smoking and vaping

[Savu]

When I set up my sister's kit she said something that stuck with me and its been brewing in my mind since.
It seemed it nailed an essential truth behind this. Here it is with my own expansion on the theme.

vaping is different from smoking because you have choice and control. With vaping, you are free to choose the colour, size, cost and type of equipment. You can customize it, and you are actively engaged in its operation at all times. You mix or purchase the liquids, and you choose your flavour. You decide what nicotine level to use, and you are in control of what is going into your body. You also get to choose when to vape, you can take a puff and put it away, or take as many as you like.

The vaping industry for the most part discloses what the equipment does, what are the specs, and what the ingredients are. They meet and talk to their customers, and earn the trust of them.

The tobacco industry had their chance for decades, and they offered us deception, lies and destruction of our health. They innovated by putting little holes in the filters so they can call it light. Sold us images of luxury and horsemen and marketed to young people. Lied about the product and its effects, evaded responsibility, and talked to us through insulting fake lobby groups under the pretence of smokers "rights". Their lawyers fought against proper labelling and listing the poisons inside their products which have not become any better, any safer in a hundred years.

When someone tells me in either ignorance or cynicism "what's the point, you're still doing it" I calmly and directly respond by saying "No, it is not the same. It is exactly opposite".

Vaping is freedom from tobacco, and a pleasure in itself. How lucky we are.

 

[DemonCleaner]

When I set up my sister's kit she said something that stuck with me and its been brewing in my mind since.
It seemed it nailed an essential truth behind this. Here it is with my own expansion on the theme.

Vaping is different from smoking because you have choice and control. With vaping, you are free to choose the colour, size, cost and type of equipment. You can customize it, and you are actively engaged in its operation at all times. You mix or purchase the liquids, and you choose your flavour. You decide what nicotine level to use, and you are in control of what is going into your body. You also get to choose when to vape, you can take a puff and put it away, or take as many as you like.

The vaping industry for the most part discloses what the equipment does, what are the specs, and what the ingredients are. They meet and talk to their customers, and earn the trust of them.

The tobacco industry had their chance for decades, and they offered us deception, lies and destruction of our health. They innovated by putting little holes in the filters so they can call it light. Sold us images of luxury and horsemen and marketed to young people. Lied about the product and its effects, evaded responsibility, and talked to us through insulting fake lobby groups under the pretence of smokers "rights". Their lawyers fought against proper labelling and listing the poisons inside their products which have not become any better, any safer in a hundred years.

When someone tells me in either ignorance or cynicism "what's the point, you're still doing it" I calmly and directly respond by saying "No, it is not the same. It is exactly opposite".

Vaping is freedom from tobacco, and a pleasure in itself. How lucky we are.

True. I still want an effing cigarette.

 

[Rttch]

The motto of vapers is "choice" and this describes it all in full detail. I applaud thee with a standing ovation!

 

[KillFace]

True. I still want an effing cigarette.

It'll pass. I can't stand cigarettes now. Anytime I'm near one, it makes me want to vomit.

Hang in there.

 

[DemonCleaner]

It'll pass. I can't stand cigarettes now. Anytime I'm near one, it makes me want to vomit.

Hang in there.

Lol. Thanks. It's been two years. It doesn't pass. For me, anyhow.

 

[Oriana871]

Sigh... all great except that one day in the not so far future, ecigs will become so popular that HC will have no choice (in their eyes) but to gain complete control of the product. Rules and restrictions will be enforced, ecig suppliers could comply but the legalities will be costly, small businesses will go under, the rich tobacco companies will buy out successful ecig companies... long story short, the underground ecig revolution will become mainstream corporate and then we'll be back at square one.

 

[Northernshrink]

Sigh... all great except that one day in the not so far future, ecigs will become so popular that HC will have no choice (in their eyes) but to gain complete control of the product. Rules and restrictions will be enforced, ecig suppliers could comply but the legalities will be costly, small businesses will go under, the rich tobacco companies will buy out successful ecig companies... long story short, the underground ecig revolution will become mainstream corporate and then we'll be back at square one.

Sadly probably a very true statement.

 

[Savu]

Sigh... all great except that one day in the not so far future, ecigs will become so popular that HC will have no choice (in their eyes) but to gain complete control of the product. Rules and restrictions will be enforced, ecig suppliers could comply but the legalities will be costly, small businesses will go under, the rich tobacco companies will buy out successful ecig companies... long story short, the underground ecig revolution will become mainstream corporate and then we'll be back at square one.

I disagree with some of your points. These are my opinions:

1. Yes, ecig will go mainstream, and it will shut down some of the small guys. It will be a bittersweet thing as we see everyone jumping on but it will make the vaper community cringe a bit when some of the products will be overpriced bc they have whatever branding and marketing and not necessarily the features/values. Whatever .. there will be places in the market for everyone.

2. I strongly doubt ANY big tobacco company will make the transition, and here is why. 1 ) Their brands are not associated with good health in the public eye 2) Even if they have loyal followers who will happily buy tobacco ecigs, think, do you think any of these dinosours have the capacity for such a change in their business? They are too proud, set in their ways to make the leap. Maybe a few exceptions will (like Fujifilm who got out of film business). Look at Kodak - they just can't. They don't even know who to run a honest and competitive business for crying out loud. They'll get "smoked" by the real businesses LOL

3. What happens with any outside movement is that it goes right into the mainstream when the time is right. It will be a mixed bag. It's more likely that Apple or Coca Cola will get into ecig business than British Tobacco. Don't count out government - they have a chance to get it right this time (at least halfway right). They enforce safety, collect their taxes, and don't let a handful of companies dictate everything this time.

 

[ChellyNelly]

E-cigs can already be bought at almost any gas station, Wal-Mart, or Dollar Store in most cities. They're all over the movies and television lately. I would say they have already gone "mainstream" or are very close to it. HC hasn't done a thing yet. I'm not too worried.

 

[Hitmetwice]

Perhaps if we get a doctors note we'll be able to pay a premium price
for some watered down mexican e-liquid with chinese nicotine in it...

ed: and we all know about water quality in mexico

 

[zer0ith]

Still to this day I still like the smell of some unlit tobaccos.

I won't smoke it though

 

[shockabsorber]

I have the perfect solution to avoid our current small business vendors from going under when "it all goes mainstream" : Keep buying from them!

 

[Maestro]

When the hammer falls, it's going to be on the juice suppliers. That's the easiest target and the most defendable. All they really have to do is get militant at customs and no one gets any nic. Unless someone in Canada manufactures it, things will dry up.

 

[Savu]

I have the perfect solution to avoid our current small business vendors from going under when "it all goes mainstream" : Keep buying from them!

I'm with you. There will always be the hardcore loyal vaper community.

 

[Savu]

When the hammer falls, it's going to be on the juice suppliers. That's the easiest target and the most defendable. All they really have to do is get militant at customs and no one gets any nic. Unless someone in Canada manufactures it, things will dry up.

I hope we never see that day come. It seems unfathomable that liquid nicotine would be strictly outlawed and made unavailable, when tobacco and nicotine gums and patches are readily available. Not to mention alcohol, and medical m******a. Even it they try, it will still get into the country, from what I hear prohibition in the US didn't really stop folks from getting booze.

 

[Oriana871]

I'm thinking more along the lines of a new fad that makes too much sense to squelch, but is strangled by laws, regulations, $$. It's categorized, ie, what is acceptable and what isn't, what is legal, what are you ALLOWED. Streamlined, marketed, taxed. Ya know. It may not be happening now but let's just wait and see. Could be 1 year, could be 5.

I've got optimism oozing out of my pours eh? I really hope it's realism over pessimism. I do hope and pray that none of my predictions come true.

 

[Kevofar]

Having been a smoker and being pushed outside <hell when my mom had her gall bladder out in the 70's we smoked in her room at the hosp> and made a pariah because I could hurt someone else with my 2nd hand smoke, I really dont want to see that happen to vaping.

If we are respectfull with our PV's and vapor then I haven't run into a problem vaping or getting supplys. The only time I have seen or heard of there being a problem is when we are flaunting it or forcing it on others.

As much as we all like seeing plooms of vapor save that for at home or out with other vapors or outside. When indoors ask permission 1st and then stealth vape as much as possible.

JMHO

 

[shades]

I completely agree with this Kevofar, I was at a pool hall/bar for a concert last night, talked to the bartender/owner he said it was cool. One of the servers pulled him over to me because she thought I was smoking some sort of a pipe, he pointed to it and said it was a vaporiser and he was cool with it.

Then later between bands, the other owner came over and said if you don't mind not using that we would appreciate it, others are thinking you are smoking and we dont want people thinking they can light up.

I said sure thing nps put it in my pocket and vaped outside with the analogers for the rest of the night. They were cool enough to allow me initially, but when it looked to be an issue/headache for them, they were not ignorant about it, and I respected them.

Give respect, you get respect.

 

[WolfeReign]

Sigh... all great except that one day in the not so far future, ecigs will become so popular that HC will have no choice (in their eyes) but to gain complete control of the product. Rules and restrictions will be enforced, ecig suppliers could comply but the legalities will be costly, small businesses will go under, the rich tobacco companies will buy out successful ecig companies... long story short, the underground ecig revolution will become mainstream corporate and then we'll be back at square one.

Then on August 8th (808) or May 10th (510) we sit in on City hall steps (or was it Parliament) and vape like crazy demanding they make it legal

Give respect, you get respect.

Could not agree more. My sister in law who is a smoker and lost her breast's due to cancer (cannot think of the official term for the surgery) really does not like the idea of smoking, neither do the parents in law in their home, so i am not shy about stepping out side to vape while i visit with them. On the same token they know full well what my equipment is and that it is nothing like smoking at all, but when they come to visit us i do not mind if the flavors of that day bother them going to a different room either.

Of course on the same token i get bribed with 2 or 3 freshly baked apple pies and a few loafs of home made bread time to time so it works out for me

 

[SloHand]

If you have never seen Bebe's (from the Fraser Show) monologue on why smoking is wonderful ..... unfortunately whats missing in this clip is the end of the show when all the characters are hiding out in the condo somewhere sneaking a cigarette.