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Automaton

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Bazil was talking about if I put up a WTB in the Classifieds. The price of a new Precise is just out of my range, honestly. They are beautiful creatures. I got to see one (not sure of the model, but it was huge, and 6v). The button was pretty good actually. It's just waaaay expensive, and I don't have much to bargain with. Pretty sure no one wants 4-month old Kr8's covered in nail stickers. :p Promised those to a friend anyway, once I get a mod going.
 

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Bazil was talking about if I put up a WTB in the Classifieds. The price of a new Precise is just out of my range, honestly. They are beautiful creatures. I got to see one (not sure of the model, but it was huge, and 6v). The button was pretty good actually. It's just waaaay expensive, and I don't have much to bargain with. Pretty sure no one wants 4-month old Kr8's covered in nail stickers. :p Promised those to a friend anyway, once I get a mod going.

lol actually that was beside my point...was just saying since you said you were skittish about the whole vent thing that he'll do it if you ask no problem...

I totally understand the whole price range thing though... I had to scrimp and save....but for me I also wanted an all mechanical mod (I need something as indestructable as possible)....and to me it was the only option ....I will not own anything in the gg line (it's mostly a personal I don't like the way the maker treats people thing though) couldn't pay me to own one...

my point in writing was actually about the batteries since you said you were researching that...
just wanted to say that any protected 18650 has sufficient power and is safe in a single battery format that there is no benefit in going LiMN ..it's overkill and just costs battery life between recharges..
in a worst case senario 1.5Ω atty at 3.7V the amp draw is at about 2.5A ... a AW 2600mAh battery is capable of 5.2A max....the LIMN is capable of delivering 16A but only has 1600mAh
so the regular Li-Ion has sufficient power and has a longer between charge battery life...
but in something like 16340 or 14500 batteries...the max drain on the Li-Ion batteries is only 1.3 -1.5A (same 2.5A draw).... where the LiMN in those sizes are capable of around 4.5A....so in those sizes yeah LiMN is the way to go...

anyway has anyone pointed you to or have you looked at the e-cig mod database where they have just about everything pictured and listed side by side with their basic specs? Best e-Cig Mod List | e-Cig Mods Database
 

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They have a mod named "The Nomad" thought I'd tell ya if you didnt already know =) sold by vaporflow.

the nomad was the other name for the DSE-905 early on.... back when they were less than stellar in performance ...breaking, liquid in the electronics, a self cleaning mode that caused all sorts of near fires, used a unprotected 14500 battery because the protection was on the device....mass produced chiniese knock off copy of the screwdriver mod...

I'm sure they've probably fixed alot of the issues and problems in the newer versions...

but not in any way a mechanical device...and early models were almost a what not to do as far as mods go
 

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the nomad was the other name for the DSE-905 early on.... back when they were less than stellar in performance ...breaking, liquid in the electronics, a self cleaning mode that caused all sorts of near fires, used a unprotected 14500 battery because the protection was on the device....mass produced chiniese knock off copy of the screwdriver mod...

I'm sure they've probably fixed alot of the issues and problems in the newer versions...

but not in any way a mechanical device...and early models were almost a what not to do as far as mods go


I honestly dont know anything about mods...I just came across the name and thought I'd post.
 

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I honestly dont know anything about mods...I just came across the name and thought I'd post.

no problem...I get it, it was a comment on the name of the mod and her user name..

I was just letting you know some of the history of that model and some of the problems we saw with it... that way if you were looking at it as an option... it might help make more of an informed decision...

I've got what I like and what I'm willing to spend money on and it isn't going to fit what everyone else likes .. but as far as battery info or any known issues or problems I'd let you know.... money is tight here and I'd hate to see anyone else just throwing away money too
 
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Heh, I've actually handled an original 905 (Nomad), which was being given away due to it nearly lighting the previous owner's bed on fire. I decided against it. ;) It didn't vape that well anyway, even on a fresh batt.

NurseCin, you have no idea how badly I wished that thing was any good! The Nomad has a Nomad. Har har.

Drozd, I get it about GG. I have certain well-liked companies I won't deal with for my own reasons as well. I see Imeo as being like most intelligent, inventive people - not very socially adept, and shouldn't be in control of his own PR, but a fundamentally nice dude. I'm willing to work with that, since I understand it to a degree, and his customers seem quite happy with their mods.

If I fall into the kind of money required to get a Precise, it will be a much more even fight, that might even go the Precise's way. But I can't justify double the cost right now, when the benefits seem relatively slight. Although the P16 really is beautiful, and right in the size range I'm looking for. I don't mind having to go LiMN with that size battery.

I've been powering through the battery resources around here, and I get that most cases of battery failure have been either unprotect Li-Ion, or stacking, or insufficient amperage, or other user mistakes. There are a lot of people now using mods who know a lot less about batteries than even I did, and that's a bit frightening.

I'm spending the dead time between now and whenever I end up buying something trying to know as much as I need to about it, but, call me paranoid, if I wind up with Precise, I will still ask him to put vent holes in it. Unnecessary? Maybe, depending on the model. But it would make me feel better.

**Removed due to my wrong-ness. The Icon vents are open while vaping.**

Yeah, I've been hunting through the Mod List. I just figured I'd get everyone's opinions. Although it really doesn't seem like too many people have much bad to say about any of the mechanical mods - not surprising. :)
 
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Pure Smoker Icon with LR 306s. That's my all-day device and couldn't be happier.

+1.... I knew you'd come to the dark side Mistress. The Icon is also my all day every day. It couldn't have a simpler, more solid design. I works 100 percent of the time. The only iffy kinda complaint you may have is the weight. This is a little strange considering its size, but its a bit heavier than my wife's protege. To me it is a total non-issue, but just trying to be objective.
 
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What took the Icon off my list was that they sell it with unprotected batts, and while an owner has said they do supposedly have vent holes, they would be covered by the locking mechanism when the switch is open and you're using it, which I would think would be the time when you want the vent holes to be uncovered. Seems like they put them in more to say they had, than to have an actual safety feature.

I just want to clarify this point: The vent holes are covered when the switch is closed and locked. When the Icon is unlocked and in use, the vent holes are exposed. You can see them between the locking mechanism and the bottom of the button.
 

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Ah ok. Hard to see how it's oriented in the videos I was watching.

It is a very attractive mod. I just couldn't figure out how the vents were exposed.

Maybe this will help. It's a photo from the V3, but the Icon is exactly the same.

V3Switch7-1.jpg

The big metal part in the middle is the base of the button. The two holes are the vent holes; they go all the way through. The post on the button/locking mechanism (on the left) goes through the big hole in the middle. So when it's unlocked, those two vent holes are exposed.
 

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The new caps they are coming with look a LOT less like a garden hose...which has always been the major turn-off for me w/ the ST.

We think alike. Those end caps ARE hose bib caps and totally .... ugly. I've got both, the GGTB and P16......GGTB is a much better value and a killer mod
 

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We think alike. Those end caps ARE hose bib caps and totally .... ugly. I've got both, the GGTB and P16......GGTB is a much better value and a killer mod

See, you collectors are real handy. ;)

The P16 really does look like a quality mod, but I can't justify that price tag. It seems to me the GGTB actually does more, and yet costs less. Material, maybe? The GGTB is nickel-plated bronze, correct? That's all I can think of. I can't think of any reason why the P16 would be substantially better from a longevity standpoint.

It's weird, because you look at anything else GG and SuperT sells, and the prices are much more even. They're obviously the "big two" for beautiful, classy mods. The GG Slim and the P10 are direct competitors, and cost almost exactly the same.

But in this one niche of vapers (midsize, entry-level mechanical mod), there's an enormous price difference. I don't quite get it.
 
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See, you collectors are real handy. ;)

The P16 really does look like a quality mod, but I can't justify that price tag. It seems to me the GGTB actually does more, and yet costs less. Material, maybe? The GGTB is nickel-plated bronze, correct? That's all I can think of. I can't think of any reason why the P16 would be substantially better from a longevity standpoint.

It's weird, because you look at anything else GG and SuperT sells, and the prices are much more even. They're obviously the "big two" for beautiful, classy mods. The GG Slim and the P10 are direct competitors, and cost almost exactly the same.

But in this one niche of vapers (midsize, entry-level mechanical mod), there's an enormous price difference. I don't quite get it.

Quality..... Nickel Plated Bronze will tarnish and breakdown eventually, stainless steel will not.
 

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Heh, I've actually handled an original 905 (Nomad), which was being given away due to it nearly lighting the previous owner's bed on fire. I decided against it. ;) It didn't vape that well anyway, even on a fresh batt.

NurseCin, you have no idea how badly I wished that thing was any good! The Nomad has a Nomad. Har har.

Drozd, I get it about GG. I have certain well-liked companies I won't deal with for my own reasons as well. I see Imeo as being like most intelligent, inventive people - not very socially adept, and shouldn't be in control of his own PR, but a fundamentally nice dude. I'm willing to work with that, since I understand it to a degree, and his customers seem quite happy with their mods.

If I fall into the kind of money required to get a Precise, it will be a much more even fight, that might even go the Precise's way. But I can't justify double the cost right now, when the benefits seem relatively slight. Although the P16 really is beautiful, and right in the size range I'm looking for. I don't mind having to go LiMN with that size battery.

I've been powering through the battery resources around here, and I get that most cases of battery failure have been either unprotect Li-Ion, or stacking, or insufficient amperage, or other user mistakes. There are a lot of people now using mods who know a lot less about batteries than even I did, and that's a bit frightening.

I'm spending the dead time between now and whenever I end up buying something trying to know as much as I need to about it, but, call me paranoid, if I wind up with Precise, I will still ask him to put vent holes in it. Unnecessary? Maybe, depending on the model. But it would make me feel better.

**Removed due to my wrong-ness. The Icon vents are open while vaping.**

Yeah, I've been hunting through the Mod List. I just figured I'd get everyone's opinions. Although it really doesn't seem like too many people have much bad to say about any of the mechanical mods - not surprising. :)

I totally get it... like I said I was just answering things about vents, buttons on the end, and batteries...

I plan on having the vents added to the precise as well... and a chamfered top (because I don't like the totally flat top)...

end buttons ..the concern was raised and I was just saying that they're more natural than you'd think...it was originally a concern of mine as well...but the best way I can describe it is if you still have your dead eGo around...rest the end of it on your pinky knuckle..thunb on the button and index finger over the top along the cone...and just kinda squeeze your hand...you'll feel it...how the thumb and index finger kinda pushes down....that's all the effort that end buttons require...

and yeah I totally get the battery thing... and people not really knowing thier stuff... roly did a fantastic job assembling a lot of our almost incoherant ramblings into something... switched did a fantastic job putting one together for ikenvape as well..part of it is fighting an uphill battle against manufacturers and vendors who make some cheap battery suggestions that really arent the best choice...but you'll always have some user who as long as the battery is the right size will try and use it...

as for the imeo thing *shrug* it is what it is...it's a personal choice and I understand that I don't like the everyone's stealing my ideas and should be out of business thing combined with the screwing over of his former vendors... but that's my thing that I have to wrestle with...

just seems that as far as mods go...you and I are actually on the same page... all mechanical, longest lasting, as maintenance free as possible, and when maintenance is required it's easily user serviceable...in the smallest form factor for a decent battery life as possible...
 

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Jimi Mack - Yeah, that's obviously the one big difference. But he's selling it for 75 bucks, and the material itself is perfectly tough - the coating just won't last forever. When it starts to give, I can just buff it off. I like the look of bronze. Given the price point, and the degree of flexibility of the mod, that doesn't bother me much. But I would say that may be the biggest reason the GGTB is cheaper, you're right.

Drozd - I've spent ages reading Roly's posts! They're great. And it's amazing how the same battery model with different protection/chemistry make-up can be totally different in terms of performance and safety. I don't know why anyone buying their first mod doesn't feel a need to read it. You would think "EXPLODING MODS" would make someone want to at least have a look.

I think people get lulled into a false sense of security by the safety of stock batts. They just assume that whatever protection is in those, must be in all batteries. Whatever you want to say about stock batts, when was the last time you heard of one blowing up?

Mod manufacturers are used to the only people buying mods being really vetted vapers. For the most part, they could be trusted to more or less know what they were doing. That's changing now, as vaping is becoming more popular and less experienced people are seeing the options, and they need to get with the times before they start getting sued.

Honestly, I want to get a mod, and give away the rest of my stuff. I've got a list of broke smokers who can't afford the start-up cost of vaping. Unfortunately I'm out of usable cartos now (and just like I'm tired of flushing money on disposable batts, I'm tired of flushing money on disposable cartos, of any make or model). But the batts work fine, and I want to re-home them.

I just want a workhorse.
 
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