SM V3 Semovar VS Provari

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Looks like I am getting atleast two. I have a birthday coming up now, and it looks like I'm getting another Pipeline Pro in another size. I can't praise them enough. Unlike what they say in the reviews, it's really easy to get a Kayfun to sit flush. The Eye looks great too, but it's 23mm. I will wait for the Provari 3.0, watch the reviews and compare their specs.

As for why it is 24w, I don't know. It's a bit on the high side for the 18350 batteries. The AW 18350 has an amp limit of 6.8A, doesn't it? If the battery is running low at around 3.4V, you will push around 6.85V through it at 24W, and that's a bit high. Of course, the 6.8A rating is continuous, so it could be OK to pulse it. Then again, you could have a safety feature making it impossible to hit 24W when the battery is that low. The Eye does have "Amp mode", and that could very well play a part in monitoring the current input, though.

Myself, I rarely use drippers, and I stay in the 9-14W range so I'd be fine either way.

Yeah, 24 Watts would chew through an 18350 pretty quick, if it would fire at all. However, it would be fine for most 650's. The 2.5 goes to 6 volts, which I rarely use, so extra capacity for a broader market just makes perfect sense to me, and the Twist people don't buy Provari's, though they may graduate to them in time, like I did.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

It is with great grief that I bring you the sad and shocking news...the Semovar has been cloned:

2014 wholesale mechanical mod sm nivel v3 mod clone sm v3 mod, View sm v3 mod, Sunlay Product Details from Shenzhen Hulihui Technology Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

and it seems like it's a very poor attempt too..they failed to realize that it's also a VW device..I wonder what kind of chip they are using in it.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

It is with great grief that I bring you the sad and shocking news...the Semovar has been cloned:

2014 wholesale mechanical mod sm nivel v3 mod clone sm v3 mod, View sm v3 mod, Sunlay Product Details from Shenzhen Hulihui Technology Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

and it seems like it's a very poor attempt too..they failed to realize that it's also a VW device..I wonder what kind of chip they are using in it.

The chip and connections make the Semovar and without a true Nivel chip, it's hardly a clone of the SM instrument. I would like to see more details on this device. Like you, what chip are they using? As you observed, there was no mention of VW except in the description of what appears to be an actual SM Semovar. We shall see. I won't be getting one, and the Semovar, is almost a backup for me now with the Eye and Provari soon to be out.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Did you get the eye already?...how is it?

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Did you get the eye already?...how is it?

No, and last I checked it was still out of stock. I am so ready for a new APV too, and some new batteries. Just replaced my Provari's with AW's, just new, and got rid of the old. I don't know how long it took for the Eye to sell out, but since I heard about it a couple of weeks ago, and decided to buy my first new APV since October, it's not been available. I would get another Provari, but with the V3 coming out any day, I don't dare.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Yeah..I'm waiting for the new Provari too..although my fingers are itching to pull the trigger on the IVP2 and I'm using all my will power to keep myself in check!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

Yeah..I'm waiting for the new Provari too..although my fingers are itching to pull the trigger on the IVP2 and I'm using all my will power to keep myself in check!

When in doubt, get both. This rule has served me well in my vape career, and if you sell your old gear, you don't lose much. I have bought over 40 APV/mechs over the last two years, and have about ten now. I've sold and pif'd (half) to others. Lucky them! I gave my brother in law a 2.5 and my purple dragon tank from Phiniac. Oh, well...

 

[Moonbogg]

What could 24 watts do that 15 couldn't? Drip with dual coils and just barely cut it? I almost think for this to make sense it would need to hit the 30 watt mark at least. Otherwise just stick to the 2.5 for kayfuns and grab a DNA 30 mod for dripping or go mechanical..IMO of course.

 

[EuroChris]

What could 24 watts do that 15 couldn't? Drip with dual coils and just barely cut it? I almost think for this to make sense it would need to hit the 30 watt mark at least. Otherwise just stick to the 2.5 for kayfuns and grab a DNA 30 mod for dripping or go mechanical..IMO of course.

I see you point, but there are more to regulated mods than output power. It's not about that for everyone.

24w is 60% more power than 15w, so can do a bit more with 24w as opposed to 15w. 30w is only 25% more.

In my opinion, the wattage race reminds me of the megapixel race when it comes to cameras. More watts does not equal a better vape.

I just want a reliable device, preferably small, with good battery capacity and a little bit more power than I think I will use. It's nice to know you can put a dripper on there, and 24w on a dual coil is fine if you don't chase clouds.

 

[Phone Guy]

I agree, and one of the of the big selling point of the newer device is the ability to read below 1ohm too.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Well...what could 30 watts do that 24 couldn't?

 

[ethermion]

Well...what could 30 watts do that 24 couldn't?

More likely to melt your insulators.
More likely to burn your wick.
More likely to burn your juice.
More likely to punish your batteries.
More likely to make you charge batteries more often.

Not sure I get this high watt stuff. I'm 9 to 10, and am quite happy. Happy enough that I am not smoking for over a year.

Maybe for cloud chasers running dual and triple and quad coils, but I ain't got time for that. Nor would massive clouds impress my wife. I went high VG and she was annoyed.

I don't recall when I got my semo, but it has been more than 6 months. Never ran it over 10 watts.

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

24 Watts sounds perfect for me. Though I rarely go over 11 Watts, I have ventured to the high watt zone on occasion. More often than the high watts is the low ohms. These new device (The Eye, and likely, the Provari 3.0), will fire down to .5 ohms, which I happen to go below 1 ohm quite often, and usually by mistake by taking off too many wraps on my coil....at which point I'm screwed. Regulation is just a whole lot more Vaporizer because it checks ohms, regulates power, has variable voltage and wattage (and now amperage), it's just limited in certain zones, which are not that uncommon. Compared to a mech, which requires that one tailor the coil to precisely the exact resistance, etc., it is vastly superior, imho. The Now may be mountains of mechs at ridiculous prices, imho, but the future is in regulation. Only by using regulation are we going to be able to tailor the extreme vapes that some seek. Once the DNA adds step down (new ones have this now), then it's really good, and comparable to the Semo, the Eye, the new Provari 3.0 (presumably), and several other exotic PV's. I like the new direction, and I'm in for both the Provari 3.0 and the Eye, right now, for the obvious advantages. Just my two cents...

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

More likely to melt your insulators.
More likely to burn your wick.
More likely to burn your juice.
More likely to punish your batteries.
More likely to make you charge batteries more often.

Not sure I get this high watt stuff. I'm 9 to 10, and am quite happy. Happy enough that I am not smoking for over a year.

Maybe for cloud chasers running dual and triple and quad coils, but I ain't got time for that. Nor would massive clouds impress my wife. I went high VG and she was annoyed.

I don't recall when I got my semo, but it has been more than 6 months. Never ran it over 10 watts.

I get your point, I rarely go above 10.5 which is my current sweet spot in most cases, and I rarely go below 1.4 ohms in my coil builds. But every once in a while (maybe once or twice a week after I put wife and kid to bed) I like to have a good scotch on the rocks (or three) and drip and have the little kid in me get excited with the clouds. Besides, for some of us it's turning to be a hobby of some sort. We get new stuff, start experimenting with DIY projects, try new builds, sell old stuff...etc.. Yes of course the bottom line is to stay off cigarettes and yes..I wouldn't take my dripper with me to the pub or to dinner with my wife. But hey..we can afford some foolishness in privacy

BTW, did you manage to get any news from SM on the mech firing button, new chip, new products..etc.?

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

24 Watts sounds perfect for me. Though I rarely go over 11 Watts, I have ventured to the high watt zone on occasion. More often than the high watts is the low ohms. These new device (The Eye, and likely, the Provari 3.0), will fire down to .5 ohms, which I happen to go below 1 ohm quite often, and usually by mistake by taking off too many wraps on my coil....at which point I'm screwed. Regulation is just a whole lot more Vaporizer because it checks ohms, regulates power, has variable voltage and wattage (and now amperage), it's just limited in certain zones, which are not that uncommon. Compared to a mech, which requires that one tailor the coil to precisely the exact resistance, etc., it is vastly superior, imho. The Now may be mountains of mechs at ridiculous prices, imho, but the future is in regulation. Only by using regulation are we going to be able to tailor the extreme vapes that some seek. Once the DNA adds step down (new ones have this now), then it's really good, and comparable to the Semo, the Eye, the new Provari 3.0 (presumably), and several other exotic PV's. I like the new direction, and I'm in for both the Provari 3.0 and the Eye, right now, for the obvious advantages. Just my two cents...

By the way Bill the soon to be released IPV 3 will have step down regulation. Of course having a 100 watt device next to my face is a bit alarming IMO, but the step down regulation is a plus. It will be released around the end of August

 

[Phone Guy]

I'd like to add something to this high wattage discussion, now having actually carried a 30w device as a daily driver for a couple weeks, I can say I still rarely go over 20w, I'm still in the 15w range on average, sometimes a tad higher..... but even when I want to play by cloud chasing I get better performance out of my mech and dripper for that 99% of the time... better is probably not the right term, but the mech and low sub ohm dripper is a better fit for cloud chasing.................

I agree with pretty much everything Im reading here. I'm not sure the pv3 or eye are for me at this point, but maybe... I'm not as ecstatic about the wae2 as I thought I'd be but the dna30 performs quite well..... I have noticed that certain builds regulate better or more properly on my dna20 device vs my dna30 device.

I'm not sure any tank system (kayfun/taifun/aqua/etc) require more than 20w for an adequate pleasing vape. and since ether mentioned it, I will say higher wattage causes the atty to get hot and does seem to cook and darken the juice....especially when chain vaping.

Overall I look forward to the bright horizon of what will be, the evolution of the apv.......... good times await boys, and remember - he who dies with the most toys wins!

 

[Bill's Magic Vapor]

By the way Bill the soon to be released IPV 3 will have step down regulation. Of course having a 100 watt device next to my face is a bit alarming IMO, but the step down regulation is a plus. It will be released around the end of August

I would actually never consider a box mod. Ain't on my radar. This is why I continually come back to the Eye and the Provari 3.0.....they are tubular. If I wanted a box mod, seriously, I'd build my own, they are simple, and I do have a complete woodshop. You know, you like what you like. If I were going to consider a box mod, I would definitely get a bottom feeder, rather than a mech. To each their own, as we say.

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

An eyewitness who saw the new Provari

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...provari-i-just-saw-vapecan-looks-sweet-3.html

 

[Tamer El-Meehy]

Since I started using my new VTC 5 I keep getting an E5 message. I unscrew the bottom cap and reinsert the battery it goes back to normal. Should I be worried?

 

[Phone Guy]

Since I started using my new VTC 5 I keep getting an E5 message. I unscrew the bottom cap and reinsert the battery it goes back to normal. Should I be worried?

Whenever I get error messages on mine, I do a little maintenance. Clean the threads, and add a little noalox....usually solves my issues.