Smoktech ZMax Owners - Pics., Tips, Tricks and Quirks

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So now I'm irresponsible??? Wow man, you need to move on, get a life and let us discuss the issues. Why don't we just discuss the various issues and stop getting so buried in who's right and who's wrong.

I made that comment to retird, not you natgas. He was self-admittedly stirring the pot at the time. As for "letting us" discuss the issues - who is "us"? I own a Zmax myself - I think I can post here and discuss too. :)
 

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The reason people come to this thread is for input in these sort of occurrences, not to be berated - especially when the preponderance of evidence points to Natgas being correct in his assumption that the button/board was faulty on his Zmax.

I agree - he wasn't being berated. However I don't agree that the assumption can just be made. I've followed what happened just like others, and from what he told us he left it, came back and it had melted the edge of something. He didn't notice any firing when he put it down - so I don't see how it can be definitely said it was. That's all.

There was a guy in the "ask the veterans' forum a while back whose mod did something similar - not a Zmax, some kind of lavatube model I think. He didn't know why it happened and neither did the veteran responding. If we don't know something then we don't know.
 
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Just curious here as to what makes you the resident expert on this particular device?? Who are you to say it didn't fire on it's own??

'Scuse me? I never said it did or didn't - I said it may have been that or another reason. Sorry but you haven't read what I said if you think I made that statement. I said we don't know the reason for sure. We don't.

Were you actually there?? I don't think so!! Yes, natgas said in his original post he didn't know what had occurred as he wasn't there with the unit at the time!! He left the room, remember?? You weren't in the room either, so as for your comments, they are total spectulation..

I haven't speculated at all muzichead - I think you are jumping to conclusions here, without reading what I said. I said it may have fired, it may have shorted, it may have been other things -we don't know. I never once said what it definitely was or wasn't. So you're doing the thing you're accusing me of here.

He sent the unit back to the vendor for them to possibly diagnose what had occurred and they were unable to find the problem and that is what he reported back... It seems to me you are a little on the obsessive side of this device. It doesn't seem to matter whether it is someone whom either does or doesn't own one that you get a snippy with because they are pointing out some kind of fault with it.

That's not true either. I've read the whole thread, and the posts over on the alpha thread and not taken issue with stuff. I did get into a bit of back and forth with one person (retird} because he just kept on. But no, I haven't had issues with owners pointing out quirks -I didn't have any issue with natgas coming in to say his heated up either.

EVERY APV made has some type of fault!! It shouldn't matter who it is pointing out the said faults, so long as they are pointed out, and anyone from our community is so informed of it to make an educated decision when researching to purchase something new for their personal use. You may be completely happy with said device and all the quirks it has and are fine with working around them, but this doesn't mean someone else should have to wait until they buy the device to find out about them and then feel like they ...... away $100 bucks on something they may not have purchased if they had known........ I love this forum for the valuable information you can find on any vaping product out there. Good, bad, or indifferent......

I agree. I think you piled on at me tho without actually looking at what I did say.
 

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I agree - he wasn't being berated. However I don;lt agree that the assumption can just be made. I've followed what happened just like others, and from what he told us he left it, came back and it had melted the edge of something. He didn;t notive any firing when he put it down - so I donlt see how it can be definitely said it was. That's all.

There was a guy in the "ask the veterans' forum a while back whose mod did something similar - not a Zmax, some kind of lavatube model I think. He didn't know why it happened and neither did the veteran responding. If we don't know something then we don't know.

Interesting as I think more than a few of us thought "you" were the one berating him, especially with the "human error" comment!!!!!! Also, no one "definitely" said it fired on its own.....only that that might be a "possibility"......
 

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I agree---debate is good; until it involves personal attacks!

Well I agree with that too. So please don't think I attacked you personally because I didn't. But I did question the description of what happened as being conclusive.
Anyway - did I see you were getting another one? If so I hope it works well for you - nothing more of a bummer than expecting something in the mail and then after you get it something goes wrong. It's disappointing.
 

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Interesting as I think more than a few of us thought "you" were the one berating him, especially with the "human error" comment!!!!!! Also, no one "definitely" said it fired on its own.....only that that might be a "possibility"......

Well you thought wrong. And that certainly wasn't the tone I was using. Yes, there may have been user error - that's always a possiblity too. That was one possibility in a list. I mean - have you never had user error with a device? I have sometimes. I don't think it's a big deal to say it's a possibility among a list of other possibilities. And one person did say it definitely fired on its own. You seem to want to berate me - but I encourage you to read what I actually said. :)
 
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It seems there is a SS Zmax V2 after all!! take a look at this one added an eight menu option!!

SMOK ZMAX 18650 Mod [SMOK002] - US$125.00 :

Looks like they've got the v2 in stock there. I've never dealt with that vendor but I went ahead and ordered one to see how well the rms function works. I'll put it through it's paces just like I did with the V1 and let you guys know here.
 

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Morning Solemn... great to see ya back...I never got a chance to thank you for doing all the testing you did on the Zmax...Thanks...looking forward to your V2 testing and review....

Looks like they've got the v2 in stock there. I've never dealt with that vendor but I went ahead and ordered one to see how well the rms function works. I'll put it through it's paces just like I did with the V1 and let you guys know here.
 

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Sure - it may have. It may not have too - that's all I was saying.



I think you are actually - since I never said that.



I wasn't talking to natgas with that comment - I was talking to retird. I even quoted reitrd's post to make that clear. So this is a bit off here. All I am saying to natgas is if we don;t then dont say like it was definite - becuase it may also have shorted.


I should correct something.

I don't think you were being snippy, just plain rude.

Well there was an issue with yours. I haven't heard of anyone else's doing that tho, and it's not clear if you shorted it.

See post #1252

After reading this you'll find the likeliest scenario is that natgas's Zmax did fire on it's own.

His Zmax wasn't shorted as I pointed out - a shorted atty connection wouldn't fire, it would generate an error code - unless the protection in the device had failed which is a lot worse than a button failure.

But even that is not clear - you've said yourself you don't if it was firing. Sorry - but that's something you don't know. What you know is it got very hot and something melted. Then later you called it "firing" but said you don't actually know that. So please just stick to what is known - because it gets picked up and misconstrued when it isn't proven

I don't recall you becoming a moderator here - nobody has to prove anything to anybody.
Natgas can speculate as much as he likes especially when you don't seem to have a problem speculating - why is it okay for you to speculate that his Zmax had a short and not okay for natgas to speculate that the button was firing on it's own?

That's not an update. He has admitted before he doesn't even know if it was firing -sorry but you can't make things up afterwards.

Pure semantics - his update was his reply from MV which unfortunately didn't answer any pertinent questions but it was STILL an update.

If you're going to get upset every time someone says something you disagree with here then you're going to be upset quite a lot - it's a forum for discussion.

You're coming across as a bit of a bully.
 

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Morning Solemn... great to see ya back...I never got a chance to thank you for doing all the testing you did on the Zmax...Thanks...looking forward to your V2 testing and review....

Thank you! I haven't really been gone. Just lurking. Too busy to post. Trying to throw a website together and start doing more written reviews. 3 month old baby's been getting most of my spare time though!
 

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Yep, you have your hands full....All this RMS, VRMS, etc. is greek to me, so I am thankful that folks like you can explain to folks like me....i always research a new mod before purchase...so I do alot of reading in ECF...THANKS again....back to building another Power Regulated mod....later....

Thank you! I haven't really been gone. Just lurking. Too busy to post. Trying to throw a website together and start doing more written reviews. 3 month old baby's been getting most of my spare time though!
 
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I should correct something.

I don't think you were being snippy, just plain rude.

Well I wasn't - so we'll just have to differ.





After reading this you'll find the likeliest scenario is that natgas's Zmax did fire on it's own.

His Zmax wasn't shorted as I pointed out - a shorted atty connection wouldn't fire, it would generate an error code - unless the protection in the device had failed which is a lot worse than a button failure.

And it may have failed - we don't know. Sorry Dirk but I can't just take your explanantion as the only one. Something went wrong with for sure, but it's still speculation as to what.



I don't recall you becoming a moderator here - nobody has to prove anything to anybody.
Natgas can speculate as much as he likes especially when you don't seem to have a problem speculating - why is it okay for you to speculate that his Zmax had a short and not okay for natgas to speculate that the button was firing on it's own?

Actually that is not what I said. I've said it may have fired, or shorted, or been a battery problem, or user error. I don't know what caused it - I haven;t said it was specifically any one thing. So please don't say I did that. natgas didn't just speculate. But that's been discussed already.



Pure semantics - his update was his reply from MV which unfortunately didn't answer any pertinent questions but it was STILL an update.

Not sure why you said that - I've never disagreed with it being an update as far as what Madvapes said. Not once.

If you're going to get upset every time someone says something you disagree with here then you're going to be upset quite a lot - it's a forum for discussion.

You're coming across as a bit of a bully.

Actually Dirk I wasn't upset, and I'm plenty used to forums. There's nothing bullying in what I said - that was unnecessary on your part there. I'm wondering if you are trying to bully me here a bit actually.
 

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Thank you! I haven't really been gone. Just lurking. Too busy to post. Trying to throw a website together and start doing more written reviews. 3 month old baby's been getting most of my spare time though!

Looking forward to hearing your test results.
My 18 month old girl still takes up all my time (and wakes me up every night) lots of fun for you!
 

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I am going to clarify this again:

Me: "That's not an update. He has admitted before he doesn't even know if it was firing -sorry but you can't make things up afterwards."

Dirk: "Pure semantics - his update was his reply from MV which unfortunately didn't answer any pertinent questions but it was STILL an update. "

My comment above was in reply to retird, not natgas. retird did not quote the madvapes update, and that's why I said it was not an update. Because what retird quoted wasn't. And I made that clear in a follow up post.

This is a forum for discussion. That's what I was doing. You are not a moderator either Dirk.
 

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After reading this you'll find the likeliest scenario is that natgas's Zmax did fire on it's own.

His Zmax wasn't shorted as I pointed out - a shorted atty connection wouldn't fire, it would generate an error code - unless the protection in the device had failed which is a lot worse than a button failure.

Yeah, I read a similar line of thought you posted somewhere - here or another thread, can't remember, previously. But I also read some thoughts from another poster which were compelling for it not being that too. Not discounting either of them but can't go definitely with one or the other myself right now.
 

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Not sure why you said that - I've never disagreed with it being an update as far as what Madvapes said. Not once.

Post #1241

That's not an update. He has admitted before he doesn't even know if it was firing -sorry but you can't make things up afterwards.

The bit where you say "That's not an update" appears to slightly contradict what you've just said.

Actually Dirk I wasn't upset, and I'm plenty used to forums. There's nothing bullying in what I said - that was unnecessary on your part there. I'm wondering if you are trying to bully me here a bit actually.

Oh please.
 

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I am going to clarify this again:

Me: "That's not an update. He has admitted before he doesn't even know if it was firing -sorry but you can't make things up afterwards."

Dirk: "Pure semantics - his update was his reply from MV which unfortunately didn't answer any pertinent questions but it was STILL an update. "

My comment above was in reply to retird, not natgas. retird did not quote the madvapes update, and that's why I said it was not an update. Because what retird quoted wasn't. And I made that clear in a follow up post.

This is a forum for discussion. That's what I was doing. You are not a moderator either Dirk.

If it was a reply to retird then why did you quote natgas when you made it?

No natgas - it's not semantics - its that you don't know the differences between some things. And its important if you don't know the reason to not make it up. It may have shorted - not fired. You could have had a faulty battery, you could have had user error, or it may have been the device. The point is - you don't know.

Add patronizing to your list of character traits.
 
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The bit where you say "That's not an update" appears to slightly contradict what you've just said.

No it doesn't contradict anything. The update from Madvapes was that they couldn't replicate what happened.
That's not what retird posted. We were having a discussion - which it seems now has to have everything run past you. :blink: If you read what I responded to - retird did not post the update. And saying it kept firing was not the update. And saying it fired definitively isn't an update.

natgas and I had previously discussed him saying it fired, back before these recent discussions, and he had said he didn't know for sure. So there's the contradiction.
 
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