Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

[StormFinch]

Elaine - check this out: Lobbyists feel good by doing good - Lisa Lerer - POLITICO.com

Thanks SmokeyJoe. That was one, and here is another I had been reading; http://classic.cof.org/files/Documents/Conferences/CivicEngagementresource-5.pdf

I'm still doing research as well and will let you know what I might find.

Edit: Oh, well never mind, check the link for the website at the end of the article I posted above. I think that may be just what your looking for Vocalek.

 

[Vocalek]

Thanks to both of you!

P.S. to StormFinch. Love your Groucho Marx quote. Very appropriate to the situation.

 

[eric]

Today, all the "big guns" filed a Motion for Leave of the Court to file an Amicus Brief. With these groups, you can rest assured that their Motion will be granted. Have to like that 'tobacco-Free Kids". No kid is going to ever take the time or effort to mantain one of these e-cigs. It is just not plausable.​

Sun​

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The FDA is really taking this e-cig matter way too seriously.

There is no doubt they have no consideration for the health of smokers and ex-smokers, and if they don't value our lives, you can bet your bottom dollar they don't value the lives of non-smokers either. Declaring war on the electronic cigarette while the deadly tobacco cigarette still roams free on the market is proof the FDA has no moral compass and is just a government bureaucracy serving the interests of corporations.

We need to assemble at FDA headquarters in Chicago and demand they back off from the case against e-cigs.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Today, all the "big guns" filed a Motion for Leave of the Court to file an Amicus Brief. With these groups, you can rest assured that their Motion to file will be granted. Looks more like a "title wave" then a Motion coming right at us.

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Sun​

MOTION OF THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, AMERICAN
CANCER SOCIETY CANCER ACTION NETWORK, AMERICAN HEART
ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN LEGACY FOUNDATION, AMERICAN LUNG
ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, CAMPAIGN FOR
tobacco-FREE KIDS, AND PUBLIC CITIZEN FOR LEAVE TO PARTICIPATE AS
AMICI CURIAE SUPPORTING THE APPELLANTS, FDA ​

...........The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Cancer Society Cancer Action Network, the American Heart Association, the American Legacy Foundation, the American Lung Association, the American Medical Association, the Campaignfor Tobacco-Free Kids, and Public Citizen respectfully move this Court for leave to participate as amici curiae in the above-captioned case.The proposed amici are all national organizations committed to preserving the public health and have each been at the forefront of efforts to curb the use of cigarette and other nicotine-delivery products in the United States. As such, the proposed amici have a strong interest in the question of whether FDA may regulate the electronic nicotine-deliveryproducts at issue in this case...........​

(1) The American Academy of Pediatrics----60,000 primary care physicians,
pediatric medical subspecialists, and pediatric surgical specialists. AAP has engaged in broad and continuous efforts to prevent harm to the health of children and adolescents caused by the use of tobacco products and exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke......................

(2) The American Cancer Society ("ACS") has more than three million volunteers
nationwide, including 50,000 physicians. , helping to educate government officials on cancer as a public policy issue. ACS CAN has almost half a million grassroots advocates............​

(3) The American Heart Association (“AHA”) with 22.5 million volunteers and supporters in nearly 2,000 community. lives. AHA has long been active before Congress and regulatory agencies on tobacco related issues............................


(4) American Legacy Foundation develops programs that address the health effects of tobacco use.........................


(5) The American Lung Association (“ALA”) has nearly 400,000 volunteers. Since cigarette smoking is a major cause of chronic obstructive lung disease, ALA has long been active in research, education and public policy advocacy on the adverse health effects of tobacco products. ALA has advocated for the regulation of these products for more than two decades.......................


(6) The American Medical Association (“AMA”), an association of approximately 240,000 physicians, residents, and medical
students, The AMA has long had an interest in the regulation of tobacco products and the tobacco industry. As an institution, it has developed expertise in the pharmacology of nicotine, the toxic effects of cigarette smoke, and the societal implications of tobacco usage.................

(7). The Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids works to raise awareness that cigarette
smoking is a public health hazard by advocating public policies to limit the marketing and sales of tobacco to children............................

(8) Public Citizen , with more than 200,000 members and subscribers nationwide. Public Citizen has long been active before Congress, regulatory agencies, and the courts in matters relating to public health in general and regulation by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in particular. Concerned about the severe health risk posed by tobacco products. Public Citizen has long advocated for increased regulation of these products and of the promotional efforts of the tobacco industry...........................................
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[Our House]

Wait, if there's no agenda involved why are all these anti-tobacco groups coming in to oppose the import of something they are deeming to be a "non-tobacco" product?? That in itself speaks volumes about their motives, and I can only hope that the court sees the same thing.

This case shouldn't be any of their concern (unless of course they are financially committed to making sure people use OTHER tobacco products!) If too many people go tobacco-free, at least half of those organizations will go out of business.

Am I missing something?

 

[karmatized]

that makes me sick i swear

 

[Oliver]

Oh my goodness - this is just unbearable.

 

[mixitman]

It's all about the money. 'Nuff said.

 

[thorn]

The FDA is really taking this e-cig matter way too seriously.

There is no doubt they have no consideration for the health of smokers and ex-smokers, and if they don't value our lives, you can bet your bottom dollar they don't value the lives of non-smokers either. ...

Watch a PBS program sometime on where your meat and dairy come from and you'll understand the FDA doesn't give a crap about anybody. Free range farms and unadulterated foods are a thing of the past.

 

[StormFinch]

Alright, once everyone has had a chance to pick their jaws up off the floor...

Has anyone been in contact with the Washington Legal Foundation, the group filing an Amicus for SE & NJoy? Since we seem to be the best informed both as users and fact gatherers, wouldn't it be beneficial to them to make sure they have bullets in their guns? After the most recent event, I for one would like to see them point out to the court that all of the associations, societies, etc. are feeding the public doctored numbers and outright lies. Not to mention the fact that the ALA has come right out and said that they would rather us smoke than use an e-cigarette.

 

[JerryRM]

Today, all the "big guns" filed a Motion for Leave of the Court to file an Amicus Brief. With these groups, you can rest assured that their Motion to file will be granted. Looks more like a "title wave" then a Motion coming right at us.

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Sun​

MOTION OF THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, AMERICAN
CANCER SOCIETY CANCER ACTION NETWORK, AMERICAN HEART
ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN LEGACY FOUNDATION, AMERICAN LUNG
ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, CAMPAIGN FOR
TOBACCO-FREE KIDS, AND PUBLIC CITIZEN FOR LEAVE TO PARTICIPATE AS
AMICI CURIAE SUPPORTING THE APPELLANTS, FDA ​

Sun, it looks like they got their marching orders from BP and BT. Notice how they all filed at the same time? Very interesting !!!
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Oh my goodness - this is just unbearable.

SJ, big business runs this country.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Alright, once everyone has had a chance to pick their jaws up off the floor...

Has anyone been in contact with the Washington Legal Foundation, the group filing an Amicus for SE & NJoy? Since we seem to be the best informed both as users and fact gatherers, wouldn't it be beneficial to them to make sure they have bullets in their guns? After the most recent event, I for one would like to see them point out to the court that all of the associations, societies, etc. are feeding the public doctored numbers and outright lies. Not to mention the fact that the ALA has come right out and said that they would rather us smoke than use an e-cigarette.

The Washington Legal Foundation is a well known group--but only in the legal community. They do not have the clout or the power of these groups either in the Courts or the with the Public.


Sun

 

[eric]

It's all about the money. 'Nuff said.

Yeah, well, we just sit here and take it.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

Yeah, well, we just sit here and take it.

Eric--there is some other movement in the works that I already spoke to and will not address again. But when you have these types of groups involved in opposition to e-cigs, it is an uphill battle my friend.


Sun

 

[LoneRanger]

Remember-The fat lady has not sung yet.

 

[DC2]

What we need is for as many groups as possible to get together and file an Amicus brief.

For starters, folks like CASAA, AAPHP, Smokefree Pennsylvania.
Add to that as many any others who are sympathetic to our cause as we can find.

Because yikes, those are some really big, hard-to-ignore names on there.

It hate to say it but that is a very impressive list.
And it is actually scaring me.

 

[kristin]

Maybe we need to set up a petition, signed by hundreds of thousands of vapers, to tell these groups that we will go right back to smoking if they cause ecigs to become unavailable to us and then send it to them.

 

[eric]

Eric--there is some other movement in the works that I already spoke to and will not address again. But when you have these types of groups involved in opposition to e-cigs, it is an uphill battle my friend.


Sun

I've attempted to contact Deborah Shelton on numerous occasions and have received no response.

 

[mwa102464]

These Boneheads all want us to smoke in my honest opinion, if everyone smoked people die, then there is more money to be made by the entire package of these groups, fumd raising med bill dr's bills ins rates and on and on and on it's a crazy system and the old mighty dollar and politics rule for sure, meanwhile we have the president smoking and backing big tobacco, I see the course this thing is taking, Bottom line is how are they going to place the extra taxes on Vapor ??? they cant but only tax the sales unlike anologs.!!! Our system sucks right now

 

[mwa102464]

Someone needs to put an e-cig in the hands of our mighty President (Joke on mighty ) and ask him the big question and to get the facts while taking the power away from the FDA until further notice. I for one would also like to see the Presidents answers to some of our questions on this forum for sure, he would look like the idiot he is answering them