Sigelei 213 owners thread

[OlderNDirt]

I picked up the 213 mostly for the looks, size, and reported battery life and for those features and benefits, I am more then happy with it in power mode.....so far, anyway. I made it through a 16 hour day, about 7 hours at around 80Ω. At $80 with 2 batteries, for me that is worth the cost.
But...................

I don't, nor ever expect to use TCR/TFR modes, so will let comments from experienced vapers speak for themselves. My biggest complaint with the temp control is the individual modes (Ni, Ti, SS, etc) do not maintain their own settings making switching between them a pain to remember preferred settings and adjust each time you change tanks with different TC coils. Having a Lavabox that keeps those settings relegates the 213 to power use only unless I just keep one setting for one tank/tc coil.

I have not experienced any misfires and have only gotten the garbled screen a couple times. But adding that to the TCR/TFR glitches and how Sigelei is dealing with the issues will give me pause before considering another Sigelei purchase. Then again, I really like the mod and am curious to see how things pan out with the Fuchai 213.

And I have to wonder if this might be somewhat of a norm as companies push out new products before August 6 (or whatever date it is).

 

[Topweasel]

Same here. I bought it to be a small, dual battery, power mode mod. It's working beautifully for me. I've run it in temp control using Sigelei's numbers, works fantastic for me. But that's not what I bought it for. I would never buy a mod for temp control that didn't have firmware upgrade ability. I think a lot of the problem is how much people trust reviewers for their information. They aren't professionals by any means, and I've noticed most of them have absolutely no clue how to truly test a device. The blurbs some put on their videos "Don't just take my advice" are very true. Most of the reviewers put out a video on the device within a day or two of getting it. No way they can know how a device performs in that kind of time frame.

Even ones who spends weeks on a device tend to skim over certain sections as well mainly because they either don't have the knowledge, the skills, or desire to include it in their daily habits. It's understandable. I know if Phil had reviewed this before people became aware of the issues, some things like the 2 TCR memory settings and the garbled screen would be missed. On the other hand even though he isn't big on TC he still would have caught the resistance issues, but maybe not right away the F based TCR confusion. Though if he did he would have been able to get an answer back right away.

Now bringing up the resistance issue. My Power readings have been spot on compared to my new DNA and my Sig TC150. I have a .20 SS 316L coil for my Herk+ that the DNA, the 150TC and the 213 in power mode all see as .22. As soon as I switch to 316L or really any Temp control it drops down to .17 and becomes impossible to vape in TC. I would have to take the temp adjuster and the main temp to pretty much max to even get a usable cold vape. I put the coil in to test out the DNA (which is as fantastic as people suggest), so I figured that I might as well try it on the Sig to get a baseline feeling for it. Now I thought most peoples problems were with it just reporting the ohms low across the board. But is this just a temp control issue that when running temp it miss reports the ohms that much. For NI that might not be a big deal, but with SS and how little it adapts resistance when getting hot, .05 is a huge change.

 

[Topweasel]

I have not experienced any misfires and have only gotten the garbled screen a couple times. But adding that to the TCR/TFR glitches and how Sigelei is dealing with the issues will give me pause before considering another Sigelei purchase. Then again, I really like the mod and am curious to see how things pan out with the Fuchai 213.

And I have to wonder if this might be somewhat of a norm as companies push out new products before August 6 (or whatever date it is).

Keep in mind that that the garbled screen only happens when pressing the up and fire button at exactly the same time from screen off. I tried to recreate it a couple times and gave up for like 2 weeks, thought mine didn't have that "issue". I then tried it again last week just to try again. Finally got the garbled screen. If you hit the up button a mere moment before the fire you won't see it. Or if the device is up. Honestly I have to try to get it because my habit on all devices is to press the up or down first before the fire.

 

[ShowerHead]

I've played with this mod for a few days. Been to their website for the TCR conversion numbers, used Steam Engine for TFR values, read this entire thread.
It's going back for store credit. Already have the RMA and boxed it up.
Nice looking, feels good, just can't get past the faulty programming and the weird way they tried to deal with it.
Already have a VT133 on its way.

 

[Topweasel]

I've played with this mod for a few days. Been to their website for the TCR conversion numbers, used Steam Engine for TFR values, read this entire thread.
It's going back for store credit. Already have the RMA and boxed it up.
Nice looking, feels good, just can't get past the faulty programming and the weird way they tried to deal with it.
Already have a VT133 on its way.

Is this about the TCR? Because that isn't faulty. Non-semi standard. But the reasoning behind it is legit. How they handled it was crappy. But there is nothing faulty in using F over C. In fact in retrospect if it wasn't with how well evolv did everything else right, chances are someone would have switched over to F earlier. Honestly a little surprised Yihi hasn't for "more accurate than DNA" temp control.

 

[KayP]

kind of off topic, but last night noticed several threads in the New Members subsection regarding Sigelei devices and now they are all deleted by the admin.

Sigelei representatives at work? Trying to win the confidence of new vapers?

Anyway, I'm biased...shady company.

Still using the mod tho!

Hmm..

Speaking of new members, I did not even contemplate the possibility of new vapers who might be having difficulties with the mod.. =/

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[ShowerHead]

Is this about the TCR? Because that isn't faulty. Non-semi standard. But the reasoning behind it is legit. How they handled it was crappy. But there is nothing faulty in using F over C. In fact in retrospect if it wasn't with how well evolv did everything else right, chances are someone would have switched over to F earlier. Honestly a little surprised Yihi hasn't for "more accurate than DNA" temp control.

No, not just TCR. It just isn't a device that I want with all the 'stuff' that happens with it.
1- Gotta use a website for TCR values. Hmm, everyone else just uses the TCR value that I know by heart. I have many mods, don't intend to have one that is different.
2- They forgot to have all the memory slots enabled. Shoddy programming elsewhere? Don't know. Don't care to find out.
3- Screen glitches. Same as #2.

It's your money, if you like it, cool.
Don't try to convince me it's a good mod or worth what I paid for it. It's not either in my book.

 

[Topweasel]

No, not just TCR. It just isn't a device that I want with all the 'stuff' that happens with it.
1- Gotta use a website for TCR values. Hmm, everyone else just uses the TCR value that I know by heart. I have many mods, don't intend to have one that is different.
2- They forgot to have all the memory slots enabled. Shoddy programming elsewhere? Don't know. Don't care to find out.
3- Screen glitches. Same as #2.

It's your money, if you like it, cool.
Don't try to convince me it's a good mod or worth what I paid for it. It's not either in my book.

I like it. But I am not trying to defend it and the other two issues are legitimate (though I question the screen garbled is so so so easy to avoid, so much so I originally had a hard time recreating it on my device). It's just I have read several people refer to the TCR values as bad programming, bad TC, even a bad chip because of how it works. People are suggesting that the Segelei Fuchia 213 is going to use a completely different chip because of the issues. It's not, well not the way people are thinking. If the values are hard in the embedded processor then yeah technically the chip will be written with different information. But it really just means they are flashing it with different values and not creating a new chip for it. But fundamentally it will be the same unit. But being different doesn't mean its broke. I don't want to dissuade someone from making a choice that makes their life easier. But on the other hand change or differences doesn't mean bad.

In this case they aren't wrong. It's simple by F being a smaller unit of measurement, the change in a single of measurement in resistance is going to be more accurate than one that is larger. In this case the change in a 1C of temperature is going to include the compounded increase in resistance that 3F would make. Since we are talking about 100's of degrees in temperature and the fact that most people vape in F anyways it makes sense to use F as the unit of measurement for temperature to calculate the resistance change. Heck if they sold the device advertised as new F based TCR for increased temp accuracy and actually provided the TCR values of popular metals it would probably gone over a lot better. But they waited till everyone was already angry or frustrated with the device to inform people how different it was. It might also be a NASA like issue where they didn't realize that Suprimo a US company used F for their calculations when submitting the final info to Segelei to implement on the chip. Trust me it could be that simple. But either way it doesn't make the programming faulty, just different, and in this case being the only device to use F based TCR, it was probably a bad move. I don't fault you for wanting you to swap your device but I just wanted to separate the distinction of something be bad and something being different (again only referring the the TCR implementation, there are enough problems to consider the device as a well I won't say bad but sub par device).

 

[f1vefour]

It might also be a NASA like issue where they didn't realize that Suprimo a US company used F for their calculations when submitting the final info to Segelei to implement on the chip.

This is a Sigelei board running "Suprimo" firmware. I place Suprimo in quotes because Suprimo did nothing but advise software engineers on functionality.

What happened is anyone's guess but I'm 99% certain it was a mistake.

Too bad, I really wanted to love this device. It's attractive, small, and has great battery life.

 

[StrahmNoMore]

Not that crazy but enough for the mod to put out a voltage difference warning. I believe when it happened one was reading 4.3 the other was 3.3.

I took out the batteries, swapped their positions, and its fine ever since. Batteries were new LG HG2s.

I just got this mod today and I love it except mine was doing that same thing. 1 battery read like .06 and the other was 7. Something. I cleaned the battery door with my shirt and it's been fine since . If I run into it again I'm gonna contact the place I got it from.

 

[StrahmNoMore]

Anyone have the battery go CRAZY and have a top reading of 0.33v and a bottom one reading 7.03??? These are paired batteries that have run through my 213 4 or 5 times. I just switched out with another pair and the same reading. Of course it will not fire with that reading.

Yes mine did that an hour or 2 out of the box. I cleaned the battery door with my shirt and it seems fine since.

 

[DP2Raja]

Yeah, cleaning the door and contacts did the trick. Have not had it since. been solid for the past 5 days or so.

 

[kenpocory]

Same here. I bought it to be a small, dual battery, power mode mod. It's working beautifully for me. I've run it in temp control using Sigelei's numbers, works fantastic for me. But that's not what I bought it for. I would never buy a mod for temp control that didn't have firmware upgrade ability. I think a lot of the problem is how much people trust reviewers for their information. They aren't professionals by any means, and I've noticed most of them have absolutely no clue how to truly test a device. The blurbs some put on their videos "Don't just take my advice" are very true. Most of the reviewers put out a video on the device within a day or two of getting it. No way they can know how a device performs in that kind of time frame.

Sometimes I'll run across a GrimmGreen vid that will say something like, "2 months with the (insert device here)" and I'll check it out, but overall I think forums like this are the best place to get true user reviews. No one here stands to lose anything by providing a brutally honest opinion.

 

[ShowerHead]

I like it. But I am not trying to defend it and the other two issues are legitimate (though I question the screen garbled is so so so easy to avoid, so much so I originally had a hard time recreating it on my device).

It might also be a NASA like issue where they didn't realize that Suprimo a US company used F for their calculations when submitting the final info to Segelei to implement on the chip. Trust me it could be that simple. But either way it doesn't make the programming faulty, just different, and in this case being the only device to use F based TCR, it was probably a bad move. I don't fault you for wanting you to swap your device but I just wanted to separate the distinction of something be bad and something being different (again only referring the the TCR implementation, there are enough problems to consider the device as a well I won't say bad but sub par device).

The screen is garbled when trying to do a common procedure. I didn't have to try to get the effect, and I suspect that the many others who chimed in earlier in the thread didn't strain themselves either. Can you clear it? Yep. Should you have to? Nope. Easy to see, faulty programming, inattention to detail. Not acceptable in this price range. I've got cheap eVic Minis and RX200 that don't do that.

I saw their video where they try to assuage us with their engineer making vapor on a naked base with a coil.
Poof! It produced vapor. See how much more accurate the special F TCR algorithm is?
Well... No, as a matter of fact, I don't. That was my main problem with the TCR as implemented. It never seemed to activate, lower the temp. I set it according to their website values. Took my tank from my SX Mini ML. Read resistance and checked to see if it were locked. Put in the temperature adjustment. Set 30W for .3 seconds in the preheat. Set for 420F. Hit the fire button. Nice warm vape. Set the temp to 200F. Hot the fire button. Nice warm vape. In fact, as far as I can tell, the exact same vape as when it was at 420F.
If I do that on any other mod I own, I get either nothing or a VERY weak vape. My conclusion? It doesn't actually limit temp in TCR mode with SS430.

My other complaint about the TCR is that while their website gives you 5 digit precision, the mod only accepts 4 digits. I concede that F potentially has better resolution for vaping than C. However, when removing a digit of precision forcing me to round up or down, that precision is now gone. Even if TCR mode did work, it would have to be inaccurate.

Like I said, for power mode only folks, likely a good mod.
For TC users, I would rather have a Cuboid if I wanted 2 18650s.
For roughly the same money, I have a VT133 on the way.

 

[kenpocory]

My other complaint about the TCR is that while their website gives you 5 digit precision, the mod only accepts 4 digits. I concede that F potentially has better resolution for vaping than C. However, when removing a digit of precision forcing me to round up or down, that precision is now gone. Even if TCR mode did work, it would have to be inaccurate.

This is my main beef with their claims of higher accuracy with thier version of tcr as well. I did find tcr to work with their numbers, but I only vape ss 316L so I can't make any claims about any other wire types. I know it does regulate the temp because at 200F I get very little to no vapor but a nice warm vape around 460F - 480F. However, I have no other device to compare the accuracy to.

I just dont even mess with tcr, I've found the best tc results through the tfr settings, which I know is also regulating temp, but again I can't attest to the accuracy of it. I find it odd that I have to set temperature compensate to 70 - 75 in order to get a good vape, which in a way tells me it can't be all that accurate. Then again, I'm not absolutely sure exactly what the setting does because I've heard a couple of explanations about its purpose.

Despite its quirks, I'm finally happy with the results I'm getting, but with the saturation of the market and the price at which you can find solid working mods, I shouldn't have had to figure all of this out at all.

 

[Daisychainvaper]

about the TCR: only m4 is not adjustable, right? m5 works for me.

 

[KayP]

Only the first, second and third TCR memory slots are adjustable for most of us.

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[Daisychainvaper]

funny, I can remember that m5 did not work for me but it does now. Whatever, does not make a difference anyway

 

[KayP]

Magic

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[f1vefour]

Magic

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