SmokTech Telescope is air tight!

[Mr.Self_Destruct]

Thank you very much for making this video.

I think it's a good example of why Vapers need to be educated when stepping up into the APV range.

 

[Got-Ta-Go]

Position based on what? All I have to go is one person with a video where his balloon won't deflate. By his own admission, the vendor he bought it from and the manufacturer both dispute his claims.

Might be something really there, might be nothing at all. Shutting the co-cop down based on a "might" is exactly what we fight when we push back against vaping regulations from various agencies. Let's stop everything on a "maybe" it can harm you.

I can understand not wanting to be Nanny-ed. I don’t either.

But I think you have to consider the ECF’s Position if they Appear to Condon or to Promote ANYTHING and then someone gets Injured.

In a World where Anyone can Sue Anybody for Anything, can you Really Blame them?

 

[Sense Field]

I want to thank everyone here who supports me in the making if this video. I feel so strongly that we have to "teach" china to be more safety conscious for the sake of our community that I had to make this into a big deal.

I hope SmokTech and other Chinese manufacturers see this and start thinking of safety as they move into mass production of AVPs.

Thank you all again, I know I'm probably getting beat up in some threads for this, but it's important to send these manufactures a message at the start of their AVP endeavors.

 

[Rader2146]

Nevermind. Found it.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-ecf-metal-tubemods-safety-specification.html

It is a "buyer beware" statement. ECF cannot approve, or disapprove, a device. Only try to persuade a buyer to err on the side caution. IMO, denying a co-op would mean that ECF is skirting the line of being an "approval authority".

There is no requirement for any manufacturer to have their products comply, at any time - either now or after June 2012. However, after that date, we will begin to advise buyers that caution is advisable when buying a metal tube APV, and they may wish to purchase a product that complies with EMSS since ECF considers such units to be safe.

If listed by ECF as compliant, an APV may be described in advertising or promotion in the following terms.
Allowed:
EMSS Compliant
ECF Compliant
ECF EMSS Compliant
Complies With EMSS
Complies With ECF EMSS
Listed As Complying With EMSS

Not Allowed:
ECF Approved
EMSS Approved
ECF Tested

...or similar. This is because we have not inspected, tested and approved any product (and cannot). ECF cannot test and 'approve' any product, it is not a testing authority. We will list it as complying with EMSS.

 

[Pharein]

I want to thank everyone here who supports me in the making if this video. I feel so strongly that we have to "teach" china to be more safety conscious for the sake of our community that I had to make this into a big deal.

I hope SmokTech and other Chinese manufacturers see this and start thinking of safety as they move into mass production of AVPs.

Thank you all again, I know I'm probably getting beat up in some threads for this, but it's important to send these manufactures a message at the start of their AVP endeavors.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. What I find issue with is Smoktech seem to be lying about their product. Inexcusable.

 

[CDnerds]

So it's an adjustable pipe bomb, cool

I really shouldnt laugh at that, but I was thinking the same thing.

 

[martinc]

What happened, did you not get a slot so you want it shut down?

I'm so past simple tube APVs its not even funny

 

[zoiDman]

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Might be something really there, might be nothing at all. Shutting the co-cop down based on a "might" is exactly what we fight when we push back against vaping regulations from various agencies. Let's stop everything on a "maybe" it can harm you.

Is the Co-Op Shut Down?

Honestly, I Don’t Understand why the ECF even Allows ANY Co-Ops?

What does the ECF get out of it?

But if some ECF Co-Op bought Mod Blows up in Someone’s Face, how many People, with their Lawyers in tow, are going to Scream, “You Should Done Something About It. It’s your Fault I have No Teeth.”

Remember… We live in a World where Totally Wicked can Shut Down the Largest e-Cigarette Forum in the UK because TW’s Owner ( in a Questionable Mental State ) feels people made Fun of Him and His Company.

 

[CDnerds]

Position based on what? All I have to go is one person with a video where his balloon won't deflate. By his own admission, the vendor he bought it from and the manufacturer both dispute his claims.

Might be something really there, might be nothing at all. Shutting the co-cop down based on a "might" is exactly what we fight when we push back against vaping regulations from various agencies. Let's stop everything on a "maybe" it can harm you.

Did you forget about the hot spring falsehood?. The video clearly shows its not a hot spring. If there is one falsehood why assume anything else is true when it comes to safety and this mod. Battery fails are rare, but you just need one. There is nothing wrong with further testing and discussion about this.

Sense Field: Your video was very bold and informative. You are probably getting a ton of crap for it, but don't listen to them. At the very minimum you let the manufactures know.. they are being watched.

 

[tj99959]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. What I find issue with is Smoktech seem to be lying about their product. Inexcusable.

This is the key issue! We either hold Smoktech's feet to the fire or we all loose. If they want to be one of the leaders in the industry, they darn sure better act like one.

 

[zoiDman]

This is the key issue! We either hold Smoktech's feet to the fire or we all loose.

Yeah, That would seem like the thing to do.

But it seems that More Times than Not, it is the Vendor who takes All the Heat.

 

[CDnerds]

Is the Co-Op Shut Down?

Honestly, I Don’t Understand why the ECF even Allows ANY Co-Ops?

What does the ECF get out of it?

But if some ECF Co-Op bought Mod Blows up in Someone’s Face, how many People, with their Lawyers in tow, are going to Scream, “You Should Done Something About It. It’s your Fault I have No Teeth.”

Remember… We live in a World where Totally Wicked can Shut Down the Largest e-Cigarette Forum in the UK because TW’s Owner ( in a Questionable Mental State ) feels people made Fun of Him and His Company.

Man you start getting lawyers involved and your going to have people faking battery fails just to make some $$.

 

[Katfeesh]

So u can test hot springs with a lighter?

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[CDnerds]

Yeah, That would sem like the thing to do.

But it seems that More Times than Not, it is the Vendor who takes All the Heat.

Well if your going to be the first to bring it out, your going to be the first to the take the heat. Thats just how the game works. If there is something to this story (and I think there is) and the vendor(s) chooses to ignore it - now you got a real problem on your hands.

 

[CDnerds]

So u can test hot springs with a lighter?

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The flame from the average lighter are 1,000's of degrees. Some places have shown the blue portion to reach 3,000 degrees. So a hot spring would have movement at those temperatures. Im not sure of a collapse - but you would see movement. GrimmGreen had his silverbullet's hot spring go off twice on him with a AW IMR battery and a ViVi nova tank. These springs are made to burn very quickly, because an bad battery can blow quickly.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

The flame from the average lighter are 1,000's of degrees. Some places have shown the blue portion to reach 3,000 degrees. So a hot spring would have movement at those temperatures. Im not sure of a collapse - but you would see movement.

Ok...I gotta find my temp gun, this seems WAY high to me. I won't dispute it until I try.

Gonna be harder than it used to be to find a lighter, but there must be one around

 

[tj99959]

So u can test hot springs with a lighter?

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Well I'm sure in hell not going to short out a battery in that thing to test it!
I do know that a lighter will collapse an Altsmoke spring. However even a car spring will collapse if you put enough heat to it. So at what temp will it collapse is the issue, not whether it will or not.

 

[CDnerds]

Ok...I gotta find my temp gun, this seems WAY high to me. I won't dispute it until I try.

Gonna be harder than it used to be to find a lighter, but there must be one around

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/flame-temperatures-gases-d_422.html is a good place to look. A tip of a cigarette (the cherry) can push 1700 degrees. If ever got it caught between your fingers, you know how hot it is lol!

 

[CDnerds]

Well I'm sure in hell not going to short out a battery in that thing to test it!
I do know that a lighter will collapse an Altsmoke spring. However even a car spring will collapse if you put enough heat to it. So at what temp will it collapse is the issue, not whether it will or not.

Yes all springs will collapse at some point but if its a "hot spring" we have to assume it will die at a much much lower temp. If the spring isnt moving at 1000+ degrees (butane flame) - its not a hot spring. The Alt Smoke's spring is tried and true.

 

[Ralikar]

I think we should sell some dangerous and dubious things to the Chinese populace...

Ralikar's super-dragon: 1/2 sec (but 10" long) quick fuse firecracker to celebrate the Chinese new year...