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Hey guys
I got my ZMax V5 & everything is peachy with this device, but I've noticed the bottom of the cap gets a little hot
when I vape, not horribly hot but enough to feel it. Is this normal??

I'm using an Efest 186500 batt (brand new) with a 3.0 carto running with voltage around 4.3 to 4.5.

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Hi AndriaD

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a) your ohm meter isn't accurate and the same applies to the sigelei so maybe your ohm meter is saying 1.3 when in fact the coil is 1.22 for example and the sigelei is reading the same 1.22 ohm coil as maybe 1.18... Since the limit is 1.2, it won't fire. 1.3 is too close to the bottom limit IMHO. I had a 1.19 that would fire dry on my zMax but not when wet with eliquid.

B) the resistance might be changing when you screw it down on the mod? Not sure which atty you're referring to but the Protanks and aerotanks are known to do this.

Ok, I had a feeling it might be something like this, but wanted to ask those In the Know a lot more than I. I didn't check the coil on my vv3s and I probably should; they always read coils 0.1 higher than they truly are, and if it says 1.3 on that, then I'd know it was really 1.2 and the sigelei might be reading it lower. I just thought it was weird.

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Some times I'll have a new coil low load when tested at 1.3. Realize a new coil is a little unstable and can fluctuate at first.

A little trick is loosen the atty press the fire button tighten the atty... it will fire it because you bypassed the low load protection. Usually after dry firing them once or twice for 3-5 sec they will read 1.3 and then continue to do so.
 

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Hey guys
I got my ZMax V5 & everything is peachy with this device, but I've noticed the bottom of the cap gets a little hot
when I vape, not horribly hot but enough to feel it. Is this normal??

I'm using an Efest 186500 batt (brand new) with a 3.0 carto running with voltage around 4.3 to 4.5.

Thanks!

You have a bad contact in the bottom cap threads or spring. The heat is from resistance in the ground connection there. Clean up and noalox the threads and the bottom of the spring. Reinsert the spring fully.
 

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Hey guys
I got my ZMax V5 & everything is peachy with this device, but I've noticed the bottom of the cap gets a little hot
when I vape, not horribly hot but enough to feel it. Is this normal??

I'm using an Efest 186500 batt (brand new) with a 3.0 carto running with voltage around 4.3 to 4.5.

Thanks!

No. Heating of the cap is a sign that the tube and battery cap threads need a cleaning to improve conductivity. Clean the battery spring and the inside of the battery cap as well. A little Noalox on these contact points will help.

If I recall it was PaulBHC who first mentioned a related phenomenon some weeks ago. I didn't really know how to respond because I hadn't experienced this before. He reported feeling a hot spot where his fingers contacted the battery tube during firing.

I can now tell you that I have experienced this X-File sensation for myself and I think it is real. I have felt the heat on my skin but could not feel a hot spot on the tube immediately afterward by touching it with my other hand.

I don't think the battery has much to do with it. I was using 18500s when it happened several times during the last month while using my V5.

Keep in mind that I haven't used Noalox on my V5. I use it on my two V3s with fine results but have avoided using it on the V5 as sort of an experimental control. I have been using the V5 almost all of the time for the last five months excluding some down time for a switch replacement.

There are some factors in common during the several times I felt a hot spot on my hand while firing the V5.

-Atmospheric temperatures were warm when it happened. The skin on my fingers and hands were moist allowing improved electrical conductivity.

-The contact point on my hand was the inside of the outer ring finger joint. This is where I felt the "heat". The skin is thin there and nerves are located close underneath (if I remember my anatomy correctly).

-The heat effect was momentary. It was not easy to replicate the effect after it happened by holding the V5 the same way and firing. Skin pressure and moisture on the V5 tube must be exactly right to feel this effect.

I don't think I felt "heat" as much as I felt electrical current. The nerves in my finger simply felt the B- current off the tube and interpreted it as "heat".

For some reason the B- path from the tube to my finger was better than the ground path for the V5, so my finger got a small jolt. Electrical current always takes the path of least resistance.

How to avoid this "heat" feeling in the future?

1. Improve the ground path (B- path) of the rig by cleaning the tube threads, battery cap threads and battery terminals for better conductivity. After cleaning, Noalox on the threads will improve the ground path even more.

2. Make the skin a better insulator by keeping it dry while vaping or using gloves (not very practical).
 
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I was trying out some replacement coils for one of my attys, checking their ohms, and one of them gave me the "low load" message, soI checked it out on the Omnitester, which told me it was 1.3 Ω -- why would the Sigelei not be able to read it? I don't believe I know what level the Sigelei considers "low load" but it didn't seem that that coil was that low, according to the Omnitester. Any ideas?

Thx, smart Sigeleirs! ;)
Andria
My V5 instruction pamphlet says "When resistance of the atomizer is below 1.2Ω, the Zmax will not work." I guess you are running into a slight disagreement between one Ohmmeter and another.
 

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Anyone know if the screen and button placement on the Zmax full size and the Zmax mini are in similar positions?
I want to order a Jwrap and the mini size doesn't include the extensions. I was thinking I could order full size and cut to fit???

I can't say for a fact, but I'd be willing to bet that everything is identical on the upper part of the tube (screen and button spacing and positions). I'm pretty sure they use the same exact circuit board in these, so it's a good bet that a j-wrap for the V3 or V5 could be trimmed down to fit the mini. Unless I'm mistaken, I think it was Tony that posted pictures of his mini after he took it apart and it looked like everything was identical to the V3/V5 except the length of the tube.
 

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I saw something weird from my v3 today and wanted to ask you well-informed people about it. I was trying out some replacement coils for one of my attys, checking their ohms, and one of them gave me the "low load" message, soI checked it out on the Omnitester, which told me it was 1.3 Ω -- why would the Sigelei not be able to read it? I don't believe I know what level the Sigelei considers "low load" but it didn't seem that that coil was that low, according to the Omnitester. Any ideas?

Thx, smart Sigeleirs! ;)
Andria

When I was recently doing testing of the Duty Cycle with different resistance atomizers, I could not get the Sigelei to accept anything below 1.3 ohms. I suspect that the Sigelei specification is a bit off, and should probably be updated to reflect a minimum resistance of 1.3 ohms instead of 1.2. I seem to recall earlier in this thread that others have had the same problem when trying to get to the lowest resistance possible. The Sigelei just doesn't seem to like anything up through the 1.2 range (1.29 and below).

BTW Jeremy, nice trick with screwing on the atty after it fires. :2cool:
 

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Anyone know if the screen and button placement on the Zmax full size and the Zmax mini are in similar positions?
I want to order a Jwrap and the mini size doesn't include the extensions. I was thinking I could order full size and cut to fit???
I'm not sure how either one lines up but, If this helps any, I spoke with Rachael at J-wraps a couple of times and she said that they will make you a wrap to fit anything. Just give them a call and tell them exactly what you want to wrap. :)
 

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Anyone know if the screen and button placement on the Zmax full size and the Zmax mini are in similar positions?
I want to order a Jwrap and the mini size doesn't include the extensions. I was thinking I could order full size and cut to fit???

aikanae1,
Here's a comparison of the two.

zmax-mini-compare-fullsize.jpg
 

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Anyone know if the screen and button placement on the Zmax full size and the Zmax mini are in similar positions?
I want to order a Jwrap and the mini size doesn't include the extensions. I was thinking I could order full size and cut to fit???

I've never seen an extension for the Mini. Where did you find one?
 

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Through SJ co-oops.

I actually had someone tell me my zmax's were "outdated technology" last week.
How DARE they!

SJ - are you ready for round 3? :laugh:

aikanae1, Outdated… how dare they, lol :p. Unfortunately, since Sigelei is no longer making the ZMax Mini, round 3 is pretty much a no go, sorry :(
 
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