Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY
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So someone with political insight enlighten me. What are the avenues left for e-cigarette supporters to get their viewpoints heard? For the life of me I can't see the U.S. government actually banning e-cigs indefinitely. They are a safer alternative to smoking.
Protests?
Campaigns?
Legal?
There have to be more options.
Where is our organization in all of this? Who(m) is heading up the fight to get our side of the story heard by the right people?
I really hate a defeatist or apathetic attitude and I hope I'm not seeing that here. I just have not, as of yet, seen any results.
Protests?
Campaigns?
Legal?
There have to be more options.
Where is our organization in all of this? Who(m) is heading up the fight to get our side of the story heard by the right people?
I really hate a defeatist or apathetic attitude and I hope I'm not seeing that here. I just have not, as of yet, seen any results.
I am very interested in the out come of this trial, should the e cig be banned in the USA, I wonder how many other countries will follow the same line.
Sun, you seem to have become the legal go to person what do you think about this: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../29886-could-we-establish-new-religion-2.html could it work to save our beloved devices?
Mac--unfortunatly no--It goes to 2 issues. The first being is Safety---safety will always trump Religion even is where there is a seperation of Church and State argument, religion will give way to govermental actions of saftey. The second, is the "indended use". The religion has to show that it is not a shame and that is being used pretextually for the end result to be to circumvent the law and regulations imposed.
There are not many options avaliable to us for the simple reason that the manufacuters did not adheare to or comply with any regulatory scheme in the US---rather they just put them into commerece knowing full well that they would be subject to attack. Now that the cat is out of the bag, it is very difficult if not impossible to but it back.
I might add that the Nicotrol inhalaler is about to go OTC---interesting timing????
Sun
What if a difinitive report was released that proved they were safer? Many religions already support the concept of reducing the number of toxins you imbibe as an adherant don't they? seems like that would be a legit basis.
And finally e-cigs aren't technically illegal yet are they? I mean if someone acted quickly enough to incorporate the church then a study was released quickly wouldn't outlawing these devices in the US be unconstitutional?
Mac--It goes to timing---if this was done say 8 months ago before the FDA started manuvering and making announcements that the e-cig was not legal to import market, or sell in the US--there might have been a change there. Now, with embargos in place, litigation in full grear, and state AG's offices like Oregon imposing enforcement action, any attempt to legitimize the e-cig though the use of religion would fail as a pretextual shame at this point. A religoin needs "deep seeded roots" with the "employment and use" of the "disputed" item. We do not have that here. What we do have is a device, that if proved safe, should be made available to the consumer with reasonable regulations.
Remember Mac--consumers and suppliers got caught in the crossfire here of the manufacutures "cavalier" approch in flooding the market with these devices knowing full well they had not sought the requisite approvals or preformed the necessary studies.
Again, we must all look at other devices that have played by the rules and gotten approval. If they work is not the question. The e-cig could and hopefully will be a huge success---the manufacuters just have to stop the greed route they have been on and re-invest some of the profits to get on board and get approval.
Sun
The Docket sheet showed no movement today. We await futher filings before the big August 17th hearing.
Sun
Sun
Thanks for an update... This thread has become a "must" stop on my daily website hopping routine.
Today, there was no movement on the Docket Sheet--the calm before the storm.
Sun
Sun
Thank you Sun for all that you've done and all the time and effort you have put into this business! I appreciate it along with everyone else!
Keep Vaping while we can,
Adam
Keep Vaping while we can,
Adam
I really wish i understand even 10% of all of this.. But even still Thank you sun
You and me both....
The only thing I do know is, every little bit of money I get, I'm stocking up on parts and juice.
It would be nice to keep this thread on point, because many people, myself included, come here for court updates, not personal opinion and/or rants. Thanks Sun.
I agree TB....I think a "Thank You Sun" is sufficiant enough! Getting the updates daily is good enough for me and appreciated!
The Wiz!
True, true. I'd like to read Sun's updates without other stuff which can be posted somewhere else. And that's all I have to say and no more, LOL
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