Seriously, what does happen to the PV & VG in your lungs???

[Shotglass]

Found some:

"The virtual NONTOXICITY of glycerine as an ingredient in foods and pharmaceuticals has been established through generations of safe use and by supporting data":
(U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Glycerin; AJirrnation of GRAS Status as a Direct Human Food Ingredient, Federal Register, Vol. 48, No. 27, pp. 5759-60)

Also, apparently it comprises about 3% of cigarette and cigar tobacco.

http://www.aciscience.org/docs/glycerine_-_an_overview.pdf

 

[VHRB2014]

I know Iv seen a study that suggested it has restorative abilities due to its antiseptic nature.

Too busy/lazy to find a citation. Perhaps you can find it in the medical subforum?
Health, Safety and Vaping

 

[DC2]

When I use higher VG liquids I get more phlegm the next morning.
So it seems to me that it doesn't all get absorbed by the lungs and excreted below the waist.

But it does get pulled up by the cilia, and then forcibly excreted in napkins, Kleenex, or toilet paper.
But I also have a touch of post-nasal drip, so that sort of compounds the situation.

Also, my cilia are pretty active, since I never really smoked enough to destroy them.

My experience tells me that PG is more readily absorbed by the lungs.
But that's just me, and your mileage may vary.

 

[EJAB]

There sure are a lot of "Web M.D.s" here

 

[The Cloud Minder]

I, ... er, ... ummm, ...

 

[zoiDman]

What are the sources for the above opinions?

This:

You know the rule Shotglass.

If more than 1 Person on a Forum says Something is so, that Overrides Scientific Facts. Or even Common sense sometimes.

 

[DualChamber]

GRAS ingredients and other chatter aside, no one really knows the long term implications of inhaling VG, PG and flavoring agents over the long term. Bottom line is that not vaping is healthier than vaping. Vaping, in the short term, is significantly less harmful than smoking. We all have to make the decision about what we choose to do.

 

[BigEgo]

GRAS ingredients and other chatter aside, no one really knows the long term implications of inhaling VG, PG and flavoring agents over the long term. Bottom line is that not vaping is healthier than vaping. Vaping, in the short term, is significantly less harmful than smoking. We all have to make the decision about what we choose to do.

Bingo. The long term effects are the real question. The studies on PG/VG inhalation that I have read have been acute studies done over days or weeks. My biggest concern, however, are the flavorings. That's where the real study needs to go, imo.

However, I am willing to take my chances over my old 2 PAD habit.

 

[ReigntheGamer]

Slow down guys the internet will break after 20 people misspell soluble with spell checks were nearing the limit already.

 

[Bgibbons123]

Liquids are absorbed by lungs. I do not know about stuff that forms a film on a windshield. I do not know what is it and I have no idea how lungs handle it. Just hope it is a small thing.

I hate the film on the inside of the windshield it's so annoying

 

[Hannypoo]

I'm really sensitive to any toxins, in general. My body lets me know if something in the air or anything I've injested is bad for me. For example, I get an earache if I hang out in a smoky bar, and I get an earache from hell if I smoke. If my city is experiencing an inversion and there's pollution in the air, I get an earache.
I've been vaping for a couple months, and so far my body hasn't rejected it, even though I'm quite a heavy vaper. No earaches, so according to my body, it's alright. Funny thing is that my urine smells like whatever flavor I've vaped all day. Haha! I guess the body knows how to dispose of it properly.

 

[Bgibbons123]

But I'll take it over ashes in my truck anyday

 

[graywoulf]

OK, so I guess tha t I am a bit better informed about the effects on my lungs and it seems that the majority of you all believe the PG & VG is absorbed, processed and excreted. And based it's use in foods, beverages and medicines AND the approval of these uses by the FDA and others then I have to agree with BigEgo then that if I vape a 0 nic liquid then all I need to be concerned if at all about is how the flavoring (if any) in an altered state of being vaporized is being processed in my lungs and other organs. I do realized too that as it was said that "not vaping is better than vaping" and that I do this as a choice then I have to just deal with it. I do have to wonder though as a vaper why there has not been the one definative study done on this subject that sets all concerns about vaping straight once and for all. So many studies from so many groups and government angencies is at the least, confusing. So many of the ECF comunity fighting over our rights to vape and so many others fighting to stop us altogether. Why didn't the powers that be work as hard to ban tobacco products in the first place and especially after the whistle was blown on the addictive additives in cigarettes was made publicly known. I will continue to vape because simply put, I Want To! I thank you all for your input, information and comments. That kind if interaction is why I like being a part of this forum. "Vape and let Vape".

 

[Rat2chat2]

I am personally a bit more concerned with flavorings containing Diacetyl, Acetyl Propionyl and Acetoin and which plastics are safe to store juices in. From everything I have read, PG is a powerful humectant and is used in inhalers. I try to use a 50/50 juice because when I use a higher vg percentage, I have a heaviness in my chest and seem to produce more phlegm. This is just my own observation. I imagine there are days of reading on ecf and google on this very issue.

I had a man that was asking me questions about vaping one night. Very sweet older man smoking unfiltered cigarettes and when I told him it was nothing more than water vapor. . . he thought about it for a minute and came back over to me and asked if I was worried about getting mold in my lungs. Just thought I'd add this story because he was so darn cute and because it made me come home and start googling.

 

[bwh79]

when I told him it was nothing more than water vapor. . .

Why do people keep saying it's "water vapor" when there is little to no water in the e-liquid? Granted, there is some water in the expelled vapor because it gets extracted from your lungs by the hygroscopic PG and VG, but the vapor we are inhaling has little, if any, water in it at all...at least that's the way I understand it...

 

[Alien Traveler]

I do have to wonder though as a vaper why there has not been the one definative study done on this subject that sets all concerns about vaping straight once and for all.

My take:

1. It is very difficult – to produce definitive study. Even long studied things concerning human health are far from definitive. For example – are cholesterol rich foods bad? For years we were told yes, they are bad. Recently we have learned they are not bad at all…

2. Today vaping-related studies are politicized: there are two groups of researchers, one is trying to prove that vaping is very bad; the other one is trying to show that vaping is very much healthy. They are mostly poorly funded and too far from even remotely definitive.

 

[caramel]

I've heard vape dissolves the tar built up in your lungs through smoking and in one year or so you're as good as new

 

[Rickajho]

~> http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-library/177551-pg-vg-peg.html

 

[Racehorse]

What are the sources for the above opinions?

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cussion/660243-god-awful-film-everything.html

been many topics like the above over the years. Cleaning vape stuff off glasses, windshields, computer screens, etc. is obviously not as easy as simply wiping it off with water.

I think that is what alien traveler is referring to.

 

[Racehorse]

My biggest concern, however, are the flavorings. That's where the real study needs to go, imo.

That is why Dr. F. started studying it. But not sure it mattered. He and the chemist that helped w/study, as well as a toxicologist that the certifying org in Canada used, all say that diketons are avoidable risk.

Yet, since the studies came out, it seems like every person on ECF is gobbling up custardy creamy juices with Acetyl Proprianyl etc. in it.

You can lead a horse to water.........

Not sure what good the studies are if people are going to remain in denial about the outcome of the studies.