FDA Sen Johnson (R-Wis) demands answers from FDA RE deeming

[Simply Red]

This is Disturbing Also...

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Don't like the Reiteration that what the FDA has done is Only the "Beginning".

And this Concept that the FDA has to Regulate something before it can Understand it harkins back to a Quote that I will Never forget.

Hence the term "foundational". To build on.

 

[zoiDman]

Hence the term "foundational". To build on.

Bingo!

 

[Kent C]

Don't like the Reiteration that what the FDA has done is Only the "Beginning".

And this Concept that the FDA has to Regulate something before it can Understand it harkins back to a Quote that I will Never forget.

Deeming Regulations have been released!!!!

"(red font) - Sounds a bit like Pelosi's comment on obamacare - "we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

And another reference that 'this is just the beginning' ... sigh..."

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah... As Mentioned. That is a Quote from a Politician that I Don't think I will Ever Forget.

 

[Buster282]

nom nom nom nom.... cough cough.. a kernel got stuck in my throat..

See! I could've died! Eating popcorn is more dangerous than vaping!

(meant to post this two pages ago, oh well)

 

[MacTechVpr]

nom nom nom nom.... cough cough.. a kernel got stuck in my throat..

See! I could've died! Eating popcorn is more dangerous than vaping!

(meant to post this two pages ago, oh well)

That's alright B, I'm 60 pgs behind on the deeming thread.

(On account of you can't reset the last page read tag. Is there a mod in the room? How can we expect folks to keep up and activism if they're gonna lose track the minute they try and participate to answer? Just a thought. What do I know?)

Good luck.

p.s. And cut that out! Popcorn is for kids.

 

[Teach]

Got to admit Mac.... when I get that far behind I mark the forum as read and then pick up with the next new post - I always intend to go back and catch up, but as you can guess that seldom happens.

 

[OldBatty]

That's alright B, I'm 60 pgs behind on the deeming thread.

You must mean that giant one in General? I gave up on it when it quit being a sticky and showing in all sub forums. Mostly stay in "Electronic Cigarette News and Campaigning" unless I'm researching a problem or bored Hard to keep up even here sometimes.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Well, that's my beef with xenforo. It's good and fast for its simplicity. If you're running an entertainment forum, no biggie. If you want the convo to be participatory (activist, multi-tasking) you've got to parse replies, thread them so you can return to the branch and see where it headed off to. Otherwise, when things get hot and the convo starts reeling out of control you lose people…and the whole point to the thread. A natural division of effort (based on interest) or the potential for it is lost. You end up with a lot of spin-off threads and collaboration is gone along with coherent direction. Still, I'd love to see a user last read reset.

Good luck all.

 

[Truthdog]

Did I join a thread about threads?

 

[Downgraded286]

I just wrote the guy:

Mr. Johnson, first off I'd like to say I'm writing to you, even though, as you can see, I'm not even a resident of the state you serve.

With that out of the way, I just want to let you know I'm writing to you to show you my support for your actions regarding the FDA e-cigarette regulations. Their regulations are not only unreasonable, or even impossible for vaping businesses, but are also totally unfounded.

So, from an OHIO resident, THANK YOU for standing up for vapers everywhere!

 

[zoiDman]

I just wrote the guy:

Mr. Johnson, first off I'd like to say I'm writing to you, even though, as you can see, I'm not even a resident of the state you serve.

With that out of the way, I just want to let you know I'm writing to you to show you my support for your actions regarding the FDA e-cigarette regulations. Their regulations are not only unreasonable, or even impossible for vaping businesses, but are also totally unfounded.

So, from an OHIO resident, THANK YOU for standing up for vapers everywhere!

Right On Downgraded286.

 

[Downgraded286]

I keep trying to comment on change.org, but it always says something like 'we couldn't post your comment, please try again'. Not sure what's up with that. I tried to post...

My fiancee and I both quit smoking on 2/4/2015, the day she got off of an intubation ventilator after being on it for nine days. We haven't touched a cigarette since then, thanks to vaping.

I respect everybody's right to do what they want. If you want to smoke, go smoke. If you're somebody who vapes who hasn't smoked cigarettes, go vape. For many vapers, however, vaping has replaced smoking. We've replaced smoking with a healthier, cheaper, and arguably more enjoyable alternative.

These regulations seem as if they were designed to prohibit vaping. The cost to file a single PMTA alone is well in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the cost of applying for juice is absolutely abhorrent, nevermind the devices (that's your tanks, batteries, etc). Who could put up the money to submit that many applications?

Honestly, I think this is a plot constructed by Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and the government. Millions have already made the switch from smoking to vaping. What happens to BT, BP and the government when that happens? BT loses money, because they aren't buying cigarettes. BP loses money, because the people who didn't buy cigarettes aren't getting sick from smoking. The government loses money, because the people who didn't buy cigarettes are not paying for the taxes associated with buying said cigarettes and/or other products (such as nicotine pouches) which were supposedly made to help smokers quit.

Vaping has made some of the biggest wallets in the world a lot lighter by offering an effective alternative for millions of people, and the carriers of said wallets don't like that. They don't really care about our health. They can say whatever they want to make it sound good, but if you think about it a little bit and follow the money trail, you'll soon realize that what I, and many others suspect, is quite likely the ugly truth underneath all the crap they're spewing in order to justify it.

Just think, millions have made the switch. Millions have embraced vaping as a healthier life choice, nevermind the cheaper cost and the amazing selection available to us at this point in time. And, millions are angry. Leave it alone!

 

[retired1]

(On account of you can't reset the last page read tag. Is there a mod in the room? How can we expect folks to keep up and activism if they're gonna lose track the minute they try and participate to answer? Just a thought. What do I know?)

Every time you go into the thread, it's reset. If you're wanting to save a spot that's not at the end of the thread, bookmark it.

 

[Steelgirl]

I keep trying to comment on change.org, but it always says something like 'we couldn't post your comment, please try again'. Not sure what's up with that. I tried to post...

My fiancee and I both quit smoking on 2/4/2015, the day she got off of an intubation ventilator after being on it for nine days. We haven't touched a cigarette since then, thanks to vaping.

I respect everybody's right to do what they want. If you want to smoke, go smoke. If you're somebody who vapes who hasn't smoked cigarettes, go vape. For many vapers, however, vaping has replaced smoking. We've replaced smoking with a healthier, cheaper, and arguably more enjoyable alternative.

These regulations seem as if they were designed to prohibit vaping. The cost to file a single PMTA alone is well in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the cost of applying for juice is absolutely abhorrent, nevermind the devices (that's your tanks, batteries, etc). Who could put up the money to submit that many applications?

Honestly, I think this is a plot constructed by Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and the government. Millions have already made the switch from smoking to vaping. What happens to BT, BP and the government when that happens? BT loses money, because they aren't buying cigarettes. BP loses money, because the people who didn't buy cigarettes aren't getting sick from smoking. The government loses money, because the people who didn't buy cigarettes are not paying for the taxes associated with buying said cigarettes and/or other products (such as nicotine pouches) which were supposedly made to help smokers quit.

Vaping has made some of the biggest wallets in the world a lot lighter by offering an effective alternative for millions of people, and the carriers of said wallets don't like that. They don't really care about our health. They can say whatever they want to make it sound good, but if you think about it a little bit and follow the money trail, you'll soon realize that what I, and many others suspect, is quite likely the ugly truth underneath all the crap they're spewing in order to justify it.

Just think, millions have made the switch. Millions have embraced vaping as a healthier life choice, nevermind the cheaper cost and the amazing selection available to us at this point in time. And, millions are angry. Leave it alone!

Excellent post !

 

[MacTechVpr]

Every time you go into the thread, it's reset. If you're wanting to save a spot that's not at the end of the thread, bookmark it.

Do that, a good suggestion. Problem is, the memory's feeble r1. And the longer the thread, the deeper the holes.

Thx for the comeback. Good luck.

 

[Truthdog]

I keep trying to comment on change.org, but it always says something like 'we couldn't post your comment, please try again'. Not sure what's up with that. I tried to post...

My fiancee and I both quit smoking on 2/4/2015, the day she got off of an intubation ventilator after being on it for nine days. We haven't touched a cigarette since then, thanks to vaping.

I respect everybody's right to do what they want. If you want to smoke, go smoke. If you're somebody who vapes who hasn't smoked cigarettes, go vape. For many vapers, however, vaping has replaced smoking. We've replaced smoking with a healthier, cheaper, and arguably more enjoyable alternative.

These regulations seem as if they were designed to prohibit vaping. The cost to file a single PMTA alone is well in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and the cost of applying for juice is absolutely abhorrent, nevermind the devices (that's your tanks, batteries, etc). Who could put up the money to submit that many applications?

Honestly, I think this is a plot constructed by Big Tobacco, Big Pharma and the government. Millions have already made the switch from smoking to vaping. What happens to BT, BP and the government when that happens? BT loses money, because they aren't buying cigarettes. BP loses money, because the people who didn't buy cigarettes aren't getting sick from smoking. The government loses money, because the people who didn't buy cigarettes are not paying for the taxes associated with buying said cigarettes and/or other products (such as nicotine pouches) which were supposedly made to help smokers quit.

Vaping has made some of the biggest wallets in the world a lot lighter by offering an effective alternative for millions of people, and the carriers of said wallets don't like that. They don't really care about our health. They can say whatever they want to make it sound good, but if you think about it a little bit and follow the money trail, you'll soon realize that what I, and many others suspect, is quite likely the ugly truth underneath all the crap they're spewing in order to justify it.

Just think, millions have made the switch. Millions have embraced vaping as a healthier life choice, nevermind the cheaper cost and the amazing selection available to us at this point in time. And, millions are angry. Leave it alone!

I know that this is a very widely held belief re what is causing the Prohibitionist approach to Vaping, but it is not really true.

In fact BT is fighting side by side to change the predicate date (2/15/07) with us, and also to allow e liquids and mods to have an easier path to approval.

Our main problem is the Gateway theory being aggressively pushed by Big Public Health (am. Cancer soc., Am Lung, Heart, CFTFK, etc) AND the researchers funded by CDC, FDA, NIH. That is who FDA listens to, and who Dems in Congress believe. They truly believe that through flavored e cigs, new generations of nicotine addicts will be created, and then move to combustibles. Tis belief drives their zero tolerance approach.

Disprove this, and we will be on a much better footing, but that is much easier said than done.

 

[Downgraded286]

Well, I'd tell them to look at the staggering number of smokers who have sucessfully found a way to quit smoking through vaping. And I would argue that it is everybody's individual right to decide whether or not they want to vape or even smoke if that's their choice. It's the year 2016, everybody who picks up a pack of Marlboro Reds ought to understand the associated risks as they light one up.

I'm an adult, and these choices are mine to make. What about the children? What about this 'new generation' of nicotine addicts? Instead of taking everything away from everybody, why don't we form a new generation of proper parenting and common sense? Gee, I sure don't want my five year old getting a hold of my gun. Aww I'll just leave it in the kitchen sink I'm sure everything will be fine.

 

[DC2]

Instead of taking everything away from everybody, why don't we form a new generation of proper parenting and common sense?

Really? And what is "the village" going to do with their spare time?
I can only imagine the various shenanigans they'll get up to.

 

[Lessifer]

Really? And what is "the village" going to do with their spare time?
I can only imagine the various shenanigans they'll get up to.

Imagine if the village volunteered their time to something useful, instead of fighting phantoms? If everyone who participated in letter writing campaigns on behalf of Tobacco Free Kids, etc. instead volunteered at a Boys and Girls club, maybe we'd have that future generation everyone keeps pining after.