just to update this thread, the original demand needed to be answered by the 31 May. FDA thumbed their nose. Yesterday vaping 360 reported the Sen sent a follow up ultimatum here…

Sen. Johnson Demands Answers From the FDA...Again - Vaping360

Good luck all.

I just read that letter, it's spot on. Not only about small businesses, but about public health and it would raise the number of people going back to tobacco and the people who still need a way to get off tobacco.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I just read that letter, it's spot on. Not only about small businesses, but about public health and it would raise the number of people going back to tobacco and the people who still need a way to get off tobacco.

Hope to God they stay with it. Let's give all the support we can. It's going to take some effort for Congress to look favorably upon us as a constituency but I am the optimimist we can make that happen.

Good luck.

 

[Kent C]

I just read that letter, it's spot on. Not only about small businesses, but about public health and it would raise the number of people going back to tobacco and the people who still need a way to get off tobacco.

I mentioned both points in my email to the committee. I also pointed out that the adult smoking population leveled off to 22-24% for about a decade before the ecigarette boom. That figure began to drop @2010 and now it's at 15.1% which under normal conditions would be considered a 'miracle' by the FDA and the CDC - yet it had nothing to do with their favorite NRT's which have people back smoking after 6 months.

And that 22-24% represented what Zeller calls the "hard core smokers" - those who even he said would most benefit from ecigarettes. These are the people that tried everything, including NRT's and still continued to smoke until they found ecigarettes. And that the stringent requirements for PMTA's on our vendors would result in a de facto or virtual ban of all ecigs, which would result in that number going back to the 22-24% level, since, again - these are the hard core smokers that the taxes restrictions and demonizations didn't affect, and where NRT's were not effective.

I also pointed out that many in the vaping community agree that vapor/smoke is @50% of the habit, which is why ecigs are effective in smoking cessation, while eliminating the truly health problems of the smoke, tar and other factors involved in using combustible tobacco cigarettes.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I mentioned both points in my email to the committee. I also pointed out that the adult smoking population leveled off to 22-24% for about a decade before the ecigarette boom. That figure began to drop @2010 and now it's at 15.1% which under normal conditions would be considered a 'miracle' by the FDA and the CDC - yet it had nothing to do with their favorite NRT's which have people back smoking after 6 months.

And that 22-24% represented what Zeller calls the "hard core smokers" - those who even he said would most benefit from ecigarettes. These are the people that tried everything, including NRT's and still continued to smoke until they found ecigarettes. And that the stringent requirements for PMTA's on our vendors would result in a de facto or virtual ban of all ecigs, which would result in that number going back to the 22-24% level, since, again - these are the hard core smokers that the taxes restrictions and demonizations didn't affect, and where NRT's were not effective.

I also pointed out that many in the vaping community agree that vapor/smoke is @50% of the habit, which is why ecigs are effective in smoking cessation, while eliminating the truly health problems of the smoke, tar and other factors involved in using combustible tobacco cigarettes.

That is an excellent point K. That roughly 8% includes me who actually enjoyed the habituation not the dependency. I'm doomed as at risk. But for many a return to smoking will seem the path of least resistance in the face of the FDA's antagonism. As for those who can't, who needs us? We don't even figure in the equation. And many represent the greatest cost to public health.

Good luck.

 

[Lessifer]

I mentioned both points in my email to the committee. I also pointed out that the adult smoking population leveled off to 22-24% for about a decade before the ecigarette boom. That figure began to drop @2010 and now it's at 15.1% which under normal conditions would be considered a 'miracle' by the FDA and the CDC - yet it had nothing to do with their favorite NRT's which have people back smoking after 6 months.

And that 22-24% represented what Zeller calls the "hard core smokers" - those who even he said would most benefit from ecigarettes. These are the people that tried everything, including NRT's and still continued to smoke until they found ecigarettes. And that the stringent requirements for PMTA's on our vendors would result in a de facto or virtual ban of all ecigs, which would result in that number going back to the 22-24% level, since, again - these are the hard core smokers that the taxes restrictions and demonizations didn't affect, and where NRT's were not effective.

I also pointed out that many in the vaping community agree that vapor/smoke is @50% of the habit, which is why ecigs are effective in smoking cessation, while eliminating the truly health problems of the smoke, tar and other factors involved in using combustible tobacco cigarettes.

I fully expect future statistics to be reported as "Adult Tobacco Product Consumers" as opposed to "Adult Smokers" that way they can include vapers, and their funding won't be in jeopardy.

 

[Kent C]

That is an excellent point K. That roughly 8% includes me who actually enjoyed the habituation not the dependency. I'm doomed as at risk. But for many a return to smoking will seem the path of least resistance in the face of the FDA's antagonism. As for those who can't, who needs us? We don't even figure in the equation. And many represent the greatest cost to public health.

Good luck.

Thanks. I could have included the fact that 'experimenting teens' would now have one less 'safe' alternative :- ) And those are the ones that maintain that 23% level.

 

[Kent C]

I fully expect future statistics to be reported as "Adult Tobacco Product Consumers" as opposed to "Adult Smokers" that way they can include vapers, and their funding won't be in jeopardy.

Someone else mentioned that elsewhere - my comment was that they'd have to deal with the reduction in the 'smoking death' stat :- ) ...and adjust that as well.

 

[Lessifer]

Someone else mentioned that elsewhere - my comment was that they'd have to deal with the reduction in the 'smoking death' stat :- ) ...and adjust that as well.

Well, as the effects of vaping are still unknown, isn't any vaper's death a vaping related death?

joking

sort of

 

[BreSha6869]

Well, as the effects of vaping are still unknown, isn't any vaper's death a vaping related death?

joking

sort of

Like getting hit by a meteor with a vape mod in your pocket?

 

[Kent C]

Well, as the effects of vaping are still unknown, isn't any vaper's death a vaping related death?

joking

sort of

Hence my ".... and adjust that as well." ...which was the same 'afterthought' as yours.

 

[zoiDman]

Like getting hit by a meteor with a vape mod in your pocket?

According to the FDA Deeming Rule set, if an e-Cigarette user gets Hit by a Meteor, then the Meteor is a "Tobacco Product".

 

[Lessifer]

According to the FDA Deeming Rule set, if an e-Cigarette user gets Hit by a Meteor, then the Meteor is a "Tobacco Product".

There is insufficient data, so until proven otherwise we will cautiously assume that vaping leads to meteor strikes.

 

[zoiDman]

There is insufficient data, so until proven otherwise we will cautiously assume that vaping leads to meteor strikes.

I heard that the FDA wanted to Ban Meteors. But the Whitehouse line itemed that out.

 

[Kent C]

According to the FDA Deeming Rule set, if an e-Cigarette user gets Hit by a Meteor, then the Meteor is a "Tobacco Product".

 

[Buckeyevapen]

Unfortunately it has become clear that vaping and their use of flavors is increasing the number of children being targeted by meteors. NASA did not return calls for comment.

 

[Rickajho]

There is insufficient data, so until proven otherwise we will cautiously assume that vaping leads to meteor strikes.

Insufficiently obfuscated:

"There is insufficient data, so until proven otherwise we will cautiously assume that vaping leads may lead to meteor strikes."

 

[sonicdsl]

Unfortunately it has become clear that vaping and their use of flavors is increasing the number of children being targeted by meteors. NASA did not return calls for comment.

Due to this new evidence, NASA now falls under the purview of the FDA.

 

[ENAUD]

Soooo, who here is going to quit vaping because the FDA doesn't want us to ?

 

[Katya]

I mentioned both points in my email to the committee. I also pointed out that the adult smoking population leveled off to 22-24% for about a decade before the ecigarette boom. That figure began to drop @2010 and now it's at 15.1% which under normal conditions would be considered a 'miracle' by the FDA and the CDC - yet it had nothing to do with their favorite NRT's which have people back smoking after 6 months.

And that 22-24% represented what Zeller calls the "hard core smokers" - those who even he said would most benefit from ecigarettes. These are the people that tried everything, including NRT's and still continued to smoke until they found ecigarettes. And that the stringent requirements for PMTA's on our vendors would result in a de facto or virtual ban of all ecigs, which would result in that number going back to the 22-24% level, since, again - these are the hard core smokers that the taxes restrictions and demonizations didn't affect, and where NRT's were not effective.

I also pointed out that many in the vaping community agree that vapor/smoke is @50% of the habit, which is why ecigs are effective in smoking cessation, while eliminating the truly health problems of the smoke, tar and other factors involved in using combustible tobacco cigarettes.

And speaking of emails--would you (and others, please) share you letters with other vapers who might need an inspiration?

Much obliged.

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