Sigelei 213 owners thread
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How did you manage to get ni80 to work at all!? Tc with nichrome should be pretty much impossible. With the lack of digits on the 213 I can't understand how you could even input the values for nichrome.
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Whichever way you look at, it is evident that sigelei (and Suprimo?) tried to develop what they promised. As shown in Daniel's video, their attempt at TC was a good one, but too bad it doesn't work because you can't set the resistance. On top of that, firmware upgrade was in development; however, the circuitry was not completed making the feature moot.
As for Daniel's conversation with a sigelei "representative": I have no issues believing it to be true as it is similar to the responses on facebook.
It is in my opinion that sigelei was aware about the issues with the device and, combined with the need to cut costs and make the delivery date, they chose to press on. Whilst I do feel ripped off, I see no point in pressing on and yelling "You ripped me off! Give me my money back!". I do hope Sigelei improves by fixing the flaws before the release of the new Fuchai 213; however, I will not be buying another Sigelei mod for the foreseeable future.
P.S. I recently checked the vendor from which I purchased my Sigelei 213 and noticed that their listing for the Fuchai 213 advertises firmware upgrade..
As for Daniel's conversation with a sigelei "representative": I have no issues believing it to be true as it is similar to the responses on facebook.
It is in my opinion that sigelei was aware about the issues with the device and, combined with the need to cut costs and make the delivery date, they chose to press on. Whilst I do feel ripped off, I see no point in pressing on and yelling "You ripped me off! Give me my money back!". I do hope Sigelei improves by fixing the flaws before the release of the new Fuchai 213; however, I will not be buying another Sigelei mod for the foreseeable future.
P.S. I recently checked the vendor from which I purchased my Sigelei 213 and noticed that their listing for the Fuchai 213 advertises firmware upgrade..
for the digits, i rounded, with something like nichrome, the hit was not powerful but it worked and it didnt burn the cotton, so the mod was able to detect very small resistance changes, and it seems to be very good at detecting resistances down to the 3rd decimal
IMO DJlsb's problems were created through a combination of things
incorrect temperature compensation settings for one, something which he failed to clarify or show throughout his video, which is huge
the preheat settings aswell
and personally my cleito red 0.377 once but after firing and let rest is sitting at a very solid 0.407
so using the "read" setting correctly is essential, and there is lots of room to use it incorrectly
why should cotton burn tests be tested on cotton without juice on it? in which way does this simulate real world use in any way at all????
if you have to repetatively fire a mod to create the problem, its you creating the problem, because sorry.... but you are an idiot
or am i missing something and micro hits are the next new thing
if i fire anything to dry it backs down to 3 watts almost every time
my only complaint would be that they should have an additional decimal place for the TCR and TFR modes
incorrect temperature compensation settings for one, something which he failed to clarify or show throughout his video, which is huge
the preheat settings aswell
and personally my cleito red 0.377 once but after firing and let rest is sitting at a very solid 0.407
so using the "read" setting correctly is essential, and there is lots of room to use it incorrectly
why should cotton burn tests be tested on cotton without juice on it? in which way does this simulate real world use in any way at all????
if you have to repetatively fire a mod to create the problem, its you creating the problem, because sorry.... but you are an idiot
or am i missing something and micro hits are the next new thing
if i fire anything to dry it backs down to 3 watts almost every time
my only complaint would be that they should have an additional decimal place for the TCR and TFR modes
here are my settings for a BEAUTIFUL vape on a cleito with ss316 coils
SS316 Mode
locked at .407 (i have had my last SS coil lock at around .395 and it was good too)
prehead adjustment 60.0 Watts 0.01 seconds
60W
the 213 maintains between 30-60 watts depending on the airflow
when i use this same setup with the cuboid it works best at 55 watts 500-550F gives me a much weaker hit and doesnt downstep, it just fires at 55 backs off, so on, to me that is not "real temp control"
the 213 has really good temp control for SS in my use
SS316 Mode
locked at .407 (i have had my last SS coil lock at around .395 and it was good too)
prehead adjustment 60.0 Watts 0.01 seconds
60W
the 213 maintains between 30-60 watts depending on the airflow
when i use this same setup with the cuboid it works best at 55 watts 500-550F gives me a much weaker hit and doesnt downstep, it just fires at 55 backs off, so on, to me that is not "real temp control"
the 213 has really good temp control for SS in my use
as far as having firmware updates to "fix" the sig -NOT A - 213
that is the unfortunate fact that everyone who has purchased the device is stuck with ... we're stuck with a mod that promised or hinted all of these wonderful features but alas do not work as promised...
Mine will ramp down the watts and prevent dry hits, but fails every single dry cotton burn test I do on every setting.
That's really annoying. The vendor I purchased my 213 from was advertising it as upgradeable, but at least when I pointed it out to them they changed it and sent me a pack of cotton bacon and some claptons as a thank you.
That was nice of them, I suppose, and much better than what Sigelei will offer, which is zilch.
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Yeah I was surprised. I wasn't expecting anything. I did it because I really like the vendor and didn't want people purchasing it with the same expectation I had to only be let down in the end.
So they are up to firmware 1.9 now and customers are receiving a 213 with that firmware?
I ordered and received mine with firmware 1.5 less then a month ago. Granted, it could be stock from an earlier run. But just the fact it has progressed from firmware 1.5 to 1.9 this fast tells me Sigelei is well aware of serious deficiencies requiring immediate attention......but I guess not serious enough to take care of customers stuck with firmware 1.5.
Not sure I can justify ever giving them another penny of my money even though I am sure they won't miss it at all.
I ordered and received mine with firmware 1.5 less then a month ago. Granted, it could be stock from an earlier run. But just the fact it has progressed from firmware 1.5 to 1.9 this fast tells me Sigelei is well aware of serious deficiencies requiring immediate attention......but I guess not serious enough to take care of customers stuck with firmware 1.5.
Not sure I can justify ever giving them another penny of my money even though I am sure they won't miss it at all.
From the way things are going with the unfair laws against the vaping industry, I'm sure Sigelei will miss us soon.
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With all due respect....
I didn't know Borat Sagdiyev did youtube videos?
Sorry just trying to have some fun in light of watching this!
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is what I have when I check the firmware. If you check my first post, my sigelei 213 was received on 4/30/2016, the day I started this thread. So I assume I got one of the first batches...shouldn't my firmware be one of the earlier ones?
Seems like the firmware versions are all over the place?
is what I have when I check the firmware. If you check my first post, my sigelei 213 was received on 4/30/2016, the day I started this thread. So I assume I got one of the first batches...shouldn't my firmware be one of the earlier ones?
Seems like the firmware versions are all over the place?
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until you can replicate DJLSB's in depth review showing accurate TC, I'm going to take his word over yours.
Sure the mod vapes fine in TC SS316L. I vaped it with SS316L both in 316 preset and TCR (before sigelei came out with their BS calculator) when I first got the mod and it "worked". But "working" is a relatively loose term.
I spent a good amount of time dialing in a TFV4 mini with a Ti coil and I will say, was finally able to get a good vape out of it. So much so, I went to my Subtank with a Ni200 coil and finally got it dialed in fairly well. But when I went back to the Ti coil, all the settings for the Ni200 were there. Needless to say, I didn't even bother with my Herakles Plus with SS316 coils. I paid for multiple tanks to dial in favorite vapes based on tank/juice/coils used. As often as I switch flavors by changing tanks with different coils, I don't want to have to record each setting and change the mod settings/adjustments each time. If the settings I put in for Ti, SS316, Ni200 would remain, I would have been happier with the mod. As it is, I have settled for power mode which is not what I bargained for.
The dry cotton burn test isn't so much about simulating a real world experience as it is testing the actual temperature output of the device in a way that anyone can see if it's actually working or not.
Again, not a simulation of a real world experience. He was showing how the mod reads the resistance every time it's fired, applies power at that resistance upon each fire, and progressively gets hotter and hotter. That seems to be the real flaw with it, other than that it seems to be a pretty solid mod.
The test I did was at all lowest possible settings; 200F, 10w at 0.01 seconds (were talking a fraction of a second here, that should not over ride temp control in any way). I even played around with temp compensate. I did one on zero and the other at -95, (the lowest it will go) and got the same results every single time on ten different tests.
I fired at a full 10 seconds until the mod shut off. On the second fire, within a few seconds at 200F the cotton started smoking. Should cotton burn at 200F? I have watched numerous dry cotton burn tests online conducted with mods that have good reputations and people were repeatedly firing coils with dry cotton at 400F and it didn't burn. The cotton would come out slightly brown and singed at 400F, but I can full on char mine at 200F.
I will say that the device ramps down wattage while you fire it and it did prevent me from getting any dry hits on an rba that was notorious for dry hits, so it's doing something for sure. Is it good enough to work for what I need? Sure. Is it really temp control? I'm not so sure about that, but it is regulating to some extent in its own weird way.
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I change tanks a lot too and just got tired of fighting with the settings every time. It also seems to be very inconsistent. In power mode it's solid, too bad I bought it as a tc device.
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