Should ALL reviews be compared to the Provari?

[JohnDaddyo]

How many 'equal to' devices of the same type are there? I don't mean favorite devices but, devices of the same type. I'm mostly talking about youtube reviews. Once you've said, Provari is the best, shouldn't every review after that be a 'compared to' review? From a reviewer who gets 'paid' in one for or another, (is that a bad thing to say?) I real their career might be cut short but, should there be sort of a disclaimer? I realize not everyone thinks Provari is THE best but, whatever is THE best. It's late. I'm sure my wording isn't the clearest. Hopefully the message is kaelrr? <--huh???

 

[cskent]

I understand what you're saying, and no I don't think every review should be praise for a product that you're not reviewing. That's like comparing a Toyota to a Porche in some cases, and not everyone can or wants to buy a Porche. A piece of equipment should stand on its own merits, or demerits if you want to look at it that way. Judge it for what it is, not what it isn't.

 

[Ref Minor]

There is no single best. I have friends for whom Greensmoke cig-a-likes are the best due to their simplicity and reliability (they also have a 1 year warranty that matches Provape and SvoëMesto). My favourite is a Svoë Mesto Semovar. The two are extremes apart and yet are both the best.

 

[wonner]

If all reviews were against the ProVari, which seems like a logical thing to do, all of the ProVari haters would have to admit that their "is no single best" is bogus.

There is always a best, and in this case, everyone knows what it is.

 

[Ref Minor]

If all reviews were against the ProVari, which seems like a logical thing to do, all of the ProVari haters would have to admit that their "is no single best" is bogus.

There is always a best, and in this case, everyone knows what it is.

Fanboys, can't reason with them, can't bury them in a quiet woodland glade.

 

[SirSteve]

Say I really like the REO, now how on earth can I compare a device that isn't a bottom feeder to that? Or I like mechs, how do I compare VV/VW to those? Or I use rabbit tail fuzz for wicks, no factory topper can match my favorite wicking material. So much about vaping is personal preference, like Ref Minor pointed out.

 

[Zealous]

....uh no. The ones that should be compared to the Provari are those with comparable elements to it. If there are no comparable elements between the 2 then why compare them?

It makes sense to compare the Semovar to the Provari because they are very similar in a lot of aspects. But it also makes sense to compare the MVP to it because there are elements of the MVP that can be compared for performance, etc. On the other hand, it's dumb to compare the Volt to it. There is nothing to compare.

Perhaps the OP is asking WHY everyone compares everything to a Provari. To me it seems obvious. It's a product so many people are familiar with, whether they own one or not. If one knows nothing about a DNA 20 mod for example, it's easy to point out differences by comparing them to a Provari thus giving someone who can't touch one an idea of how they're different.

Or maybe perhaps the OP is asking if we should be measuring a mod's value by comparing it to a provari. In this case, I would have to say no. There are better products for a person who has no intention of vaping long term. why spend that much money on something you'll stop using in a short time. There are better products to buy if you don't want a bigger tube mod. There are better products to buy if you want a bottom feeder. etc.

 

[r77r7r]

Do it like Consumer Reports? Separate categories for price, and only then, ratings for quality, accessories available/costs within those categories.

Their "Best Buy" never seems to be the one in the higher price range, regardless of quality of material, ease of use, and warranty.

 

[cadman]

Is Provari the best mechanical? No.
Is Provari the best bottom feeder? No.
Is Provari the best for sub ohm vaping? No.
Is Provari the smallest mod form? No.
Is Provari variable wattage? No.
Provari as the benchmark for all other devices? No, don't think so.

 

[Baditude]

I personally believe APV's or mods should be compared by their category: tube mods, box mods, bottom feeders, etc. They should also be further compared by regulated (VV/VW) and un-regulated. Otherwise, you are comparing apples to oranges.

Criteria such as features, build quality, attention to detail, aesthetics and function design, performance via bench testing, subjective value vs cost, warranty length, and a manufacturer's customer service/repairability availability should then be compared among their group category.

PBusardo, IMHO, does the best and most in-depth reviews.

 

[JohnDaddyo]

Great replies! I'm sorry but, the one who says NO in all categories just seemed to hate that a lot of people like Provari. IMHO.
I do not own a Provari but, will get one. I call BS as far as calling those who love a proven product Fanboys. That is obviously meant as an insult or, blow off, without considering the facts. BIG YES to compare devices in the same class. I'm sure there are many more reasons but, three huge reasons I hear folks saying is, 1. Customer Service, 2. Built like a tank, 3. Consistent vape.
I have not heard any praises about warranty and customer service with any other devices. Some may have their experiences but, That is not an overwhelming theme. Are you aware, can you believe, that a huge amount of people HATE let's say the Yankees (baseball and USA) because they of their accomplishments??? I'm talking 'mature' adults! I'll bet there are those who hate the fact Provari is made in the USA also. Just for that horrible reason.
There's a connection in there somewhere, however random!!

 

[wonner]

...There's a connection in there somewhere, however random!!

This is the Internet. We let Google handle the connections. (And, the NSA, of course.)

 

[alkaiser]

Great replies! I'm sorry but, the one who says NO in all categories just seemed to hate that a lot of people like Provari. IMHO.
I do not own a Provari but, will get one. I call BS as far as calling those who love a proven product Fanboys. That is obviously meant as an insult or, blow off, without considering the facts. BIG YES to compare devices in the same class. I'm sure there are many more reasons but, three huge reasons I hear folks saying is, 1. Customer Service, 2. Built like a tank, 3. Consistent vape.
I have not heard any praises about warranty and customer service with any other devices. Some may have their experiences but, That is not an overwhelming theme. Are you aware, can you believe, that a huge amount of people HATE let's say the Yankees (baseball and USA) because they of their accomplishments??? I'm talking 'mature' adults! I'll bet there are those who hate the fact Provari is made in the USA also. Just for that horrible reason.
There's a connection in there somewhere, however random!!

if you're referring to cadman's post where he says no to the categories provided, he is absolutely correct in all points.

the only thing provaris should be compared to are variable voltage mods.

 

[KenD]

if you're referring to cadman's post where he says no to the categories provided, he is absolutely correct in all points.

the only thing provaris should be compared to are variable voltage mods.

Exactly, and for some people an itaste vv (or even a twist) might be "better". It's all about what a particular individual needs, and what criteria that person deems most important in making an assessment. I've never even seen a provari in person but I have no doubt that it's a fantastic device (though I can't claim that it's a fantastic device as I haven't used one, and neither should you). Is it best for me though? In my assessment, no. Ordering it here in Europe is ridiculously expensive, more than $300. I prefer to have a device that will not make me treat out my hair if I happen to lose it somewhere (which, with my track record, is likely to happen). The excellent repair service is not of much use for me as shipping the device to the US will be more expensive than buying a new SVD (for example). I also like telescopic devices, ego threading, variable wattage (just my preference, not better or worse), and the design of some other devices better. Based on these assessments the provari is not best for me, even though it is best in many tests.

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[wonner]

...the only thing provaris should be compared to are variable voltage mods.

Total BS. So I can't say that a ProVari is better than an MVP2, even though I have owned both, just because the MVP2 has VW? Whatever.

 

[WillyZee]

IMO ... the sheer volume of Provari fanboy threads and posts is becoming suspect.

 

[Ref Minor]

Great replies! I'm sorry but, the one who says NO in all categories just seemed to hate that a lot of people like Provari. IMHO.
I do not own a Provari but, will get one. I call BS as far as calling those who love a proven product Fanboys. That is obviously meant as an insult or, blow off, without considering the facts. BIG YES to compare devices in the same class. I'm sure there are many more reasons but, three huge reasons I hear folks saying is, 1. Customer Service, 2. Built like a tank, 3. Consistent vape.
I have not heard any praises about warranty and customer service with any other devices. Some may have their experiences but, That is not an overwhelming theme. Are you aware, can you believe, that a huge amount of people HATE let's say the Yankees (baseball and USA) because they of their accomplishments??? I'm talking 'mature' adults! I'll bet there are those who hate the fact Provari is made in the USA also. Just for that horrible reason.
There's a connection in there somewhere, however random!!

So the man who hasn't tried a Provari believes all those who do not believe the Provari is the best option for everyone to be haters. Looks like you made your mind up before you posted your question.

 

[alkaiser]

Total BS. So I can't say that a ProVari is better than an MVP2, even though I have owned both, just because the MVP2 has VW? Whatever.

when going into variable wattage territory, you have to also start factoring in other VW devices such as the duke.

is the provari capable of providing a 50 watt vape?

you reach different types of consistency between VV and VW, and some people prefer 1 or the other.

 

[NiNi]

So put up a poll, already! Obviously it would be for people who have or did have a ProVari, and with all things considered (vv, vw, warranty, construction, etc.), would they buy another or something else? And if you've never owned or extensively used a ProVari, you really don't have anything to bring to the table.

~Just my opinion~

 

[Asbestos4004]

I own several provaris. Several because I really like them. Should all others be compared to them? Absolutely not. If I had 50 bucks to spend on a mod, the last thing I'd want to hear is how bad it sucked compared to a provari. PBusardo does great reviews. My favorite, in fact. But they're long enough without adding a ",compared to the provari" segment. I like me REO but I couldn't begin to compare it other than to say they're both great. The whole thing seems pretty weird. The Semovar is probably better ....in 3 years, if they're still working, we'll know. I'm betting they will.