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Just wanted to add to the discussion.
The poster who said these are a fail, that they leaked on him immediately, I would bet dollars he was referring to the massive suck G4 cartos, those things are raw junk.
I have been using the Clear SmokeTech cartos for a solid month now, every day, all day.
I still have 95% of them, the ONLY SINGLE problem I have had with them was (as noted earlier), Cinnamon juice makes the plastic go opaque...but it still works fine (just not pretty anymore).
NO cracking, NO leaking, I refill them EVERY NIGHT.
As said, the only time they leak (and only a drop or two through the center hole)
is if YOU overfill them, it's not their fault!
And I have found that OVERFILLING is what leads to a reduced draw which will make them go bad.
Again, user error leads to fail, the unit doesn't fail itself.
Filled properly and not overfilled, they just keep going and going and going and going.
I have a bottle of SUPER THICK Bounty Hunter 100VG juice that is so thick it will barely draw into a syringe, NO PROBLEMS in the Smoketech dual coil, ever.
I use the Bounty Hunter every day, refill it every night, absolutely no problems and it's as thick as molasses. It's my No. 1 vape throughout the day and it's the thickest juice I have, and I take deeep draws, NO problems at all with wicking, none.
I love these things so much there aren't words to describe.
Filling: SYRINGE! Clean, neat, orderly, quick, repeatable results every time.
I never overfill them anymore, and I'm topping off 4-5 of them every night when I get home from work, doesn't take 5 minutes to fill all five.
Also, I HATE getting juice on me, and this way is very clean, very few instances of getting juice on my fingers.
Cleaning/Re-Use: SYRINGE! I use the same syringe I use to fill them to clean them, I just take hot (not boiling) distilled water and shoot it through the syringe over and over just like I was filling them until they run clean, then set them out to dry.
This pic below shows 8 of them I just cleaned out earlier today, by tomorrow they'll be ready for new juices to try out! A couple hours ago, they looked just like the filled ones (except most were almost empty) but are clean and new now.
They work great in my Evercool VV Box Mod, and they work great in my E-Power 14650, no problems ever with either unit, I take them both with me every day.
When I got the first one or two, I used drip tips on them, which is fun to use, but I use so many of them now, that's just an accessory I don't need, and I never dripped through the drip tip anyway, I always use the SYRINGE.
If you are pinching them to remove the top cap, that is user error.
I never have to distort the tube to remove or replace the cap, that's why none of mine have cracked. Look at the pic, see the dental tool? That's what I use to pop the caps. It's cheap, I bet a toothpick would work.
I can carry my Box Mod and the bottle caddy in the palm of one hand and I am SET for vaping.
If you're determined, you can get 7-8 of the cartos in that bottle caddy, but that's pushing it.
Nothing rocks harder than these SmokeTech dual coil cartos,
The poster who said these are a fail, that they leaked on him immediately, I would bet dollars he was referring to the massive suck G4 cartos, those things are raw junk.
I have been using the Clear SmokeTech cartos for a solid month now, every day, all day.
I still have 95% of them, the ONLY SINGLE problem I have had with them was (as noted earlier), Cinnamon juice makes the plastic go opaque...but it still works fine (just not pretty anymore).
NO cracking, NO leaking, I refill them EVERY NIGHT.
As said, the only time they leak (and only a drop or two through the center hole)
is if YOU overfill them, it's not their fault!
And I have found that OVERFILLING is what leads to a reduced draw which will make them go bad.
Again, user error leads to fail, the unit doesn't fail itself.
Filled properly and not overfilled, they just keep going and going and going and going.
I have a bottle of SUPER THICK Bounty Hunter 100VG juice that is so thick it will barely draw into a syringe, NO PROBLEMS in the Smoketech dual coil, ever.
I use the Bounty Hunter every day, refill it every night, absolutely no problems and it's as thick as molasses. It's my No. 1 vape throughout the day and it's the thickest juice I have, and I take deeep draws, NO problems at all with wicking, none.
I love these things so much there aren't words to describe.
Filling: SYRINGE! Clean, neat, orderly, quick, repeatable results every time.
I never overfill them anymore, and I'm topping off 4-5 of them every night when I get home from work, doesn't take 5 minutes to fill all five.
Also, I HATE getting juice on me, and this way is very clean, very few instances of getting juice on my fingers.
Cleaning/Re-Use: SYRINGE! I use the same syringe I use to fill them to clean them, I just take hot (not boiling) distilled water and shoot it through the syringe over and over just like I was filling them until they run clean, then set them out to dry.
This pic below shows 8 of them I just cleaned out earlier today, by tomorrow they'll be ready for new juices to try out! A couple hours ago, they looked just like the filled ones (except most were almost empty) but are clean and new now.
They work great in my Evercool VV Box Mod, and they work great in my E-Power 14650, no problems ever with either unit, I take them both with me every day.
When I got the first one or two, I used drip tips on them, which is fun to use, but I use so many of them now, that's just an accessory I don't need, and I never dripped through the drip tip anyway, I always use the SYRINGE.
If you are pinching them to remove the top cap, that is user error.
I never have to distort the tube to remove or replace the cap, that's why none of mine have cracked. Look at the pic, see the dental tool? That's what I use to pop the caps. It's cheap, I bet a toothpick would work.
I can carry my Box Mod and the bottle caddy in the palm of one hand and I am SET for vaping.
If you're determined, you can get 7-8 of the cartos in that bottle caddy, but that's pushing it.
Nothing rocks harder than these SmokeTech dual coil cartos,
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Drak,
I can attest that a toothpick works to remove the cap -- after the first fill. There's too much grip on the silicone caps when you first get them, but once you've filled and vaped there's enough residue that it makes the caps more slippery and easy to remove. Just about any thin object will work, really. I keep a bent paperclip in my case (one side bent out, then the end of that bent into a little hook) that I was using to remove the needle plates on tank attys, but since I've abandoned the tanks for these I use it to remove the cap on the cartos.
By the way, where do you inject with the syringe? Bottom or top? I've just been dripping down the sides, rotating the carto for even distribution. Is there an advantage to the syringe? Seems a bit of a pain to keep getting it out to top up. (I top up frequently to make sure the coils stay wet.)
I can attest that a toothpick works to remove the cap -- after the first fill. There's too much grip on the silicone caps when you first get them, but once you've filled and vaped there's enough residue that it makes the caps more slippery and easy to remove. Just about any thin object will work, really. I keep a bent paperclip in my case (one side bent out, then the end of that bent into a little hook) that I was using to remove the needle plates on tank attys, but since I've abandoned the tanks for these I use it to remove the cap on the cartos.
By the way, where do you inject with the syringe? Bottom or top? I've just been dripping down the sides, rotating the carto for even distribution. Is there an advantage to the syringe? Seems a bit of a pain to keep getting it out to top up. (I top up frequently to make sure the coils stay wet.)
Trick Question? ...It's a dual coil carto.
That's the beauty of using a syringe, it's all in the technique.
You start with it inserted all the way down, and you start injecting and pulling it up at the same time. I do that 4 times, like rotating a tire, and the juice distribution is perfect and takes me not even one single minute to fill a carto, it goes very quickly.
When you slip the syringe in, you're sliding it between the filler and the outside case, sliding it down the side of the casing until it's pretty much bottomed out or close to it, taking care not to 'snag' the filler along the way.
This ALSO helps if you have a 'dark spot', where old juice has collected and is turning dark.
While injecting the fresh juice, you can 'move' that spot around and break it up, 'pushing' it around with the fresh juice insertion.
If you inject too much in one location, w/o moving the syringe, it can overfill, blob, and drip quickly.
The secret to excellent filling is injecting and pulling up all in one movement to distribute the juice from the bottom to the top of the case all in one movement, then do that three more times around the perimeter.
I wish I had a video cam to show you how quick it is, like 30 seconds to fill maybe.
It takes longer to fill the syringe with juice than it does to fill the carto.
I think the issue with dripping down the sides is threefold:
One, it takes awhile, much longer than the syringe method.
Two, I don't think you could ever be sure exactly how much your adding from refill to refill, with the syringe, it's completely pre-metered every time, and overfilling is the arch enemy of these things, it's the one thing that will take them down.
Three, I think it's easier to blob it down the center tube, something that never happens with the syringe method.
Basically, I think every time you drip fill, you're sort of playing russian roulette unless you really under-do it each time. The syringe is pre-measured and predictable -every- time.
And it's just so fast, 30 seconds tops and done.
Hmmm, I think the fact that you keep topping up is a sign that you possibly never actually get 'full up'.
With the syringe, you very quickly get to know exactly how much you need to fill up, at least I do, so every morning, each carto is completely full, but none are overfull.
As well, maybe you're doing it out of fear that you'll burn up the carto.
I take almost every one of mine to the point where they look almost new, the juice is gone and the filler is white, I vape them until (either) I get the very first sign of a burned vape hit, or I get home at night, whichever comes first.
I have NEVER burned one of these up taking them to almost dry, I know the 'taste' where it's time to stop and remove it for the day, but you might be very surprised how far (dry) you can take them with no damage incurred.
I use these every day, and the single only way I have harmed them is to overfill them (which I did at the beginning until I got the hang of properly syringing) which makes the draw too tight for a comfortable vape. I've never burned one out, you can vape them until the filler looks like it's almost new again...it's easy to tell by the TASTE. If the juice tastes normal, even though the filler is almost new/white, you're still good to go.
The minute you get a hit that tastes like burnt atty, stop there and remove.
When these wet ones dry out, I'll try to take a series of pics showing a syringe-fill.
Not a trick question. It looked like a clear button protector or something. I think its just the light, shining on it. Never really seen an E-Power up close. I thought some clear thing was where you thread your cone. My bad.
*goes and hides head in embarrassed shame*
The dual coil carto on a big batt does make it look a little strange because you can't use the cone, but I dropped that cone on day two I think, it's somewhere in a drawer.
I 'was' going to sand the front end of the cone down a bit until it's wide enough to slide over the carto, but I change cartos so fast and frequently now it would just be a big pain in the .....
Here is a pic of it 'normally' with a cart and atty and cone (uggh)
And one with a dcc/drip tip on it, stripped down and ready to rumble.
I 'was' going to sand the front end of the cone down a bit until it's wide enough to slide over the carto, but I change cartos so fast and frequently now it would just be a big pain in the .....
Here is a pic of it 'normally' with a cart and atty and cone (uggh
)And one with a dcc/drip tip on it, stripped down and ready to rumble.
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Drac,
I understand the method you're using. I'd considered doing that myself but worried about snagging or fraying the filler material. I just tried it, and it did work, but its gauge I think might be a little too large as it was hard to work it down the sides to avoid compressing it too much. Even then the filler didn't spring back like it should. I'll let it sit for a bit and see how it works out.
As far as cleaning goes, I find that rinsing under warm water works quite well, though I should probably use purified water to avoid mineral buildup. Still, rinsing under water multiple times and blowing it out between rinses seems to be the best method I've tried so far. I did an isopropanol soak earlier in the week, and that worked fine, too. It would probably work better if I used the syringe to let some of the isopropanol flow through to the other side as well, just to get rid of leftover juice if there is any.
By the way, is that a NoEgo? I'll be getting a couple in a week or so (one of each).
I understand the method you're using. I'd considered doing that myself but worried about snagging or fraying the filler material. I just tried it, and it did work, but its gauge I think might be a little too large as it was hard to work it down the sides to avoid compressing it too much. Even then the filler didn't spring back like it should. I'll let it sit for a bit and see how it works out.
As far as cleaning goes, I find that rinsing under warm water works quite well, though I should probably use purified water to avoid mineral buildup. Still, rinsing under water multiple times and blowing it out between rinses seems to be the best method I've tried so far. I did an isopropanol soak earlier in the week, and that worked fine, too. It would probably work better if I used the syringe to let some of the isopropanol flow through to the other side as well, just to get rid of leftover juice if there is any.
By the way, is that a NoEgo? I'll be getting a couple in a week or so (one of each).
Thanks everyone for writing their experiences with these!
Drak: I don't ever see myself using a syringe... Would you be able to get similar results with the blunt tip hollow metal rod that some sellers have attached to a juice bottle cap, or would it be too wide and bulky to achieve the same results?
Drak: I don't ever see myself using a syringe... Would you be able to get similar results with the blunt tip hollow metal rod that some sellers have attached to a juice bottle cap, or would it be too wide and bulky to achieve the same results?
The syringes I use are 3ml if that makes any difference, and they are sharp, not blunted.
Personally, I think the sharp end helps me slide it down past the filler better.
I think if you persevere with it you'll quickly find you won't snag filler, just takes a few tries to get the hang of it like anything else.
If it grabs filler on the way in, I keep moving it to a different spot until it doesn't.
Kinda like quick jabs looking for a clean entry point where it doesn't snag, you'll find them.
Again, this only takes a few seconds to find the right 'spot' and a few tries to get the hang of it.
Kinda like riding a bike, once you 'get' it, you get it.
You can rinse them out, but you'd be surprised how fast and efficient the syringe is for blowing out all the juice using hot (not boiling) water, really fast and thorough too, and you're cleaning out the syringe too, which is always a good thing to do.
I don't use alcohol to clean them, but we all have our own ways!
The big batt is an E-Power 14650.
Personally, I think the sharp end helps me slide it down past the filler better.
I think if you persevere with it you'll quickly find you won't snag filler, just takes a few tries to get the hang of it like anything else.
If it grabs filler on the way in, I keep moving it to a different spot until it doesn't.
Kinda like quick jabs looking for a clean entry point where it doesn't snag, you'll find them.
Again, this only takes a few seconds to find the right 'spot' and a few tries to get the hang of it.
Kinda like riding a bike, once you 'get' it, you get it.
You can rinse them out, but you'd be surprised how fast and efficient the syringe is for blowing out all the juice using hot (not boiling) water, really fast and thorough too, and you're cleaning out the syringe too, which is always a good thing to do.
I don't use alcohol to clean them, but we all have our own ways!
The big batt is an E-Power 14650.
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You know, I felt -exactly- the same way when I first unwrapped the syringe for the first time,
...I was like 'whoa, we're gettin' serious here' as I held a syringe in my hand for the first time.
But as soon as I realized how fast, clean, efficient, and basically cool it worked, I would never entertain the idea of using anything else, I got over the 'weird needle thing' blues pretty quick, but I know exactly what you mean...I kinda look at it as nothing more than a pipe-cleaner now, although if you have kids in the house you would be very careful with it just as you would nic juice and anything else like that.
One 30-second video of a syringe-fill would probably convince just about anybody I would think...
It's just such a perfect tool for the application...
Since I haven't used a blunt needle, I honestly couldn't say whether it would work well or not.
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Somethin' else that's pretty cool.
Take one of the locking syringe needles...
Pull the nib from a regular e-liquid bottle...
Shove the needle in from the inside, so you have a needle tip bottle.
Pop it back in. Viola...instant needle tip bottle.
After you fill...
Pull out the nib, flip it over, push the needle end down in the bottle and screw the cap on...yer good to stow and carry.
Take one of the locking syringe needles...
Pull the nib from a regular e-liquid bottle...
Shove the needle in from the inside, so you have a needle tip bottle.
Pop it back in. Viola...instant needle tip bottle.
After you fill...
Pull out the nib, flip it over, push the needle end down in the bottle and screw the cap on...yer good to stow and carry.
I just heard a bit of disturbing news, triple coil cartomizers! One of my favorite juice vendors, who doesn't even sell cartos currently, said that they are suppose to be testing some triple coil cartomizers soon. I am going to beg ask if I can sample one.
They are SmokTech, and I am only guessing that they will start showing up soon. Now I am off to plead talk to my vendor. I will keep y'all informed. Or if anyone has the scoop, let us know.
They are SmokTech, and I am only guessing that they will start showing up soon. Now I am off to
I saw them on one of the sites while window shopping... they are priced at $14.99 each or very close to that...
Think I'll wait for the Quad-Coils, then buy a VV mod, cha-ching!
I'm happy with these dualies, but have to use a drip tip on em, they get hot on my lips without one. I bought one of those 2.5 ml jumbo dualies in SS, comes with a whistetip. I really like this but no cone is going to fit over this carto. So I just use it at home. I get enough strange looks at work as it is.
I'm happy with these dualies, but have to use a drip tip on em, they get hot on my lips without one. I bought one of those 2.5 ml jumbo dualies in SS, comes with a whistetip. I really like this but no cone is going to fit over this carto. So I just use it at home. I get enough strange looks at work as it is.
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Drak, where did you get the syringe youre using to fill your carts? think im going to try your method
can someone whos tried both tell me if these dual coils have better flavor than the 306 atties?
been real frustrated with my cisco/ikv atties losing their ability to bring out flavor in juices after using them only for a short time..
so im looking for an alternative...something that will give me a consistent in taste vape.
been real frustrated with my cisco/ikv atties losing their ability to bring out flavor in juices after using them only for a short time..
so im looking for an alternative...something that will give me a consistent in taste vape.
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