Actually, DP, I'm suggesting there is no difference at all.
FDA Sen Johnson (R-Wis) demands answers from FDA RE deeming
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Yes, of course - and sorry to confuse.... I was just joking with the statement. I agree, of course - there's no difference at all.
There was nothing in the actual article even mentioning govt "subsidizing" the ecig industry. Unless the wiping out of small business to hand the business to BT was what they referred to?Yep, but unfortunately the site's admin seems to have it completely ACSH-backwards here...Casualties in the Opioid Abuse War, How Government May be Subsidizing E-Cigarettes, and More ACSH Media Links | American Council on Science and Health.
There is hardly anything settled or foreseeable beyond more monopoly consolidation by gov on the horizon and e-cigs subsidizing government (not the other way around). Right tho about…a whole lot of small companies soon to be wiped out of business…Sad.
Good luck.
That article linked to another with this infuriating verbiage:
In the U.S., the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released the 2015 National Youth tobacco Survey, which states the number of middle and high school students using e-cigarettes tripled between 2013 and 2014.
However, the survey has its critics. For example, the American Council on Science and Health takes issue with the agency’s interpretation of data, especially in light of the fact that the report also reveals conventional tobacco use among teens showed no increase."
In fact that teen survey reported an unprecedented historic 33% decline in the teen smoking rate in just 2 years, from 15.7% to 10.8%. That no one is willing to acknowledge, even in that obscure industry rag, because that would put the lie to the idea of a gateway into smoking. There is no escape from Orwell.
The author's optimistic gist is that we were all idiots to attempt to foster this market as consumers and makers without knowing what regulation might eventually be...and now real progress may commence apace, legitimately advanced by those who weren't so damned stupid!
Perhaps there is some truth to the oxymoron. But hey, what do I know?
Good luck.
So here we are, 2 weeks (I believe) past Sen. Johnson's latest deadline. Anyone have any news/updates to share on this?
Wonder if this has anything to with it? :https://democrats.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/2016-Senate-Calendar.jpg
Well, he's the one who set the date. Also, does recess mean they're not working at all, or that they're not expected to be in DC for voting and committee functions?
OK, I just got of the phone with an aid in Senator Ron Johnson's DC office at:
DC Address: The Honorable Ron Johnson
United States Senate
328 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-4905
DC Phone: 202-224-5323
DC Fax: 202-228-6965
I asked her if there was any new information on the FDA response to the second letter he sent on June 6 that demanded FDA respond by 5:00pm June 20. She put me on hold, came back on a couple minutes later and she said that there are 'Talks in Progress on how to proceed, since the FDA has not yet responded to the Senators second request.' She reiterated that 'There are definitely 'Talks in progress, on taking the next steps, now that the FDA is not responding to his second request'.
I thanked her for the information and told her I was a stakeholder, in that I'm part of the e-cigarette community as a former smoker of 37 years who quit with ecigs. I again said that I and many others in the e-cigarette community are very, very appreciative of the Senators efforts in getting clarity from the FDA regarding their deeming regulations on ecigs. She said she would certainly relay that info to the Senator.
So.... She definitely confirmed the FDA DID NOT REPLY to Senator Johnson's second letter. It should be quite interesting to see what happens next.
DC Address: The Honorable Ron Johnson
United States Senate
328 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510-4905
DC Phone: 202-224-5323
DC Fax: 202-228-6965
I asked her if there was any new information on the FDA response to the second letter he sent on June 6 that demanded FDA respond by 5:00pm June 20. She put me on hold, came back on a couple minutes later and she said that there are 'Talks in Progress on how to proceed, since the FDA has not yet responded to the Senators second request.' She reiterated that 'There are definitely 'Talks in progress, on taking the next steps, now that the FDA is not responding to his second request'.
I thanked her for the information and told her I was a stakeholder, in that I'm part of the e-cigarette community as a former smoker of 37 years who quit with ecigs. I again said that I and many others in the e-cigarette community are very, very appreciative of the Senators efforts in getting clarity from the FDA regarding their deeming regulations on ecigs. She said she would certainly relay that info to the Senator.
So.... She definitely confirmed the FDA DID NOT REPLY to Senator Johnson's second letter. It should be quite interesting to see what happens next.
You're Welcome. I just got tired of checking this forum, Senator's twitter and google search day after day and seeing no info. I was like, what the heck, I'll call the guy. Probably wouldn't hurt if other people called and emailed to let him know there is public support for his actions.
Thanks rwoodin! I've been checking twice a day on google - 24 hour time frame - nothing. Don't do twitter and email to him from Ohio is complicated :- )
Yeah, no problem. I rarely make actual calls to legislators. The aid I was talking with was very personable, and the inflection in her tone after coming back on clearly implied 'you can bet this is a hot item that is getting the Senators full attention'. I felt like I was Woodward and Bernstein for a couple minutes after I got off the phone.. A real scoop! lol. It's a public number so maybe there have already been many calls and many people are aware of this. It was news to me.
Good to finally know something! Thank you for taking that step to get the information we were awaiting!
And good idea for others of us to call, just to add support and encouragement, and greater knowledge of the greatest of the stakeholders out here (the consumers/former smokers).
Interesting follow up here:
Ron Johnson pursues radio talker's vaping cause
If you think that including articles in your letters to your Representatives and Senators may help our cause, you may be right. If you think it's not worth including the links - think again:
"Johnson's staff said The Wall Street Journal opinion piece on vaping that caught the senator's attention was by Michael B. Siegel of the Boston University School of Public Health and head of the nonprofit Center for Public Accountability in Tobacco Control."
"McKenna (Vicki - host of the radio show with Sen. Johnson) offered to provide contact information for Siegel to combat "the appalling disinformation peddled about" e-cigs."
Ron Johnson pursues radio talker's vaping cause
If you think that including articles in your letters to your Representatives and Senators may help our cause, you may be right. If you think it's not worth including the links - think again:
"Johnson's staff said The Wall Street Journal opinion piece on vaping that caught the senator's attention was by Michael B. Siegel of the Boston University School of Public Health and head of the nonprofit Center for Public Accountability in Tobacco Control."
"McKenna (Vicki - host of the radio show with Sen. Johnson) offered to provide contact information for Siegel to combat "the appalling disinformation peddled about" e-cigs."
This is the kind of thing I've been saying for years...
We should not be in this alone.
There are so many people who love and care about a smoker.
They need to be brought in to this fight with us.
And that can only be done by educating everyone around us.
Which is why I cringe every time someone says they don't bother.
In that article it is noted that in 2007 Stanton Glantz had this to say about Dr. Michael Siegel...
Remember what I've been posting for YEARS now...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger
Yeah.... I (we) have just the opposite view of course. I've been critical of Siegel for his 'past performance' as basically the 'right hand man' of Glantz. But he's changed as the information/view on nicotine has changed toward harm reduction, something that Glantz is truly blind to.
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