Sigelei 213 owners thread

[kenpocory]

BTW: the "work around" for having only 3 out of 5 functional TCR memories is to use the TFR memories/settings. All 5 of those do actually work as advertised.

Did not know that. Thank you. I've been using tfr exclusively, and it gives me a very good tc vape. It seems that the main problem really comes down to the tcr function, aside from the garbled screen and misfires.

Just my opinion here, but I think sigelei obviously made a mistake with the tcr and then back peddled with the whole Fahrenheit vc Celsius spiel in an attempt to save face.

I really was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt at first and thought, "well maybe they are just trying to release a more accurate mod and stay competitive", but then they post that tool with all the numbers showing and a space missing for the number in the mod itself. Something isn't right there.

Then to add insult to injury they re-release it, call it the Fuchai 213, fix the issue and sell it for half the price. C'mon. Yeah, I have it working. Yes, I'm happy with it now, but sigelei lost a whole lot of respect with all of this.

 

[TechnoGeek]

Just my opinion here, but I think Sigelei obviously made a mistake with the tcr and then back peddled with the whole Fahrenheit vc Celsius spiel in an attempt to save face.

I really was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt at first and thought, "well maybe they are just trying to release a more accurate mod and stay competitive", but then they post that tool with all the numbers showing and a space missing for the number in the mod itself. Something isn't right there.

Then to add insult to injury they re-release it, call it the Fuchai 213, fix the issue and sell it for half the price. C'mon. Yeah, I have it working. Yes, I'm happy with it now, but Sigelei lost a whole lot of respect with all of this.

I'm with you as far as Sigelei making a mistake with the TCR, and it not being intentional. Why? I'm into electronics as a hobby, TCR/TFR is a worldwide standard/specification for resistors. It is the Temperature Coefficient of Resistance in Parts Per Million in degrees Celsius. Thus-- .000000 you have millionths... Or as steam engine shows.... TCR in vaping range 6000 ×10-6 = .006000
In electronics you need to know how much resistance change there will be under the expected operating temperatures, thus you spec the right parts, or possibly compensate for the differences....For Sigelei to say that their way is/was more accurate?!?!? Really? It's just math....So, they changed the method/formula/programmed in the Fuchai 213 so it can be half the cost... Sure....

TFR is pretty much the same BUT more accurate. It's more accurate as a materials TCR is not constant at all temperatures, thus you use a TFR curve to supply more numbers at specific temperatures for greater accuracy....

Ironic that Sigelei changed their TCR to be based on Fahrenheit, and still used Celsius for TFR, huh?

What's more ironic to me... Since Sigelei does NOT display live temperatures....they could take the easy, more efficient way out... no need for constant math to determine current temperature and display it on the screen, just uses more processor cycles, uses more battery, and more complicated....The could just use the standard math for TCR, base the starting temperature on room temperature(or 68F - 20C) use the resistance at that temperature, then take the temperature you input. From that calculate what the resistance SHOULD be at your required temperature, then adjust power output based on the expected resistance. No need for constant computations, processor cycles, etc... just monitor the resistance, and adjust power....

Maybe they do it this way....

 

[ShowerHead]

I'm with you as far as Sigelei making a mistake with the TCR, and it not being intentional.

I recall the 'contact lenses' that were fitted to the Hubble Telescope to correct its vision.
I recall the $2 billion mars lander that slammed into the planet because of a conversion error.

However, I just returned from a 2 week holiday and my 213 will be delivered tomorrow.
I'm gonna be POd if it's a screen scrambling, coil burning, POS.

I've owned one Sigelei and it was great, sister-in-law is still using it.

I've no idea where I got the idea it was the first Sig to be upgradable, but that's why I ordered it. If it weren't so long after I ordered, I'd sure send it back. Even my SX Minis needed upgrades to be a good mod.

That's what I get for not waiting until folks had them in hand before ordering.

Lesson learned, not just for Sig, but for anything. Don't get ahead of real world use and reports.

 

[Adam Belcher]

Funny thing about the resistance for me is that mine consistently reads around .01 higher than my ohm meter. The thing definitely isn't accurate because different people report different results.

I found the most consistent vape for me comes from using the tfr straight from steam engine on my 316l wire. It's the only wire I wrap with so I don't know how it fairs with other wires.

This is the mod I've learned to use tc with, and it's been interesting to say the least. I really wish I would've started tc on an ipv or DNA mod. Oh well, it is what it is.

I've been exclusively using ss tc for about 6 months now but I really wanted to give this pre-heat thingy a go. To my mind this might prove really useful for big coils that take a lot of power to get them up to temp. I bought some pre made alien wire and did a dual coil build in my Griffin 25. And yup this wire does take a while to ramp up opposed to the 26 gauge ss I Normaly use. Anyhoo set preheat to 100w for half a second then it continues at 60w. Works really well. My main reason for using tc has been to stop the cotton drying out. With this build I can't even get close to a dry hit. I've read that these types of wire can hold a lot of juice themselves and this seems to be the case. Any how the pre heat works great and is a really useful extra to have if your planning on using bigger coils.

 

[Adam Belcher]

Funny thing about the resistance for me is that mine consistently reads around .01 higher than my ohm meter. The thing definitely isn't accurate because different people report different results.

I found the most consistent vape for me comes from using the tfr straight from steam engine on my 316l wire. It's the only wire I wrap with so I don't know how it fairs with other wires.

This is the mod I've learned to use tc with, and it's been interesting to say the least. I really wish I would've started tc on an ipv or DNA mod. Oh well, it is what it is.

Tbh I think ss tc is just a bit hit and miss full stop. People First used nickel because it's resistance shoots up so much when you apply heat. This made it really accurate for tc. Kanthal resistance barely moves when you apply heat this is what makes it such a great wire for power mode. Ss has a much shorter tcr curve (hope I'm using the right terminology lol) which makes it very susceptible to its starting resistance. Any device or ohm reader that is accurate to 0.01 ohm is very accurate. Unfortunately ss tc requires it to be 100% accurate to work well. I think!!

 

[JLR9]

Just noticed a small chip in my carbon fiber, in the corner of the case. Not sure when it happened exactly, but I did bump it off my desk about a week ago when filling my tank.. Clear liquid on carpet was kinda hard to see where it went. I don't think it could get any worse and it only noticeable if you look for it.

 

[Infinite]

Just noticed a small chip in my carbon fiber, in the corner of the case. Not sure when it happened exactly, but I did bump it off my desk about a week ago when filling my tank.. Clear liquid on carpet was kinda hard to see where it went. I don't think it could get any worse and it only noticeable if you look for it.

I had the matte black version and after just a day of use (I'm light on gear btw), the painted chrome began to fade and reveal the shinny chrome underneath. I suspect that it occurred while in my back pocket when I walked out of office to vape. That was just another nail in the coffin that led to me exchanging the 213 the very next morning.

I would suggest being super careful as the painted chrome does not appear to be applied very well. I can't speak to the carbon fiber except that it is not carbon fiber...it's carbon fiber "looking".

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[kenpocory]

Tbh I think ss tc is just a bit hit and miss full stop. People First used nickel because it's resistance shoots up so much when you apply heat. This made it really accurate for tc. Kanthal resistance barely moves when you apply heat this is what makes it such a great wire for power mode. Ss has a much shorter tcr curve (hope I'm using the right terminology lol) which makes it very susceptible to its starting resistance. Any device or ohm reader that is accurate to 0.01 ohm is very accurate. Unfortunately ss tc requires it to be 100% accurate to work well. I think!!

Yeah, I've heard that ss can be a pain to get tc to work consistently and varies from build to build.

I can honestly say since using tfr and finding the settings and build that work for me, I'm finally happy with it.

 

[f1vefour]

Yeah, I've heard that ss can be a pain to get tc to work consistently and varies from build to build.

I can honestly say since using tfr and finding the settings and build that work for me, I'm finally happy with it.

316/317 can be, 304 and 430 not at all.

 

[VidGamrJ]

Someone blasted me earlier in this thread because I complained about juice getting behind my carbon fiber.

No, I'm not giving my 213 juice baths. The only thing I can think is it is condensation coming out of the air flow ring on my tank and getting behind the carbon fiber on the 213 somehow.

Anyway, the real point I was trying to make was that I wish there was better quality control on the box and that is was sealed up better, especially for it's price range. Sure it's not super expensive, but it's not bargain bin either.

In the end, I do enjoy my 213 and I wouldn't trade it for anything else right now. I just expected a slightly better job from Sigelei.


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[kenpocory]

316/317 can be, 304 and 430 not at all.

I've been thinking about trying 304.

 

[f1vefour]

I've been thinking about trying 304.

Shouldn't be too hard to come by in various gauges.

 

[ShowerHead]

I've been thinking about trying 304.

I've been using the 430 on all my tanks and it is great. No experience with the 304. Never tried 316, 317.
Unkammen has them all I think.

 

[ShowerHead]

Ok, letter carrier just delivered my 213.
I unboxed it, took a look at the owners manual, put two batteries in it, screwed the Bachelor on.
Went to manual TCR, set .0138 (guess).
Read resistance.
Fire button, no vapor.
Went to the preheat, set 30W for .5 seconds, same vapor as the SX Mini ML the tank came off of.

Have to figure out the TFR, but for now, no problems with condition of the mod or the way it vapes on my SS430 coil.

For now...

 

[kenpocory]

Ok, letter carrier just delivered my 213.
I unboxed it, took a look at the owners manual, put two batteries in it, screwed the Bachelor on.
Went to manual TCR, set .0138 (guess).
Read resistance.
Fire button, no vapor.
Went to the preheat, set 30W for .5 seconds, same vapor as the SX Mini ML the tank came off of.

Have to figure out the TFR, but for now, no problems with condition of the mod or the way it vapes on my SS430 coil.

For now...

If you're using the original 213 and not the Fuchai 213, TCR for that device with ss 430 is 0.00077 according to Sigelei's tool. From my experience, and many others on here, if you enter the wrong TCR value it's really hitting in wattage mode.

I've had excellent results with TFR and ss 316L once I figured out the right build. I noticed that I have to build my coils at a littler higher resistance than what I'm used to in order to get the best results. I recently upped my ohms to .68 from .50 and there was an amazing difference in accuracy. With preheat at 45W for .25 and temperature compensation between 70 and 75, I get awesome results with anything between 460F and 490F. It's been very consistent since I've figured all of this out.

I don't use ss 430 so what I'm saying may not even apply to you. Just thought I'd share.

 

[Adam Belcher]

If you're using the original 213 and not the Fuchai 213, TCR for that device with ss 430 is 0.00077 according to Sigelei's tool. From my experience, and many others on here, if you enter the wrong TCR value it's really hitting in wattage mode.

I've had excellent results with TFR and ss 316L once I figured out the right build. I noticed that I have to build my coils at a littler higher resistance than what I'm used to in order to get the best results. I recently upped my ohms to .68 from .50 and there was an amazing difference in accuracy. With preheat at 45W for .25 and temperature compensation between 70 and 75, I get awesome results with anything between 460F and 490F. It's been very consistent since I've figured all of this out.

I don't use ss 430 so what I'm saying may not even apply to you. Just thought I'd share.

Is the Fuchai 213 available yet? Be interesting to see if some of the problems have been resolved.

 

[kenpocory]

Is the Fuchai 213 available yet? Be interesting to see if some of the problems have been resolved.

Now that you mention it, I've only seen it on pre-order.

 

[Daisychainvaper]

what I read is that it won't be available before mid of june, but lots of preorders out there, yes.

 

[kenpocory]

what I read is that it won't be available before mid of june, but lots of preorders out there, yes.

Sounds about right.

 

[TechnoGeek]

On the Sigelei facebook page Sigelei is stating ABOUT June 5th...

also, no surprise, no firmware updates....