Again today there was no movement on the Docket sheet. The FDA has until tomorrow to file their Reply Brief and I expect that they will.
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Smoking Everywhere V. FDA Daily Docket Sheet Update--APPEAL's COURT ISSUES STAY
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Sun Vaporer, just wanted to say thanks for keeping us up to date with the current situation. We can only expect the worst but hope for the best at this point.
effective is subjective. For me, Darvon works. It gets rid of my migraines. For advil or tylenol to do it, I'd have to take around a dozen pills. And, I'm mildly allergic to codeine, so that doesnt leave much else.
Thank you for the update. Like others, I appreciate all youve done to stay on top of this and to keep us informed.
Bri--if the FDA were not to file today, they would just be standing on the pleadings they already submitted. But it would be highly unlikely that they are not going to. They are not going to give up their opportunity to reply. I will have a good long look tommorrow and post the update one way or the other.
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Thanks Sun - that was purely hypothetical. I know they won't fail to file, I was just curious. Thanks for the response.
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I just wanted to add my thanks to this thread to you for staying on top of this as throughly as you have done. I also wanted to let you know that I spoke with an online supplier of shisha and hookah related products and they are not, I repeat, not going to be effected by the FDA or the bill that is in congress right now. Shisha has now been listed as a "cultural" item, whatever that means, and it is not going to be subjected to the same rules as the rest regarding flavorings, etc. or shipment. I guess there was one bright ray of sunshine in all of this, for us hookah users at least. Still crossing my fingers and hoping for the best regarding the E-cig. Still, thank you so much for your efforts
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I just wanted to add my thanks to this thread to you for staying on top of this as throughly as you have done. I also wanted to let you know that I spoke with an online supplier of shisha and hookah related products and they are not, I repeat, not going to be effected by the FDA or the bill that is in congress right now. Shisha has now been listed as a "cultural" item, whatever that means, and it is not going to be subjected to the same rules as the rest regarding flavorings, etc. or shipment. I guess there was one bright ray of sunshine in all of this, for us hookah users at least. Still crossing my fingers and hoping for the best regarding the E-cig. Still, thank you so much for your efforts
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problem with that is here in california as in any medical marijuana friendly state we (the state/user/both depending of law) grow our own. and since all you need is a paper or some other legal tobacco delivery device approving per state medical marijuana is easy. if states were to try to do the same with e-cigarettes you would need an in state producer of the e-juice, and PV. not to mention that by the time any state could get throu the long and aggrevating process of passing a new law the FDA would be long done with their medical delivery device approval process and regulating e-cigarettes as they see fit.
i belive it took 20 yrs after marijuana prohibition started before there were any medical marijuana bills even looked at twice.
i think its time to treat my nausea
Strange nothing yet from Sun. Hope she didn't get bad news about the e-cig and jump off a bridge! 8-o
Today the FDA did in fact file its Reply Brief to SE’s and NJOY’s Supplemental Briefs.
The FDA argued under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act ("FDCA"), the new law expands FDA’s jurisdiction by granting it the authority to regulate additional nicotine- and tobacco-containing products that previously were not within FDA’s jurisdiction.
It is now in the hands of Judge Leon for a ruling........................Sun
The FDA argued under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act ("FDCA"), the new law expands FDA’s jurisdiction by granting it the authority to regulate additional nicotine- and tobacco-containing products that previously were not within FDA’s jurisdiction.
It is now in the hands of Judge Leon for a ruling........................Sun
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So the FDA just officially declared that the e-cigarette does not fall under the new law? To them it still falls under their old jurisdiction?
At least now they can't try to use the new law to institute an out-right ban. They're back to the old "it's unapproved, get it approved" stance.
That's good, right?
At least now they can't try to use the new law to institute an out-right ban. They're back to the old "it's unapproved, get it approved" stance.
That's good, right?
So, I gotta ask - what do they mean by "the surrounding circumstances of the sales" ? That the salesperson said you could use it to quit, that the consumer sought it out because they wanted to quit, or something else?
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