Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY

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kai kane

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So what we need then is a slightly altered (on a molecular level) nicotine that is then patented. Then it won't be the same as BP's nicotine and we'll be golden with the FDA. Is that what I'm getting from all this?

They (FDA) have you covered; it would be classified as a "new drug". And immediately banned.

All in all, this points to a "corporate" or "non-human" exercise of control over humans, for the sake of 'power'.

Which in this age, is cash. The FDA is a corporate tool. We live in strange times, folks.

Any updates on the current 'non-human' attempts of control by the FDA?
 

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Diamond Food Inc. 2/22/10

It's another, I Kid You Not.

Based on claims made on your firm's website, we have determined that your walnut products are promoted for conditions that cause them to be drugs because these products are intended for use in the prevention, mitigation, and treatment of disease. The following are examples of the claims made on your firm's website under the heading of a web page stating "OMEGA-3s ... Every time you munch a few walnuts, you're doing your body a big favor.":
• "Studies indicate that the omega-3 fatty acids found in walnuts may help lower cholesterol; protect against heart disease, stroke and some cancers; ease arthritis and other inflammatory diseases; and even fight depression and other mental illnesses."

• "[O]mega-3 fatty acids inhibit the tumor growth that is promoted by the acids found in other fats ... "

• "n treating major depression, for example, omega-3s seem to work by making it easier for brain cell receptors to process mood-related signals from neighboring neurons."

• "The omega-3s found in fish oil are thought to be responsible for the significantly lower incidence of breast cancer in Japanese women as compared to women in the United States."

Because of these intended uses, your walnut products are drugs within the meaning of section 201 (g)(1)(B) of the Act [21 U.S.C. § 321(g)(B)]. Your walnut products are also new drugs under section 201(p) of the Act [21 U.S.C. § 321(p)] because they are not generally recognized as safe and effective for the above referenced conditions. Therefore, under section 505(a) of the Act [21 U.S.C. § 355(a)], they may not be legally marketed with the above claims in the United States without an approved new drug application.


Didn't the FDA also try this with folic acid ... and they got shot down by the Courts?

This was specifically referenced in the comments submitted to the FDA by Washington Legal Foundation with case citation included.

The courts have repeatedly made clear that FDA enforcement activity is subject to the First Amendment rules regarding allocation of burden of proof in First Amendment cases. For example, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit held recently that the First Amendment imposes strict limitations on FDA’s power to restrict health claims made by manufacturers of dietary supplements, even when the claims are made on the product label. Pearson v. Shalala, 164 F.3d 650 (D.C. Cir. 1999) (“Pearson I”). In overturning a district court decision that had upheld FDA’s outright ban on such claims when use of disclaimers might have responded fully to FDA’s concerns, the appeals court stated:

The government insists that it is never obliged to utilize the disclaimer approach,
because the commercial speech doctrine does not embody a preference for
disclosure over outright suppression. Our understanding of the doctrine is different.
. . . In more recent cases, the [Supreme] Court has . . . repeatedly point[ed] to
disclaimers as constitutionally preferable to outright suppression.

Id. at 657. The court added, “[W]hen government chooses a policy of suppression over
disclosure – at least where there is no showing that disclosure would not suffice to cure
misleadingness – government disregards a ‘far less restrictive’ means” of achieving its policy interests. Id. at 658 (quoting Bd. of Trustees of SUNY, 492 U.S. at 479).

On remand, FDA’s First Amendment arguments were again rejected. The district court granted a preliminary injunction against FDA’s continued violation of First Amendment rights; the court required FDA to approve a health claim (for inclusion on product labeling for folic acid) regarding the positive relationship between consumption of folic acid and prevention of birth defects. Pearson v. Shalala, 130 F. Supp. 2d 105 (D.D.C. 2001) (“Pearson II”). The district court was harshly critical of FDA’s continued resistance to court orders that it comply with the First Amendment; the court said:

t is clear that the FDA simply failed to comply with the constitutional guidelines
outlined in Pearson . Indeed, the agency appears to have at best, misunderstood,
and at worst, deliberately ignored, highly relevant portions of the Court of Appeals
Opinion.

Pearson II, 130 F. Supp. 2d at 112. The court held that under the First Amendment, FDA “must shoulder a very heavy burden if it seeks to totally ban a particular health claim.” Id. at 118. The court held that FDA had failed to meet that burden; it held that “[t]he mere absence of significant affirmative evidence in support of a particular [health] claim . . . does not translate into negative evidence ‘against’ it.” Id. at 115. In other words, the court held, any FDA efforts to regulate manufacturer dissemination of unapproved health claims must take the form of disclaimer requirements rather than outright bans on the claims, unless FDA can demonstrate that the claims are “against” the great weight of the scientific literature.3 The district court later denied FDA’s motion for reconsideration of the preliminary injunction order. Noting that FDA’s “arguments contained in the motion for reconsideration further demonstrate Defendants’ reluctance to fully comply with Pearson I,” the court reiterated its conclusion:

[T]he philosophy underlying Pearson I is perfectly clear: that the First Amendment
analysis in Central Hudson . . . applies in this case, and that if a health claim is not
inherently misleading, the balance tilts in favor of disclaimers rather than
suppression. In its motion for reconsideration, the FDA has again refused to accept
the reality and finality of that conclusion by the Court of Appeals.

Pearson v. Thompson, 141 F. Supp. 2d 105, 112 (D.D.C. 2001).
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There is a lot of posturing going on here in this thread, which is fine.

There needs to be a balance right now, between fearmongering and providing hope. We can not sit back and feel all will just work out, or others will do the work for us, so we need to be scared into taking action. On the other hand, we can't be so scared that we decide nothing we do will have any effect.

It is clear our combined efforts ARE having an effect.
It is also clear that we can not stop, and indeed have to always try to step up those efforts.

Scaring people into action is a good thing.
Lulling them into inaction is a bad thing.

Conversely, scaring people into inaction is a bad thing as well.
The whole thing is a fine line to walk.
 
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Regardless of the merits of FDA's interpretation of Diamond Walnut's marketing claims, the FDA's letter to Diamond Walnut also stated:

You should take prompt action to correct these violations. Failure to do so may result in regulatory action without further notice. Such action may include, but is not limited to, seizure or injunction.

In sharp contrast to FDA actions on e-cigarettes, the FDA didn't respond to Diamond by:
- blocking/seizing Diamond Walnuts,
- blocking/seizing walnuts sold by other companies,
- claiming that all walnuts are drug devices (simply because Diamond made a marketing claim),
- holding a press conference demonizing waltnuts as toxic, carcinogenic and unsafe, claiming that Diamond and other walnut companies were target marketing their drugs to children, etc.
 

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There is a lot of posturing going on here in this thread, which is fine.

There needs to be a balance right now, between fearmongering and providing hope. We can not sit back and feel all with work out, or others will do the work for us, so we need to be scared into taking action. On the other hand, we can't be so scared that we decide nothing we do with have any effect.

It is clear our combined efforts ARE having an effect.
It is also clear that we can not stop, and indeed have to always try to step up those efforts.

Scaring people into action is a good thing.
Lulling them into inaction is a bad thing.

Conversely, scaring people into inaction is a bad thing as well.
The whole thing is a fine line to walk.


DC2---Personally I do not think anybody is "scaring" anyone. I for one, am simply calling a spade a spade. Everyone can have their opinion as to how this is going to turn out. I think we have an uphill battle, but that is me. So people can "walk" what ever line they choose.

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curiousJan

What lawsuit was the WLF filing to the FDA (that you posted above)? As it doesn't appear to deal with Diamond Walnuts or Smoking Everywhere v FDA.

Someone previously stated the WLF is/was filing an amicus brief in the SE v FDA case.

Please provide more information, and if possible, the actual filing. Or was that just someone speculating (as often occurs on this website).
 

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curiousJan

What lawsuit was the WLF filing to the FDA (that you posted above)? As it doesn't appear to deal with Diamond Walnuts or Smoking Everywhere v FDA.

Someone previously stated the WLF is/was filing an amicus brief in the SE v FDA case.

Please provide more information, and if possible, the actual filing. Or was that just someone speculating (as often occurs on this website).


Bill---The Washington Legal Foundation filed their Motion to file an Amicus Brief with the Court within the 60 day filing period on April 2, 2010. They have not filed their Brief to date.

EDIT--Just to note that they will in fact be filing a Brief.


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Regardless of the merits of FDA's interpretation of Diamond Walnut's marketing claims, the FDA's letter to Diamond Walnut also stated:

You should take prompt action to correct these violations. Failure to do so may result in regulatory action without further notice. Such action may include, but is not limited to, seizure or injunction.

In sharp contrast to FDA actions on e-cigarettes, the FDA didn't respond to Diamond by:
- blocking/seizing Diamond Walnuts,
- blocking/seizing walnuts sold by other companies,
- claiming that all walnuts are drug devices (simply because Diamond made a marketing claim),
- holding a press conference demonizing waltnuts as toxic, carcinogenic and unsafe, claiming that Diamond and other walnut companies were target marketing their drugs to children, etc.

And this bears repeating, as often and as publicly as possible.......it shows the gross negligence of the FDA to excersize it's mandated powers fairly and across the board.

Like that which was brought up at the IL hearing: "If I bottled water, and sold my brand of water with the claims that it could cure cancer - would you shut down the entire bottled water industry? No. You would shut ME down."

It was the same thing we saw with Cheerio's last summer - the FDA stepped in and told them they were making health claims, and told them to stop making such claims....OR pull their product until a new drug ap. could be tendered. They didn't threaten to shut down the cereal industry.
 

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So then does it boil down to the fact that websites just need to change their wording? Prominently displaying that the e-cig is a replacement for a tobacco cigarette and NOT a method for quitting smoking? I personally would agree that the e-cig does NOT cure an addiction to nicotine although it works that way for some people. It seems to me reading these posts that what needs to be investigated is the FDA.
 

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curiousJan

What lawsuit was the WLF filing to the FDA (that you posted above)? As it doesn't appear to deal with Diamond Walnuts or Smoking Everywhere v FDA.

Someone previously stated the WLF is/was filing an amicus brief in the SE v FDA case.

Please provide more information, and if possible, the actual filing. Or was that just someone speculating (as often occurs on this website).

<Edited to remove information provided more completely and accurately by Sun mere posts before this one>

The quoted material was contained in their response to the FDA's request for comments on the Tobacco Control Act (available at Welcome to the Washington Legal Foundation and by direct link: http://www.wlf.org/Upload/litigation/briefs/ModifiedRiskTobaccoProducts.pdf)

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So then does it boil down to the fact that websites just need to change their wording? Prominently displaying that the e-cig is a replacement for a tobacco cigarette and NOT a method for quitting smoking? I personally would agree that the e-cig does NOT cure an addiction to nicotine although it works that way for some people. It seems to me reading these posts that what needs to be investigated is the FDA.


Devil--According to the FDA the answer is no---they argue that the e-cig is a new "drug" and delivery device (medical device) and needs to go though the whole application and approval process and all e-cigs should be banned until/if they are approved.

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And this bears repeating, as often and as publicly as possible.......it shows the gross negligence of the FDA to excersize it's mandated powers fairly and across the board.

Like that which was brought up at the IL hearing: "If I bottled water, and sold my brand of water with the claims that it could cure cancer - would you shut down the entire bottled water industry? No. You would shut ME down."

It was the same thing we saw with Cheerio's last summer - the FDA stepped in and told them they were making health claims, and told them to stop making such claims....OR pull their product until a new drug ap. could be tendered. They didn't threaten to shut down the cereal industry.

True enough Vicks, but the problem is that neither Cheerios nor bottled water are a threat to BP, BT and excise taxes.
 

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Today the Motion filed by AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS, AMERICAN CANCER SOCIETY CANCER ACTION NETWORK, AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN LEGACY FOUNDATION, AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION, AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION, CAMPAIGN FOR TOBACCO-FREE KIDS, AND PUBLIC CITIZEN to participate as amicus curiae was Amended.

In part it states:



"​
Moreover, lest there be a concern that the filing of the proposed
amici’s brief and the appellants brief on the same day might result in repetition of argument and redundancy, counsel for appellants has agreed to share a draft of the appellants’ brief with the proposed amici a week before it is due, so that the proposed amici may tailor their brief to avoid duplication and repetition of the appellants’ argument. In this way, the briefing schedule already established for this case can be honored, and at the same ime, the goals of avoiding duplication of argument can also be achieved.
"


So it appears the Group will be coming in from a different angle then the FDA from this filing on the Docket today.


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Sun, they are all anti-tobacco groups, so wouldn't their opposition to e-cigs confirm SE's argument that the e-cig is a tobacco product?

Or have they all changed their tune and are now anti-nicotine?

Afterthought. They should all merge together into one group. They could call themselves the "American Anti-freedom Foundation". :mad:
 
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