Small Clarification on FDA regs please!

[Spencer87]

I do not live in the USA, But I do buy all my juice from the great country of America (which tends to make the best stuff).
Anyways, Trying to keep up with this regulation stuff.
The only issue is that I see it kind of as easily regulated.
couldnt each company just sell unflavored nicotine... as well as seperately sell small flavor packets.... like... a sort of flavor mixture... For ... use with "food or things"
or non toxic scented liquids (which also contain the taste)?
and then we could just mix them?
I mean, I could be wrong... but can that be a potential solution?
just trying to understand here...

 

[pbanj]

I do not live in the USA, But I do buy all my juice from the great country of America (which tends to make the best stuff).
Anyways, Trying to keep up with this regulation stuff.
The only issue is that I see it kind of as easily regulated.
couldnt each company just sell unflavored nicotine... as well as seperately sell small flavor packets.... like... a sort of flavor mixture... For ... use with "food or things"
or non toxic scented liquids (which also contain the taste)?
and then we could just mix them?
I mean, I could be wrong... but can that be a potential solution?
just trying to understand here...

The nic is included in the regs. The other parts of diy may be a bit harder for them to reg but the nic is a definite

 

[Spencer87]

yea... i know.. but pay the 1 million for unflavored juice mixes... and then just sell flavor...

 

[crxess]

yea... i know.. but pay the 1 million for unflavored juice mixes... and then just sell flavor...

US Government would never stand for that, which is why the regulations are at the same time so inclusive and so vague. Also Clear warning - more Regulations to follow.

 

[Rickajho]

This is still murky waters. One thread just tonight is reporting that the FDA has been leveraged into dropping their objections to flavored liquids. If that is correct then that's good.

And least one liquids vendor is interpreting the regulations as: They could sell you some nicotine, some flavoring, some PG/VG, an empty bottle. What you would do would those four items is up to you - the place you got it from cannot tell you.

A question you didn't even ask (but I just thought it up): This regulation is all very well and good for purchases in the USA. But what about those people living outside the United States who want to purchase? Is that even touched on in the regs? There would be huge irony in the USA having massive export sales of liquids to - China - but maybe that could happen?

 

[HazyShades]

I do not live in the USA, But I do buy all my juice from the great country of America (which tends to make the best stuff).
Anyways, Trying to keep up with this regulation stuff.
The only issue is that I see it kind of as easily regulated.
couldnt each company just sell unflavored nicotine... as well as seperately sell small flavor packets.... like... a sort of flavor mixture... For ... use with "food or things"
or non toxic scented liquids (which also contain the taste)?
and then we could just mix them?
I mean, I could be wrong... but can that be a potential solution?
just trying to understand here...

That's what i basically do as a DIY enthusiast, Spencer. But as
the grumpy old man pointed out nicotine itself is getting regulated
and it will probably be taxed at the going tobacco rate which when FL was trying to get these regulations done at the state level meant over 65 percent tax.

The way I'm understanding it anything becomes a tobacco product
if it can be remotely connected as part of a complete nicotine delivery
apparatus. Down to drip tips! Flavor manufacturers have to go through
the expensive FDA process also, flavor by flavor at least at first.
Then if an ecig vendor sells a flavor(s) as ecig flavor it automatically becomes a tobacco product. Your mod is a tobacco product. Your RDA is a tobacco product even if you vape zero nicotine.
There's a link to an interview with an attorney who specializes in dealing with the FDA
at another thread where he explains it all..down to drip tips.

Nicotine will be available but more expensive.
There will be less flavors available and they'll be more expensive.
There will likely be a black market
and there will be experimentation with home made or food flavors
and people will get hurt.

Regards,
Hazy

 

[nclobo]

A question you didn't even ask (but I just thought it up): This regulation is all very well and good for purchases in the USA. But what about those people living outside the United States who want to purchase? Is that even touched on in the regs? There would be huge irony in the USA having massive export sales of liquids to - China - but maybe that could happen?

That very subject was discussed on a webinar or podcast I listened to recently. Going from my vague memory, products meant for sale outside of the US are not regulated. However, vendors are advised to separate export from regular stock and clearly label products as export only/NFS in the US.

 

[Susan~S]

That very subject was discussed on a webinar or podcast I listened to recently. Going from my vague memory, products meant for sale outside of the US are not regulated. However, vendors are advised to separate export from regular stock and clearly label products as export only/NFS in the US.

+1.

I heard the same as you.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Also I read something about approved juices having to be marked "Not For Export".
Could be confused it was a big document.

Edit just read the above post.
So perhaps there are for export and not for export juices?

 

[Rickajho]

That very subject was discussed on a webinar or podcast I listened to recently. Going from my vague memory, products meant for sale outside of the US are not regulated. However, vendors are advised to separate export from regular stock and clearly label products as export only/NFS in the US.

Funny how we always have that double standard. I'm shocked, shocked some nanny out there trying to save the world hasn't put a stop to this. (Then again, the last time one of our Presidents tried to save the world from dictatorialism that didn't work out so great, did it?)

 

[Spencer87]

Approved-- Haha I dont think there will really be approval.
What I think is that... the companies who apply will get rejected, except for the big tobacco companies.
I think the Regs are simply a new hip way of prohibition.

A question you didn't even ask (but I just thought it up): This regulation is all very well and good for purchases in the USA. But what about those people living outside the United States who want to purchase? Is that even touched on in the regs? There would be huge irony in the USA having massive export sales of liquids to - China - but maybe that could happen?

I do not think that businesses can live on export sales alone. I dont expect there are too many. Vaping is not as big in Places where I have been, (Most of Asia) or even here in japan (Although it is getting bigger with some low end products being available for Ridiculously high prices).
China sales wouldnt be big either with a message that ones own countries things are always the best, plus tons of low end, yet cheap, juice being made at home, coupled with the high shipping cost and strong american dollar.

but to my knowledge, they cant really do anything for international sales. if any businesses would like to sell internationally. I doubt it would work though, with so many other companies in the UK and other parts of the world...

 

[Yiana]

I really think if you want nicotine at a higher level for diy, they are going to require a license since you are now a tobacco manufacturer. That is why so many people are stocking up on nicotine before the dark days of August comes around.