Sigelei 213 owners thread

[kenpocory]

I think what is lost in translation from sigelei's initial response that most issues can be fixed via firmware upgrade is that the upgrade can't be done by users, but can be done by sigelei. They can fix the issues moving forward, but you're stuck with what you purchased. So when they responded by saying it can be fixed via a firmware upgrade, that was true, just not what people interpreted it as. But it is 100% confirmed that the Sig213 and the Fuchai 213 ARE NOT firmware upgrade-able, no matter what the distributor says.

That's one way to look at it, but I don't think the right hand knows what the left hand is doing in that company. I have straight up seen their reps post contradicting information on their own Facebook page. That doesn't instill confidence.

 

[KayP]

One word.. dodgy.

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[rice721]

I think what is lost in translation from sigelei's initial response that most issues can be fixed via firmware upgrade is that the upgrade can't be done by users, but can be done by Sigelei. They can fix the issues moving forward, but you're stuck with what you purchased. So when they responded by saying it can be fixed via a firmware upgrade, that was true, just not what people interpreted it as. But it is 100% confirmed that the Sig213 and the Fuchai 213 ARE NOT firmware upgrade-able, no matter what the distributor says.

doubt that was the case.

Regardless the information from this company is simply confusing to say the least.

 

[Daisychainvaper]

The new Sigelei 215 (this reuleaux shaped thing) won't be firmware upgradable either

 

[MortisEx]

In this case they aren't wrong. It's simple by F being a smaller unit of measurement, the change in a single of measurement in resistance is going to be more accurate than one that is larger. In this case the change in a 1C of temperature is going to include the compounded increase in resistance that 3F would make. Since we are talking about 100's of degrees in temperature and the fact that most people vape in F anyways it makes sense to use F as the unit of measurement for temperature to calculate the resistance change. Heck if they sold the device advertised as new F based TCR for increased temp accuracy and actually provided the TCR values of popular metals it would probably gone over a lot better. But they waited till everyone was already angry or frustrated with the device to inform people how different it was. It might also be a NASA like issue where they didn't realize that Suprimo a US company used F for their calculations when submitting the final info to Segelei to implement on the chip. Trust me it could be that simple. But either way it doesn't make the programming faulty, just different, and in this case being the only device to use F based TCR, it was probably a bad move. I don't fault you for wanting you to swap your device but I just wanted to separate the distinction of something be bad and something being different (again only referring the the TCR implementation, there are enough problems to consider the device as a well I won't say bad but sub par device).

You say that 1C change is equal to 3F but F value is changed in increments of 5 and C in increments of 1. Logic fail sorry.
The metric system is just flat out better.
"In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade, which is one percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same has exactly one mole of atoms in it."
I think I read someone else already saying this, the fact there is only 0.0000 to play with means you are rounding out which negates this "increased accuracy" and the fact everyone seems to be having to use temp offset means there seems to be a fault in how it reads the temp and res.
They screwed the pooch and tried to just soldier on with a fixed grin, ignoring everything they could. Have you visited their facebook page to see people showing pics of gaps and Sig just replying "its beautiful thank you"?
Im really angry at Sig but also really torn as to me this is by far the best looking device around. If they had even tried to address the problem honestly I would probably forgive them. But all the explanations just dont quite add up and the way they have tried to ignore and silence criticism is despicable.

 

[hazozita]

A more in-depth review with power and TC testing:

 

[sos2001]

VaporDNA has the Fuchai in stock...not half the price...for $99.95. $10 more than I paid for the original at MVS.

I know their prices are a little higher than some, but I think the "for half the price" deal is shot also.

 

[OlderNDirt]

A more in-depth review with power and TC testing:

Thanks for that video. Watched the whole thing and it reflects pretty much my opinion of the mod. I love it and its great battery life in power mode, even if it is 155 watts max, but am resigned to using my Lavabox for TC. Had Sigelei nailed the TC, this thing would have, hands down, been the best mod to date.

 

[Topweasel]

You say that 1C change is equal to 3F but F value is changed in increments of 5 and C in increments of 1. Logic fail sorry.
The metric system is just flat out better.
"In metric, one milliliter of water occupies one cubic centimeter, weighs one gram, and requires one calorie of energy to heat up by one degree centigrade, which is one percent of the difference between its freezing point and its boiling point. An amount of hydrogen weighing the same has exactly one mole of atoms in it."
I think I read someone else already saying this, the fact there is only 0.0000 to play with means you are rounding out which negates this "increased accuracy" and the fact everyone seems to be having to use temp offset means there seems to be a fault in how it reads the temp and res.
They screwed the pooch and tried to just soldier on with a fixed grin, ignoring everything they could. Have you visited their facebook page to see people showing pics of gaps and Sig just replying "its beautiful thank you"?
Im really angry at Sig but also really torn as to me this is by far the best looking device around. If they had even tried to address the problem honestly I would probably forgive them. But all the explanations just dont quite add up and the way they have tried to ignore and silence criticism is despicable.

Logic fail because you have metric system hard-on? Sorry you are wrong here. There are parts of measuring in C that is better (why in the world isn't 0 freezing on F?). But just because the metric system is better and non arbitrary as a whole. When working with whole numbers the smaller unit of measurement the better. F wins.

They are probably right. But this could also just be a fail on Sigs part for showing 5 digits instead of on the website. The .00001 difference with 316 between using 4 digits vs. 5 could still be more accurate than the compounding resistance change in comparison C does over F in a single degree of change. But unless someone has actually done the math it's just an assumption on everyone's part.

But like I said I am not trying to excuse Sig for what is a dozens miss steps for this device. It's not a good device. It's well constructed and very customizable, but it isn't a good TC device and I question if it's a good power device. It's supposed to have a 35a limit (using HB6 and VTC4). I can't get mine to fire past 25a. Limiting it to 160w ish. It is probably due to the regs coming down the only device programed for F. It's a failed experiment for all of its other failings, but being different in that sense doesn't mean that C is better and that a company is doing something wrong programming for F.

The device annoyed me so much that I decided to treat myself to a hugely expensive DNA 200 device (M17) that wouldn't disappoint me.

 

[MortisEx]

Thanks for that video. Watched the whole thing and it reflects pretty much my opinion of the mod. I love it and its great battery life in power mode, even if it is 155 watts max, but am resigned to using my Lavabox for TC. Had Sigelei nailed the TC, this thing would have, hands down, been the best mod to date.

Indeed, he matched my opinion pretty much exactly. Lovely form and feel, nice in power, I rarely hit 90w so the max power isnt a hit for me. This will fire coils at .08ohms, refuses to go below that though. Screwed up TC and FW and the company is full of BS. LOL at telling him to buy efest 40A 18650s. Such a shame.
Guess its time to buy a YIHI SX350J or DNA200 box or just the chip and custom build a box for it.

 

[MortisEx]

Logic fail because you have metric system hard-on? Sorry you are wrong here. There are parts of measuring in C that is better (why in the world isn't 0 freezing on F?). But just because the metric system is better and non arbitrary as a whole. When working with whole numbers the smaller unit of measurement the better. F wins.

They are probably right. But this could also just be a fail on Sigs part for showing 5 digits instead of on the website. The .00001 difference with 316 between using 4 digits vs. 5 could still be more accurate than the compounding resistance change in comparison C does over F in a single degree of change. But unless someone has actually done the math it's just an assumption on everyone's part.

But like I said I am not trying to excuse Sig for what is a dozens miss steps for this device. It's not a good device. It's well constructed and very customizable, but it isn't a good TC device and I question if it's a good power device. It's supposed to have a 35a limit. I can't get mine to fire past 25a. Limiting it to 160w ish. It is probably due to the regs coming down the only device programed for F. It's a failed experiment for all of its other failings, but being different in that sense doesn't mean that C is better and that a company is doing something wrong programming for F.

The device annoyed me so much that I decided to treat myself to a hugely expensive DNA 200 device (M17) that wouldn't disappoint me.

LOL mate, metric is better. Sure F has more increments between freezing and boiling using whole numbers, but you can easily use decimals, and metric is uniform across all measurements so it is better. Thats why even NASA is switching to it.
The fact is this device does not measure in F units as single digits, only as 5F increments. So Celsius is more accurate.
Edit. A temperature difference of 1 deg C is the equivalent of a temperature difference 1.8°F.

 

[kenpocory]

A more in-depth review with power and TC testing:

Daniel's videos always rock. The only area that he didn't mention, and I would really like to know more about, is the temperature compensate setting. I'm curious to know if it can create a more accurate tc vape, because I get a pretty decent tc vape when I turn that up to about 75. I also found that if I turn the preheat time all the way down in tc mode it performs better, and it seems to do better with higher ohm coils (no lower than .5).

I asked him about it in the video comments, hopefully he will respond.

 

[rice721]

Daniel's videos always rock. The only area that he didn't mention, and I would really like to know more about, is the temperature compensate setting. I'm curious to know if it can create a more accurate tc vape, because I get a pretty decent tc vape when I turn that up to about 75. I also found that if I turn the preheat time all the way down in tc mode it performs better, and it seems to do better with higher ohm coils (no lower than .5).

I asked him about it in the video comments, hopefully he will respond.

I've always enjoyed DJLSB's review videos. He's the perfect balance between Pbusardo and the dime a dozen youtubers.

He does what PB does with in depth reviews: TC charts, wattage/resistance charts, device weigh (actually on a scale), device dimension (with that thing-ma-jig), atty 510 length, atty build / wicking, but without the 1 hr view time.

He does what the run of the mill reviewers do with up-close looks, device comparisons, attys on devices, personal opinions but with the PB in depth reviews.

My current favorite reviewer. Hopefully he puts out an SX mini Q in depth review, so far theres only the quick look.

VaporDNA has the Fuchai in stock...not half the price...for $99.95. $10 more than I paid for the original at MVS.

I know their prices are a little higher than some, but I think the "for half the price" deal is shot also.

I'm actually not surprised. The sig213 pricing was ALL OVER THE PLACE. Prices ranged from $60 - $120 in the US.

Prices in China is even more absurd. 999RMB across the board, which translates to about $150. With that price you're better off with a DNA200 or Yihi SX450/350jv2 chip. I'm actually thinking of flipping my sig213 since I got it for $80...

I'm betting the Sig213 sold like hotcakes and our average user probably will never notice the TCR discrepancy or even care about it if they had. I vape in power mode 90% of the time as well. But something about this company just rubs me the wrong way. And to think I started this thread with the enthusiasm and excitement.

 

[kenpocory]

I'm betting the Sig213 sold like hotcakes and our average user probably will never notice the TCR discrepancy or even care about it if they had. I vape in power mode 90% of the time as well. But something about this company just rubs me the wrong way. And to think I started this thread with the enthusiasm and excitement.

I was pretty stoked when I first got it too. I even left a good review about it on element vape. Man do I regret that.

I was even going around giving Sig the benefit of the doubt about their bs tcr tool. Oh well, live and learn. I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong. No shame there. Daniel's review certainly explains why I've had to jump through so many hoops to get a decent tc vape on this thing. I bought it because I love my Sig 150 tc and was really excited when I saw that it had tc for ss.

From what I gathered from Daniel's video, all they have to do is fix that resistance lock and the bs tcr function, and it could be an amazing mod. Aside from the screen glitches of course. Too bad they didn't get it right the first time.

 

[Nailz]

VaporDNA has the Fuchai in stock...not half the price...for $99.95. $10 more than I paid for the original at MVS.

I know their prices are a little higher than some, but I think the "for half the price" deal is shot also.

And it will all start again, in the description - "Micro USB Charge and Update Port"

I would of bought the Fuchai 213 if not for the problems, but now going to hold out for the IPV6 instead, but after the sig 213, I won't jump on it straight away, will wait for real people reviews first this time.

 

[kenpocory]

Going back and looking at the tc charts, I was curious and compared it to the charts Daniel had for the ipv5. Weird thing is, the tc isn't too far off from how the ipv5 performs with dual coils, but totally off in single coil mode. In fact, at 450 degrees the two devices are only 3 degrees apart with dual coils. I only looked at ss because that's solely what I vape.

 

[Afcarmona]

Saw Daniels review - my heart sank- but I'll just have to keep using this mod despite its limitations

 

[rice721]

According to Daniels video they could've easily made the device firmware upgradable but for some odd reason chose not to.

So even with their TCR values the mod doesn't do temp control. Even with the preset the mod doesn't do temp control. Basically the mod never locks the resistance and upon each firing reads the resistance of the coil again and again leading to higher resistance and a no limit cap to the temp.

I think a lot of us would've felt a lot better if Sigelei would've just admit they F'd up instead of throwing out some BS excuse like a more accurate temp control with their TCR and TFR values.

 

[KayP]

According to Daniels video they could've easily made the device firmware upgradable but for some odd reason chose not to.

Cutting costs and pushing the device for an earlier release are not odd reasons; however, they remain speculative.

So even with their TCR values the mod doesn't do temp control. Even with the preset the mod doesn't do temp control. Basically the mod never locks the resistance and upon each firing reads the resistance of the coil again and again leading to higher resistance and a no limit cap to the temp.

Dodgy.

I think a lot of us would've felt a lot better if Sigelei would've just admit they F'd up instead of throwing out some BS excuse like a more accurate temp control with their TCR and TFR values.

I doubt that'll happen.

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[kenpocory]

According to Daniels video they could've easily made the device firmware upgradable but for some odd reason chose not to.

So even with their TCR values the mod doesn't do temp control. Even with the preset the mod doesn't do temp control. Basically the mod never locks the resistance and upon each firing reads the resistance of the coil again and again leading to higher resistance and a no limit cap to the temp.

I think a lot of us would've felt a lot better if Sigelei would've just admit they F'd up instead of throwing out some BS excuse like a more accurate temp control with their TCR and TFR values.

Well technically you get tc with the first fire then lol.