Why are Governments trying to BAN e-cigs when they are actually helping people!?

[zoiDman]

i think he's a member of nutz...

rotflmao

 

[Cocorosa]

We are paying attention to your posts and we are well versed in the ANTZ's litany of bogus scare tactics. It is why so many of us see a significant similarity in your posts and the tripe spewed out by the ANTZ''s. The shoe fits you well. Act indignant if you like, we aren't buying it.

After half a lifetime of being treated like a plague carrier for being a smoker, it was a breath of fresh air to find a forum like ECF where a happier and more level point of view is on display. This kind of response is sad and destructive, especially given what is at stake at the moment. Fifth column agitation, trying to turn reasonable people away from a reasoned and intelligent discussion, is exactly how opposition groups work from inside an organisation. We need reasoned and intelligent discussion to make good vaping available to everyone, please don't stifle it just because it isn't your point of view.

The only way to defeat the political and societal arguments against vaping is to really understand all viewpoints and be able to defeat them with better ones. This type of attitude will kill that ability in this group.

Now flame me if you want, I'm just someone who wants this to work for lots of other people.

 

[generic mutant]

After half a lifetime of being treated like a plague carrier for being a smoker, it was a breath of fresh air to find a forum like ECF where a happier and more level point of view is on display. This kind of response is sad and destructive, especially given what is at stake at the moment. Fifth column agitation, trying to turn reasonable people away from a reasoned and intelligent discussion, is exactly how opposition groups work from inside an organisation. We need reasoned and intelligent discussion to make good vaping available to everyone, please don't stifle it just because it isn't your point of view.

The only way to defeat the political and societal arguments against vaping is to really understand all viewpoints and be able to defeat them with better ones. This type of attitude will kill that ability in this group.

Now flame me if you want, I'm just someone who wants this to work for lots of other people.

Welcome to the ANTZ! We have cookies!



Sorry, do I sound a bit jaded?

I might be a bit jaded



In all seriousness - good post.

 

[AegisPrime]

Welcome to the ANTZ! We have cookies!



Sorry, do I sound a bit jaded?

I might be a bit jaded



In all seriousness - good post.

Hey GM - found that new report on no link between lung cancer/2nd hand smoke - it's not the one we were discussing earlier in this thread - this was only presented this year - just FYI.

 

[postmister]

The e-cig industry will have to some how pull together, generate massive profits, hire lobbyists to pay off law makers then and only then will we see a shift in opinion.

I would like to volunteer my services to be the person/company who makes a lot of money and hires the Washington lobbyists. Please send your donations to....

 

[Cocorosa]

Welcome to the ANTZ! We have cookies!



Sorry, do I sound a bit jaded?

I might be a bit jaded



In all seriousness - good post.

Thank you :0) I am good for cookies and particularly if they are double choc digestives.

 

[zoiDman]

Yeah... ANTZ Brand Chocolate Chip Cookies are the Best!

 

[generic mutant]

Hey GM - found that new report on no link between lung cancer/2nd hand smoke - it's not the one we were discussing earlier in this thread - this was only presented this year - just FYI.

Yep - even the surgeon general's report (often considered the gold standard in the field, I think) doesn't paint a very clear link between second hand smoke and cancer. Especially among those exposed as children.

But as I said earlier, the real impact is from cardio events.

 

[postmister]

BTW, First timer to the ECF. I was googling some stuff on battery mods and found a post on here. GREAT SITE. I hope to be a regular. I was a 14 year smoker before I started vaping 3 months ago, and have been smoke free since. I've stopped coughing as of late November, ya know, the one that's been with me for 6 years. I breathe easier, and have started jogging again... seriously. My wife hated the smell and everything about smoking, and I was getting embarrassed to smoke in front of my 4 year old, "your breath stinks daddy". She bought me the Iron Man mod and is encouraging me to "keep it up". I really hope for the sake of the nations health, they don't mess with this stuff, but then again they put their fingers in EVERYTHING. I, for one, am a believer that they should wait to legislate on any of this. It doesn't take a health major to figure out you shouldn't play in traffic, nor do I believe you need a doctorate to figure out that water vapor is infinitely safer than a 500 degree ember, three inches from your face. But hey, if common sense was so common, it wouldn't be held in such high regard.

 

[jeff5764]

Great Thread, Big Brother knows best, as usual

 

[zoiDman]

BTW, First timer to the ECF. I was googling some stuff on battery mods and found a post on here. GREAT SITE. I hope to be a regular. I was a 14 year smoker before I started vaping 3 months ago, and have been smoke free since. I've stopped coughing as of late November, ya know, the one that's been with me for 6 years. I breathe easier, and have started jogging again... seriously. My wife hated the smell and everything about smoking, and I was getting embarrassed to smoke in front of my 4 year old, "your breath stinks daddy". She bought me the Iron Man mod and is encouraging me to "keep it up". I really hope for the sake of the nations health, they don't mess with this stuff, but then again they put their fingers in EVERYTHING. I, for one, am a believer that they should wait to legislate on any of this. It doesn't take a health major to figure out you shouldn't play in traffic, nor do I believe you need a doctorate to figure out that water vapor is infinitely safer than a 500 degree ember, three inches from your face. But hey, if common sense was so common, it wouldn't be held in such high regard.

Welcome to the ECF postmister

Good Job on Kicking that 14 Year Addiction.

I'm sure with a 2nd Post like this, you will becomes a "Regular" very quickly.

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

When the scientific community the world over has a general consensus on something, regardless of the country they're from, then I think I'd be safer listening to them then to two guys who were paid by a corporation who has already been proven to lie about the dangers of FIRST hand smoke, let alone second.

Gotta be careful with that consensus thing...otherwise you get hit right upside the head by that "Global Warming" whiffleball bat

Caption:Oh look...global warming!! (I wonder if all that gobbledygook is Russian for USS Al Gore [Or Al Gore wuz here!])

Bet right now those guys are WISHING they had some of that "Case Closed: The Debate About Global Warming is Over." warming right about now

 

[generic mutant]

 

[Uma]

There is in AHA here
ObamaCare and Smokers

Pfizer steps in ... errr, I mean RWF... By donating a million to collect testimonies for obama care site. Interesting.
Families USA Receives $1 Million Grant to Tell Pro-ObamaCare Stories | TIME.com

 

[Uma]

Yep - even the surgeon general's report (often considered the gold standard in the field, I think) doesn't paint a very clear link between second hand smoke and cancer. Especially among those exposed as children.

But as I said earlier, the real impact is from cardio events.

Johnson & Johnson's baby powder was/is a dusting bath of CARCENOGENS. I wonder how many of those babies grew up with lung problems.

 

[Nirk]

Money, simple as that.

 

[billiam]

Hi. My 2 cents says that if they want to tax nicotine they will first have to eat their words for saying they're taxing tobacco because it is bad for you.

 

[Veritas Obscurum]

Hi. My 2 cents says that if they want to tax nicotine they will first have to eat their words for saying they're taxing tobacco because it is bad for you.

Nailed it.

 

[blb078]

Money, simple as that.

That's it plain and simple.

 

[Tcar]

Old thread I know, but this makes for interesting reading. 17 billion in taxes is not exactly chump change.

NY state alone made 1.6 billion in 2011 on cigarette taxes.