So far as anyone I've spoken to can tell, there's no mention on alibaba that lrider is selling the stainless. I also heard from another vendor who was talking to his lrider rep, asking for an order of the stainless steel lavas, and he was told in no uncertain terms that that the only silver models available were the silver powdercoat one (rather light silver color) and the chrome, which is fabricated in copper with a chrome plating. So I think what everyone is realizing is that the stainless ones that apollo is (supposedly) getting, and the ones all of us have had on backorder forever and a day, is something that lrider is doing exclusively for apollo, and perhaps just for this one order... was 500 units, but now apollo site says 1000. My guess is that they tried out the stainless, but production costs are too high to justify making them available for other vendors. Again, only a guess, but I've been following it pretty closely. So with that in mind, I'd be surprised if they showed up on alibaba, just cause they're not trying to get other large vendor orders of them; and seem to be not accepting orders for the stainless from other vendors, based on the info above. I know other vendors are expecting the silver powdercoat (like discountvapers, for instance... amazing vendor, great support, great prices. I think they're expecting the silver ones this week), and the chrome. But if you're dying for the stainless, I'd say apollo is your only choice at this point. Hope that helps!