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Because of course it is, lol. I received my copper EDS SMPL from vapordna this morning. And, honestly, I'm not super impressed. Bottom threads were full of trash and are still a little crunchy and there are several finish blems. Getting ready to give it a test spin. If it performs well, I'll likely not worry about the deficiencies too much. I plan on putting a custom patina on it so the finish stuff isn't a huge deal and may polish out anyway.

But, I'm not going to lie, the $20 copper clone I used to have was just a nice as this authentic and had much better switch threading. The threading on the clone was smooth as glass. Eh, whatever. I wanted the authentic and now I have it.

I'll see how the reviews of the rem SMPL go and may snag a SS 2.0 assuming they can keep them in stock.

edit: well, the good news is the damn thing hits like a raging beast. Hits a lot harder than I remember the clone hitting. Rocking it with an authentic Mephisto V2 with 22ga duals at .21ohm.

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I got a SS SMPL from Vaporholics, which is EDS's new vendor. And its exactly the same as the one from Vapor Lair which EDS is now saying it's a clone. So no worries if you got it from Vapor Lair. They will warranty the mod even though EDS won't. They are also going to be selling the new SMPL 2.0 switch separate, but they don't have a price yet.

To be fair, EDS never outright said VL was selling clones. They just said, they can't authenticate them. VL admitted they sourced the plastic #smpl tubes from somewhere.

Also, how would you feel if you were EDS and your former partner (VaporLair) told you they were going to start making them on their own? I guess I'd be hesitant to authenticate it too.

One more thing. I called theVaporlair to check if they had anymore 350 tubes in. They had 1 copper left in stock. I paid them via paypal + 5 dollars for shipping. After two weeks of nothing in the mail, I called, the guy said "let me find out for you and I'll call you back". About an hour later, I get an email saying my product was shipped. Another 7 days later it shows up in a bubble envelope via mail.

In contrast, I bought a brass & copper smpl 18650, two 350 tubes, and 3 fire buttons from vaporholic. Everything shows up 3 days later via priority with a hand written thank you note, and a 15ml free bottle of juice.
 

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Add a grain of salt as necessary... but, according to a redditor with "inside info", VL was having REM manufacture SMPLs as far back as December - with EDS logo'd buttons. Only after EDS found out and freaked did VL have REM change the buttons. This would reasonably explain why EDS stated VL was selling clones. Again, I can't confirm any of this but it does kind of make sense. If true, it sure makes VL seem pretty shady.
 

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Alright, so I'm a bit confused at this point, if I were going to buy this mod due to the one piece construction, which should I get, the one on VaporDNA with the Epic logo on the button, or the one on Vaporlair (the 2.0 REM version). I saw that Inswva mention in this and another thread that the button on the Epic version is a bit crunchy, but smoothed out over time. How is the REM version?

Also, any possibility of fitting magnets into the button? Or does the design preclude that?
 

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Alright, so I'm a bit confused at this point, if I were going to buy this mod due to the one piece construction, which should I get, the one on VaporDNA with the Epic logo on the button, or the one on Vaporlair (the 2.0 REM version). I saw that Inswva mention in this and another thread that the button on the Epic version is a bit crunchy, but smoothed out over time. How is the REM version?

Also, any possibility of fitting magnets into the button? Or does the design preclude that?
I have them both, and even though I had issues with the 510 threading on the epic I would still recommend it over the rem. The epic has a smoother button and better threads for the button. The epic has a brass button and the rem's is ss.

I don't know about fitting magnets in the switch. YMMV
 

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I dont think you'd be able to work out magnets in this switch. Its pretty small and the throw of the button might be non existent with magnets installed. Personally, ive had the copper smpl from Epic and it was great, no crunchy button whatsoever. But i also bought mine when they were first available a long time ago. If i had to do it again i would probly get the REM creations version just cause i like it better and this is all personal opinion and preference of course. I like how they did the button, with rhodium plated stainless steel and i just like the looks better, im not a fan of brass anything.
 

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I have them both, and even though I had issues with the 510 threading on the epic I would still recommend it over the rem. The epic has a smoother button and better threads for the button. The epic has a brass button and the rem's is ss.

I don't know about fitting magnets in the switch. YMMV

Jluc, if memory serves you also have a JD tech red copper stingray. Have you used a hybrid disk in it? If so how does the thickness of the disk compare to that of the SMPL? I found a SMPL that I am keeping my eye on for a very good price. I've been using a hybrid disk for my stingray with all my atty's and have had a problem, but I've always taken the top tube section off to make sure I've got enough of a contact point on the atty for it to fire without shorting out. So far I haven't had any problems, so I'm thinking I might be alright with the SMPL connector and my LG HE2's, Sony's, and Samsungs.
 

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Jluc, if memory serves you also have a JD tech red copper stingray. Have you used a hybrid disk in it? If so how does the thickness of the disk compare to that of the SMPL? I found a SMPL that I am keeping my eye on for a very good price. I've been using a hybrid disk for my stingray with all my atty's and have had a problem, but I've always taken the top tube section off to make sure I've got enough of a contact point on the atty for it to fire without shorting out. So far I haven't had any problems, so I'm thinking I might be alright with the SMPL connector and my LG HE2's, Sony's, and Samsungs.
The smpl has a step inside the top that increases the distance to the battery compared to the jd tech hybrid adapter. I don't have an accurate way to measure the distance but it's roughly .035 to .045 greater to the top of a flat top battery in the smpl.
 

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The smpl has a step inside the top that increases the distance to the battery compared to the jd tech hybrid adapter. I don't have an accurate way to measure the distance but it's roughly .035 to .045 greater to the top of a flat top battery in the smpl.

I'm not sure I follow, does that mean that the threaded edge of an atty will sit flush on the inside of the SMPL? With the hybrid disk I have, ally my attys protrude out enough to get a good connection, so I am concerned about the fit with the SMPL.
 

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Stingray hits harder then a smpl mod I can guarantee that I own both

Interesting, I love my Stingray, but because it was my first authentic, and a birthday gift, it doesn't leave the house. Wanted something for work since I've been unhappy with my other two mods for various reasons.
 

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I'm not sure I follow, does that mean that the threaded edge of an atty will sit flush on the inside of the SMPL? With the hybrid disk I have, ally my attys protrude out enough to get a good connection, so I am concerned about the fit with the SMPL.
As long as your positive pin protrudes past your 510 threading your good to go. So far the atties I have tried on it have been fine. I guess I'm not understanding your concern.
 

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The smpl has a step inside the top that increases the distance to the battery compared to the jd tech hybrid adapter. I don't have an accurate way to measure the distance but it's roughly .035 to .045 greater to the top of a flat top battery in the smpl.

The SMPL uses that step in lieu of a teflon spacer that most hybrid adapters use. It serves the same function by preventing the positive post of the battery from being able to short against the mod in the event the button is fired with no atty installed (I've actually tried this, and it works). During normal operation the battery does NOT touch that step because the 510 makes contact before that can happen.

This is a rough cross-section of how it all stacks up. Note how the shoulder (step) keeps the battery from shorting against the mod if the atty is removed. It's when people start using button tops that safety becomes questionable (are they too tall?), or 510 pins that don't protrude.

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The SMPL uses that step in lieu of a teflon spacer that most hybrid adapters use. It serves the same function by preventing the positive post of the battery from being able to short against the mod in the event the button is fired with no atty installed (I've actually tried this, and it works). During normal operation the battery does NOT touch that step because the 510 makes contact before that can happen.

This is a rough cross-section of how it all stacks up. Note how the shoulder (step) keeps the battery from shorting against the mod if the atty is removed. It's when people start using button tops that safety becomes questionable (are they too tall?), or 510 pins that don't protrude.

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That is an awesome drawing in regards to step inside the mod. I'm gonna purchase a SS clone to start with to see how everything fits, and if all goes well, I'll upgrade to the copper version from Epic when I come across a price that I like.
 
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