Senator/Canadian Government, might be right

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zolo

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Hi all,

I found out about e-cigarettes just today, coincidentaly by reading an article about Canadian government banning these devices. Also a senator in USA is trying to do the similiar thing. By reading forums on this website we can say that most people do not agree with Canadian Government, or the Senator on this issue. I'd like to show to you that they might be right.

Many posters on these forums are owners of e-cigarette shops, they even have their own forums. These people will encourage smokers to switch to e-cigarettes. I am sure they are nice, and all, but the motivation is mainly for profit.

A simple search on youtube for e-cigarettes will bring up dozzens of videos about e-cigarettes. What you can notice is that 90% of those videos are made by various owners of e-cigarette shops. Also you can see how e-cigarettes are portrayed as a new cool thing: beautiful girls smoking e-cigs, business man in full body armour smoking e-cigs, and stylish e-cig packaging. Does this remind you of something? Think 1960's cigarette commercials.

Nicoting is very addictive drug, even if it is smoked in a "healthy" way. This is truth and a fact we can't deny (otherwise you would not be on this board, and reading this article). Now would you like this new cool cigarettes, yet addictive, to get out into real world without restrictings? Damn half the articles I've read, and videos I saw made me want to start smoking, even though I am already a smoker, which really messed around with my head. A healthy way to smoke cigarettes with no side effects, at a fraction of price? WHY NOT!? Think about it!

Internet is very pro e-cigarettes. Do a simple search on google for e-cigarettes and you won't find a single bad thing about them. The only article that said something bad about these was on these forums regarding chemicals used in e-liquid (PG/VG??). Again 90% of this positive content is contributed by e-cig shop owners. I would not like to see this type of hype on tv/radio or even in your local pharmacy, where your teenagers come to buy condoms ( :p).

In perfect world the above is motivation of the governments to step in and stop e-cigarettes from becaming the next thing for teenagers to do. But who knows what is the motivation of THIS Senator/Canadian Government? Money? protecting the current tabacco companies? maybe even genuie interest to help society.

Personally, I am not agains e-cigarettes, I've even ordered a starter kit to give this device a try. Maybe it's just as useless as a nicotine gum, maybe its not. Who knows. I wont be using it to quit nicotine, I just want to have something that feels like cigarette yet does not kill me 10 minutes at a time, 8$ a day (Canadian). I am not sure if this will do the job, but If I can use it for atleast 2 weeks I ll get my money's worth.

I ll end this by saying that this device should not be sold in local kiosks, and it should only be available through pharmacy with perscription. Don't know about internet sales... how many teenagers have a credit card, with $100 to blow? Hopefully these days kids have better ideas on what to do with that kind of money...


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Loogie

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if it were only available through prescriptions, I would still be smoking cigarettes and feeling terrible in general, and about myself. I have been using this device for a mere 2 days now, and I would have went through 2 packs easily by now...I haven't had one since I opened the package to my 901.

I do not sell e-cigs, nor do I wish to. I know what this has done for me, and for you to criticize it without knowing anything about it, and then hypocritically purchase one for what seems to be an entertainment purpose, is absurd and sickening.
 

Rob

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Actually, your post doesn't bother me at all. Your blatant hypocrisy does. You sit here in one breath, and tell us how 'these devices should be regulated and by prescription only' yet the next words from your skull are 'I R ordered mez a starter kit'. This is a big problem with people; they feel that The Government should regulate OUR lives, but NOT their own. If we are ALL so stupid, that we couldn't have figured out the 'hype' from distributors on our own, and come to our own conclusions, I do NOT see how it is possible for you to make that very decision yourself, without ANY research or facts.

Your argument is simply invalid based on your own lack of research and plain laziness...
 

Tobay

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We need a doctor presciption for this? Really?. Now why haven't anyone suggest to our gov't to pass a bill to require prescription on regular analog cigarettes yet is beyond me....While you're at it, put a prescription requirement on potato, tomato....etc, cause they all contain nicotine also.
If you take a little of your time and read a bit more on this forum, there are caution posts about nic content in e-liquid all over this forum.
I think we need prescription to breath soon, cause all the polution in the air can kill people too. Omg!, I need to visit my doctor soon, I might need more prescription...Woot!.
 

Frankie

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We need a doctor presciption for this? Really?. Now why haven't anyone suggest to our gov't to pass a bill to require prescription on regular analog cigarettes yet is beyond me....
Exactly, without irony. Moving tobacco to the prescription drug realm would mean steady supply for the addicted and dramatic decrease in new cases. Unfortunately, it would also mean drastic loss of income for the politicians, and that is the answer why it never happens. They do not want us to stop smoking. They want us to continue, feel guilty and pay whatever they decree. The last politician who really wanted his nation to stop smoking was the old man Schickelgruber´s son. He sort of failed ;)
 

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Stop telling other people what to do Original Poster.

If your lame kid gets hooked on nic and is so scared of you he has to lock himself in the bathroom, hiding his vaping from his daddy and you yell and bang on the door with your fist, he gets a head rush and becomes so dizzy from vaping and being startled at the same time, he falls and hits his head on the toilet, releasing his bowels I DONT CARE

what was I talking about?
 
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Skad

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I'm amazed that they're ok with selling the patch, gum, etc. on store shelves, but somehow balk at e-cigs. Pardon the old fogey-ism here, but when I was a kid we bought packs of smokes out of the vending machine in the local arcade. People smoked while walking around the grocery store. Now smokers have become more reviled then crack addicts, but there are people who want to take a safer alternative off the market? Frankly I blame the government for my nicotine addiction anyway. I tried all the other crap they told me would hook me and I was fine. Who knew they'd be right about nicotine? ;)
 

Monkeylurv

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Not only do I NOT agree with you, but I'd go as far as to say that "Big Tobacco" should supply all of us addicts with free e-cig & supplies for the rest of our lives for hooking us on this stuff.

Was it my fault I picked up a cig for the first time? You bet!

Did my 12 year old "self" know anything about nicotine, and this would hook me for the rest of my life? Big fat no. I knew nothing about nicotine & it's effects. How could I? I was a KID? Just like alot of people when they started. Tobacco mfg's have been upping the anty by injecting extra nicotine into cigarettes to get us even MORE hooked.

They had no business selling an addictive substance that was equivalent to the addiction of crack (some say worse).

I say, you got me where I am today. Now give me a reasonable out. Don't give me some lame patches, gum & lozenges that don't work. And then expect me to pay a ridiculous amt of sin tax on cigarettes because I can't STOP.

OP, you have no idea of the "Business" of Pharma & Tobacco company. This is just another way for Big Pharma or Big Tobacco to patent a device, charge enormous prices, or enormous sin tax on an alternative nicotine device. This is all about $$$. The tobacco companies & nicotine replacement companies are threatened that they'll lose us all.
 

Vicks Vap-oh-Yeah

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I even wonder if a non-smoker 'could' get addicted to vaping....It stands to reason that they must be able to ... but it's an unknown at the moment......would a non-smoker become addicted to nicotine if they stuck a patch on or chewed nicotine gum?


A very difinitive YES! One of the guys I used to work for had a $200.00/month GUM habit - never smoked a cig in his life!
 

surbitonPete

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Not only do I NOT agree with you, but I'd go as far as to say that "Big Tobacco" should supply all of us addicts with free e-cig & supplies for the rest of our lives for hooking us on this stuff.

Was it my fault I picked up a cig for the first time? You bet!

Did my 12 year old "self" know anything about nicotine, and this would hook me for the rest of my life? Big fat no. I knew nothing about nicotine & it's effects. How could I? I was a KID? Just like alot of people when they started. Tobacco mfg's have been upping the anty by injecting extra nicotine into cigarettes to get us even MORE hooked.

They had no business selling an addictive substance that was equivalent to the addiction of crack (some say worse).

hey, you got me where I am today. Now give me a reasonable out. Don't give me some lame patches, gum & lozenges that don't work. And then expect me to pay a ridiculous amt of sin tax on cigarettes because I can't STOP.

OP, you have no idea of the "Business" of Pharma & Tobacco company. This is just another way for Big Pharma or Big Tobacco to patent a device, charge enormous prices, or enormous sin tax on an alternative nicotine device. This is all about $$$. The tobacco companies & nicotine replacement companies are threatened that they'll lose us all.

Hear hear .....well said...:thumbs:
 
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