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Thanks Basil,
I do have to admit, my P18 came in today and is AWESOME. I just love the work and love that goes into each unit David produces.
With the new AW IC's combined with the ventholes, one has no clue that there is a bat in the P18. I am mad at myself for having waited so long to place my order, I was hemming and hawing. LOL.
As for the interference with my arthritis-None. This baby is as easy as the P10!
 

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Super T has a new model coming soon with a side button and I will be jumping on that the day it is released. He does make some of the best made Mods, I am just not a bottom throw guy.

The Shockwave-OMG. I am just so tired of the switch problems. I have yet to go down the "switch out my switch" problem and can't begin to imagine doing the deed myself. I just don't have the confidence nor the strength ability.
I have a Chameleon and the adapters need cleaning. Seems easy enough, push out the pin and clean. I can't get a grip good enough to get the dang pin out. Produced blisters on three fingers from trying for 2 days. I love, love the Chameleon, gave me the elegance, lightweight and constant vape that I wanted and needed. Just couldn't do the needed cleaning/maintenance myself. This is why I adore the P-line. I can change and clean everything myself and no switch to worry about. Not to mention the workmanship of each and every piece he puts out there.
I took a chance on the bottom throw and it works for me. When I was first looking at the P-line, I started paying attention to how I held my other e-cigs. I noticed I kept my pinky around the bottom area anyways (stealth vaping). Figured it was worth a shot, if I didn't like it I knew I could sell it in the classifieds, as they go really fast-EVERY TIME.
No need, I love them and they work for me.
 

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I agree on the workmanship from Super T, that is why I am not too concerned with the Shockwave. If this is made to the same quality level as the P line, it will be outstanding. And I could never really get comfortable with my pinky on the end of a unit that long, it just seem to throw me off. I hold my longer PV's more like a cigar so the side switch works best for me. On something short like my Provape or BB, yeah I may be able to use the bottom throw.
 

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I agree on the workmanship from Super T, that is why I am not too concerned with the Shockwave. If this is made to the same quality level as the P line, it will be outstanding. And I could never really get comfortable with my pinky on the end of a unit that long, it just seem to throw me off. I hold my longer PV's more like a cigar so the side switch works best for me. On something short like my Provape or BB, yeah I may be able to use the bottom throw.
I use the inner part of my pinky knuckle, if you will. Not the tip. It's not unnatural. I have found from playing with the P18 that I can also use the fatty pad under my pinky to fire the unit. The small amount of weight from the all SS and the 18650 battery combo make this very easy.
An I'm a 5' girl (I give myself an inch) !
If I could have the confidence to change a switch the shockwave would be on my list!
 
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What a collection.
Oh man, you have one of the old style Chameleons. I'm drooling here. They won't make them with that switch anymore. I hear they are going to a bottom switch. How do you like it?

I think you need to give us a comparison review.


Question... since you have both styles, you might be the one to ask. The side switch vs bottom switch. I've thought the bottom switch would be awkward. I just can't imagine myself pushing up and in, sideways with the weakest finger on my hand. But from something you said got me thinking... so I held something in my hand about the same size and found that rather than push up with my pinky finger, it was more like supporting it and pulling down slightly with my index and thumb. A complete paradigm shift for me. And comfortable. And it does away with the assumption of awkwardness. Is that an accurate description? I'm obsessing a little because I'd hate to spend the money having never felt it, and hating the feel of the thing.
 
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What a collection.
Oh man, you have one of the old style Chameleons. I'm drooling here. They won't make them with that switch anymore. I hear they are going to a bottom switch. How do you like it?

I think you need to give us a comparison review.


Question... since you have both, you might be the one to ask. The side switch vs bottom switch. I've thought the bottom switch would awkward. I just can't imagine myself pushing up and in, sideways with the weakest finger on my hand. But from something you said got me thinking... so I held something in my hand about the same size and found that rather than push up with my pinky finger, it was more like supporting it and pulling down slightly with my index and thumb. A complete paradigm shift for me. And comfortable. And it does away with the assumption of awkwardness. Is that an accurate description? I'm obsessing a little because I'd hate to spend the money having never felt it, and hating the feel of the thing.

that's exactly how I work my bottom button devices...the rehomed superT s6 and soon to be precise... just rest the button on the pinky between first and second knuckle...pulling down slightly with index and thumb....with the index and thumb positioned just so it almost becomes as simple as just squeezing your hand slightly...I catch myself doing it with the way I hold my ego now too actually... the only thing that feels a bit foreign and different is getting used to holding my stand in box mod til I had all the $ for the precise...and the prototype box mod that I'm making myself (cuz that's a good deal larger than anything previously owned)...
 

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The Chameleon was my very first mod purchase.
Very light weight, never have to look for the button. The way the button is recessed is perfection. It has never fired while in a pocket, purse or sitting on the table.
Another plus is that I could stand it up or lay it on it's side. It does not roll like most mods will. It also came with all three adapters, because of this I was able to try out 801/901/510 atomizers and cartomizers.
The switch still works as it did back in November of '09. My only problem and I repeat MY PROBLEM, is due to weak finger/hand strength. I can not get the adapters broken down to clean them, Isaac will have to do this for me, they are brass and require cleaning. Obviously not constant, almost been a year and I have only cleaned what I can get to from the exterior. I liked it so much, I also picked up the 5v passthrough. Extremely scratch resistant finish ang fingerprint proof! I do keep an eye open in Isaac's Forum.
The P18 is one of my recent purchases.
I picked up the P10 for gotta get dressed up occasions. Loved the elegance factor so much and just could not pass up the P18. I tried to, just couldn't and gave in to the want.
Has more weight to it, which I like. I know it is in my hand and I like that feeling. I like the feeling of security that the P18 offers. I love the lifetime warranty. Cleaning this mod will be so easy. Break down and hand wash in the sink! Other than unscrewing a few parts-no break down needed. No switch to worry about and the throw is adjustable. No looking for the button on this bad boy either, it's right there just give it a little sqeeze with the fatty pad under your pinky! It will also pack a whallop if I ever have to throw a punch, hold it my hand like a roll of nickles! Might replace my P9 (khar) with my P18(SuperT),LOL.
The P18 reminds me of a house I have in AL. It has these brick columns inside and a massive brick fireplace that just screams, I am masculine/strong and I will not fail you. I love the sleekness and it seems to not hold fingerprints. I'll keep it wiped down though, cause that's just how I am.

I think one of the things people forget is that a large part of mods and how they perform is about the match of battery to atomizer to e-liquid. And not to forget, how we maintain them.
One also needs to know what their likes and dislikes really are, we need to purchase a mod that matches our personalities.
If you do your research and make purchases from well known vendors that have a proven track record of putting out quality work, you will make a great first mod purchase.
I read all threads in SuperT and Ikenvape forums, googled like crazy, read the goods and bads. One thing I never read was how unhappy anyone was with the actual products workmanship. They both have great customer service and always find time for their customers and for the window shoppers.
 

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My only problem and I repeat MY PROBLEM, is due to weak finger/hand strength. I can not get the adapters broken down to clean them, Isaac will have to do this for me, they are brass and require cleaning.

Me also, I gave up trying to get the adapters apart, so your not alone. lol
I just clean mine with brasso or Noxon on a q-tip to get all the nooks and crannies and it works great so getting them apart isn't that big of deal.( at least for me)
 
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What a collection.
Oh man, you have one of the old style Chameleons. I'm drooling here. They won't make them with that switch anymore. I hear they are going to a bottom switch. How do you like it?

I think you need to give us a comparison review.


Question... since you have both, you might be the one to ask. The side switch vs bottom switch. I've thought the bottom switch would awkward. I just can't imagine myself pushing up and in, sideways with the weakest finger on my hand. But from something you said got me thinking... so I held something in my hand about the same size and found that rather than push up with my pinky finger, it was more like supporting it and pulling down slightly with my index and thumb. A complete paradigm shift for me. And comfortable. And it does away with the assumption of awkwardness. Is that an accurate description? I'm obsessing a little because I'd hate to spend the money having never felt it, and hating the feel of the thing.

Exactly! You got it. I have arthritic knuckles and I have no problem using the bottom button. If you were to take one of my forefinger middle knuckles or pinky middle knuckles on my right hand and gently squeeze it, pain. I can pick something up and if not done just right the burning/stinging sensation kicks in.
One thing you can be sure of HyOnLyph, if you do get the Precise and decide you do not like it, which I doubt, you will be able to sell it for exact purchase price-no problem. They move so quickly.
 

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Exactly! You got it. I have arthritic knuckles and I have no problem using the bottom button. If you were to take one of my forefinger middle knuckles or pinky middle knuckles on my right hand and gently squeeze it, pain. I can pick something up and if not done just right the burning/stinging sensation kicks in.
One thing you can be sure of HyOnLyph, if you do get the Precise and decide you do not like it, which I doubt, you will be able to sell it for exact purchase price-no problem. They move so quickly.

Of the mods that you have, would you mind giving us an idea of battery life... like shortest to longest. I'm wondering if the P10 has a longer battery life than an eGo and how the Cameleon stacks up against the P16 etc...
 

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Of the mods that you have, would you mind giving us an idea of battery life... like shortest to longest. I'm wondering if the P10 has a longer battery life than an eGo and how the Cameleon stacks up against the P16 etc...

This is a hard one for me as I do not use my Ego nor my P10 as regular vaping devices. I would have to pull them out and do the battery test.
I have been using the Little Sister more as it is a variable voltage unit and can go through 3 sets (it takes 2 bats) of 10440's to make it through the day. Now these batteries are about 6 months old and were used for the P10 on special occasions. Been using the 10440's since April of this year. They are not holding the charge like they used to.
The 650mAh Ego (about 2 months old) will last me 7-8 hours of vaping.

With a 16340 battery in the Chameleon it would last me about 8 hours and sometimes I would stack for HV and I would get about 6-7 hours. I have only purchased 3 sets of the 16340's in a year.
The Precise I have will take the 3v 16340's from the Chameleon-I just have yet to try the P18 at HV (high voltage).

With the 18650 battery I get all day vaping, with a noticable drop in power at around 10 hours. These batteries are still pretty new. I purchased them for use in the Carlos Juice Box, which I received in mid January. Used them for about 2 weeks and packed them away. I am now using them in the P18.
I pulled them out in late September when I received the Phidias. I have used them exclusively and I still get a full day (11-12 hours) from them. I am using these in the P18 with a full 12 hours of vaping.

For more technical advice on batteries with proper testing Drozd and Switched are the big info guru's. All I can give is what my experience has been for the past year of vaping without taking notes and using meters to test voltages. I am going to pick one up soon so I can get this information under my belt!
I try not to allow a battery to deplete completely; although it has happened. When I get up in the morning is when I switch batteries, this way I am here while batteries are charging and can remove them when charged and I am able to keep an eye/nose out for any problems. Which I have yet to experience!
 
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a 10440 won't last nearly as long as an eGo...on the upside in most 10440 mods there's no mosfet to blow out which is what seems to be dying on the eGos with regards to LR atties... that being said the 10440 really isn't strong enough to run them either without overstressing and causing damage to the battery...

as far as battery life goes in regards to 14500, 16340, and 18650 go... if you're willing to do some math the best info I can give you is to just give you the math problem and explain it...
first you have to know what the amp draw is... that is simply the voltage divided by the resistance of your atty...
so a 1.5Ω LR atty on a 3.7V battery:
3.7V/1.5 =2.47A
or a standard joye 510 atty on a 3.7V battery:
3.7V/2.2 = 1.68A

now ideally you want batteries that have a max drain rate that is higer than the amp draw...else you get voltage sag (where the batteries aren't putting out the actual voltage but dropping the voltage) , overstressed batteries, and the charge and cycle life of the battery will drop over time...
so far I've found the following batteries to be able to handle any atty you throw at it:
for 3.7V:
any 18650 battery
AW 16340 IMR high drain
AW 14500 IMR high drain
for 6V:
stacked AW 16340 LiFePo4 (3V)
for 7.4V:
stacked AW 16340 IMR high drain

following that given the same atty and a sufficient battery there should be no difference in battery longevity from mod to mod they are just battery holders after all....

but now in regards to battery life...I'll show you why the amp draw matters and the actual math...
lets say that I'm running an AW 2600mAh 18650 battery
I put that 1.5Ω LR atty on it (the amp draw was 2.47A if you recall)
you take the amp draw in mA and divide by the mah rating of the battery... that gives you the c rate of discharge....so:
2470mA/ 2600mAh = 0.95C

then you would divide 60 minutes by that C rate...then multipy by 60 (that'll give you the continuous seconds per charge)...divide that by the average length of your button press and it'll give you the # of times you can press the button per charge of the battery.....so:
60min/0.95C = 63.16min *60 = 3789 seconds or 757 (5 second long) button presses

so with a 2.2Ω standard joye atty instead:
1680mA/2600mAh = 0.65C
60min/0.65C= 92min or 5538seconds or 1107 (5 second long) button presses

so you see that battery life per charge goes up as the resistance of your atty or carto goes up..
I use # of button presses because that accounts for differences in vape style ...hours will change dependant on heavy VS moderate VS light vaper...but the # of button presses won't just depends on how fast you run through them
the 18650 battery will lsat the longest (and in this battery size only you're looking for most mAh mixed with best QC and accurate mAh measurements)
then the AW 14500 IMR
then the AW 16340 IMR..

but if your atty/carto resistance is high enough which would mean a lower amp draw (and we're talking 1.3A or lower which would mean a resistance of 3.0Ω or higher) then other 14500 and 16340 batteries may be better as far as battery life goes..

this of course is for 3.7V.... other voltages everything changes...

so you see battery life is a bit nebulous because change one thing and it changes everything else....
 

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no problem :)
hopefully that didn't read like stereo instructions written in latin to everybody else tho...

(sheepishly raising my hand ... yep... I was overwhelmed.) But it's OK. I ponder the depths of the universe but can't remember to pay my light bill.

Einstein said, "reality is a very persistant illusion."
 
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