Shut down @ 'The Rendevous' west MI
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Technically, you were, by the very definition of the word smoking. Their sign said no smoking. It didn't say no smoking cigarettes, did it?
Yes, all e-juice- save for 0-nic, is a tobacco product, as the nicotine in it is derived from tobacco. There is no e-juice on the market that has nicotine in it that is not a tobacco product. There probably never will be.
Myself personally, I don't vape anywhere that smoking is not allowed...not because I feel the two are similar enough to one another to be treated the same way, but because non-smokers do.
Yes, dipping or chewing is fairly disgusting - particularly when a clear container is being used to spit in so everyone can see the brown, viscous spittle. However, non-smokers are far more receptive to the idea that his tobacco and his spit are contained. There's no smoke or vapor lingering around and no smell, unless you are sitting in very close proximity to the person and can smell it coming from his makeshift spittoon. Vaping looks identical to smoking, and that's all that really matters to the non-smoker. They see the inhale and exhale of a cloud that looks not dissimilar from a cloud of cigarette smoke and immediately think negative thoughts about secondhand smoke and cancer and that blather. It's just a simple act of courtesy to ask if vaping is allowed in their establishment beforehand and if it is not, then tip your hat and go elsewhere.
If we aren't empathetic and courteous about our vaping, then the non-smoking/vaping community sure isn't about to be either when it pushes for regulations and bans on it. Just my thoughts on it...
Yes, dipping or chewing is fairly disgusting - particularly when a clear container is being used to spit in so everyone can see the brown, viscous spittle. However, non-smokers are far more receptive to the idea that his tobacco and his spit are contained. There's no smoke or vapor lingering around and no smell, unless you are sitting in very close proximity to the person and can smell it coming from his makeshift spittoon. Vaping looks identical to smoking, and that's all that really matters to the non-smoker. They see the inhale and exhale of a cloud that looks not dissimilar from a cloud of cigarette smoke and immediately think negative thoughts about secondhand smoke and cancer and that blather. It's just a simple act of courtesy to ask if vaping is allowed in their establishment beforehand and if it is not, then tip your hat and go elsewhere.
If we aren't empathetic and courteous about our vaping, then the non-smoking/vaping community sure isn't about to be either when it pushes for regulations and bans on it. Just my thoughts on it...
WHAT!? Dude that's so wrong are you even vaping? Nicotine liquids?
I think trying to force the issue like that is totally wrong. If the sign says no smoking then don't vape either. Smoking vs.vaping, the difference to the non smoker is just semantics. To the non smoker there is no difference and forcing the issue will bring much negative exposure to this wonderful thing we have. Just a noobs 2 cents
I sort of agree - but I don't. Civility is sorely lacking in society today. But the answer to everything isn't just trying to be invisible. If there is no pro vaping voice then we get what we deserve - no vaping. Anywhere. So we can either stand up - politely - and point out what is not wrong with vaping. Or just stay silent and let the ANTZ nut jobs tell us what they think is wrong with vaping and pass laws against it accordingly. Restaurants, apartments, work places, 20 feet within any building with a door on it... If no one vapes in public then it doesn't exist. So I guess none of us will then have a problem if we can't get e-cig anything any more. Because the slant will be we shouldn't have been doing it any place to begin with and we let "them" get away with it.
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Logic... good for what ails you.I sort of agree - but I don't. Civility is sorely lacking in society today. But the answer to everything isn't just trying to be invisible. If there is no pro vaping voice then we get what we deserve - no vaping. Anywhere. So we can either stand up - politely - and point out what is not wrong with vaping. Or just stay silent and let the ANTZ nut jobs tell us what they think is wrong with vaping and pass laws against it accordingly. Restaurants, apartments, work places, 20 feet withing any building with a door on it... If no one vapes in public then it doesn't exist. So I guess none of us will then have a problem if we can't get e-cig anything any more. Because the slant will be we shouldn't have been doing it any place to begin with and we let "them" get away with it.
I sort of agree - but I don't. Civility is sorely lacking in society today. But the answer to everything isn't just trying to be invisible. If there is no pro vaping voice then we get what we deserve - no vaping. Anywhere. So we can either stand up - politely - and point out what is not wrong with vaping. Or just stay silent and let the ANTZ nut jobs tell us what they think is wrong with vaping and pass laws against it accordingly. Restaurants, apartments, work places, 20 feet withing any building with a door on it... If no one vapes in public then it doesn't exist. So I guess none of us will then have a problem if we can't get e-cig anything any more. Because the slant will be we shouldn't have been doing it any place to begin with and we let "them" get away with it.
Actually I agree with this. I never really thought about it like that. Thanks
It's their business. Next time ask 1st. Either when greeted or if seat-yourself when the waiter/waitress first arrives.
If vapers just asked 1st, (and walked out if they say "no", particularly in a bar-pub type establishment) the owners would get the hint rather quickly.
Having a "fit" about it when you didn't ask first is...not cool. Who wants hot-head customers in a bar anyway? (don't answer that).
I agree that vaping is NOT smoking. Educating them would have gone a lot further than tantrums though.
I'm waiting for the day when they ask "Vaping or non-vaping?"
If vapers just asked 1st, (and walked out if they say "no", particularly in a bar-pub type establishment) the owners would get the hint rather quickly.
Having a "fit" about it when you didn't ask first is...not cool. Who wants hot-head customers in a bar anyway? (don't answer that).
I agree that vaping is NOT smoking. Educating them would have gone a lot further than tantrums though.
I'm waiting for the day when they ask "Vaping or non-vaping?"
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Looking through my giant Oxford dictionary, the act of emitting vapor is a definition of smoking.
I totally agree about not vaping in an establishment that doesn't allow smoking. It's their business & they can do what they want & if it bothers a vaper they should not patronize the business. I wouldn't.
That being said, civility goes both ways & it's no more civil to whine & ....* about vapors just because you want to hate everything that isn't something you're in to. IMO the hypocrisy is disgusting where this particular issue is concerned. It's "inconsiderate" of me to blow my water vapor but it's "civil" for someone to tell me not to do it because they don't like the way it looks. And that's basically what it boils down. They do not like the way it looks. It's not about it really producing second hand smoke & affecting their health. It's because it looks like it does & they chose to hate it for looking that way. These same people would not complain about fog machines because fog blowing out of a machine does not look like smoking. It's only when it's coming out of someone's mouth that it's "bad". That's uncivil.
P.S. all the talk in this thread about that guy's chew bottle is gagging me. I don't even need to see it. Just envisioning it is disgusting. I can't believe that's ok in an eating establishment but having a vape isn't.
That being said, civility goes both ways & it's no more civil to whine & ....* about vapors just because you want to hate everything that isn't something you're in to. IMO the hypocrisy is disgusting where this particular issue is concerned. It's "inconsiderate" of me to blow my water vapor but it's "civil" for someone to tell me not to do it because they don't like the way it looks. And that's basically what it boils down. They do not like the way it looks. It's not about it really producing second hand smoke & affecting their health. It's because it looks like it does & they chose to hate it for looking that way. These same people would not complain about fog machines because fog blowing out of a machine does not look like smoking. It's only when it's coming out of someone's mouth that it's "bad". That's uncivil.
P.S. all the talk in this thread about that guy's chew bottle is gagging me. I don't even need to see it. Just envisioning it is disgusting. I can't believe that's ok in an eating establishment but having a vape isn't.
And it's a very bad definition that should be removed.
That Oxford dude ain't right ALL the time.
I always ask first but 9 times out of 10 they will allow it. They even allow it at Tigers games in certain sections. Michigan, in my experiences has been pretty vape friendly
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What blows my mind the most is that the chew-bottle is okay and vaping is not. On the gag-o-meter scale it's not even close. Blechhhhh!
If it was my establishment (of any sort - restaurant, store, dry-cleaner, office, whatever) even when I was still a smoker, I would ask the bottle toter to take it outside before I'd ask the person vaping.
Gotta go wash out my mind's eye with some bleach now....
AND????
No, you mean THEN.
Tacos AND ice cream??? Madness! Tacos THEN ice cream!!!
Don't make me flame you!
(It'll melt your ice cream)
Well... technically speaking. I mean, nic is extracted from tobacco.
But then so's nicotine gum and nicotine patches. So I guess "no smoking" rules should also apply to smoking cessation products.
Which reminds me, we should get rid of the term "electronic cigarette". If these are "electronic cigarettes" then nicotine gums are "chewable cigarettes"...
(Forget who said that. Not original with me. Wish it was.)
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