Glad im not the only one who saw that discussion then. I was wondering where that whole thing went too.
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It exploded and got out of hand. One guy was accusing them of making them in Asia somewhere. The EDS guys certainly weren't handling it very diplomatically. Sounded like they didn't have a clue what they were talking about.
Hope it all works out for both.
I kinda hope whoever is being a jerk gets screwed big time, and it really sounds like that would be EDS.
Had an authentic on my wish list, but being 100% sure I have a clone is starting to sound like I did OK for myself
The machinist in me has been curious since you made the post about it, glad to see it's working now! Out of curiosity, how much material needed to be removed?
If I had known how bad the threads were before I started messing with it I would have sent it back. I couldn't even get the tap to start from the outside. I had tap from the inside out using a nut driver and socket on the end of the tap. I didn't just clean up the threads I cut threads all the way thru. I'm a millwright so using a tap is nothing new to me.
It really depends on your atomizer's 510 connection and positive pin length. Some will require button top, some will require flat top.
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My god when will you people stop supporting these lying, cheating amateurs whom pretend to do business trust to steal your cash.
Facebook isn't a place to do business it's a social media playground for 14 year old kids.
Don't give people like this money. It encourages them to continue robbing people.
Btw the clones are flawless, so for all we know Epic is selling clones to us.
They sold out once, who knows what they restocked with.
I sure don't trust anyone that will lie to their customers about a for partner.
Again stop supporting these half wits who pretend to run a business.
Facebook isn't a place to do business it's a social media playground for 14 year old kids.
Don't give people like this money. It encourages them to continue robbing people.
Btw the clones are flawless, so for all we know Epic is selling clones to us.
They sold out once, who knows what they restocked with.
I sure don't trust anyone that will lie to their customers about a for partner.
Again stop supporting these half wits who pretend to run a business.
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So, just to add what I've heard today to the conversation, I just bought a copper SMPL from Nashville Vapor here in TN, and when I asked about it, they confirmed that the ones they were selling were sourced from Vapor Lair, but were confirmed authentic. Basically, they called both Vapor Lair and Epic and talked to them before they agreed to sell them (Nashville Vapor only sells authentics), and what they figured out is Vapor Lair had received a batch of authentics prior to the falling out that the two companies had, but after the falling out, Epic decided to play the childish card and make a big statement saying that SMPLs being sold by VL weren't authentic (even though they were), and made a change to their packaging to try to separate their authentics from the authentics that VL was selling. Vapor Lair authentic SMPLs are apparently confirmed as absolutely not clones, but EDS is refusing to honor warranty on them, just the same. Sounds like a bunch of kiddie bull crap if you ask me.
Of note, according to NV, Vapor Lair has agreed to basically back any of the SMPLs they sell on their own, so even though you don't have an EDS warranty, you still have service through VL directly. I decided to go ahead and pick one up in copper, because I've heard from several people that threading and other machining is a smidge better on the authentics than on the clones, and I can't say I'm disappointed. This thing is clean, and hits like a champ. And, for what it's worth, it's just about impossible to find copper "EDS-approved" authentics on the market right now.
Of note, according to NV, Vapor Lair has agreed to basically back any of the SMPLs they sell on their own, so even though you don't have an EDS warranty, you still have service through VL directly. I decided to go ahead and pick one up in copper, because I've heard from several people that threading and other machining is a smidge better on the authentics than on the clones, and I can't say I'm disappointed. This thing is clean, and hits like a champ. And, for what it's worth, it's just about impossible to find copper "EDS-approved" authentics on the market right now.
Wow, thats gotta be the most information ive read on the subject. Kinda pisses me off, all those times i thought i was helping and informing people to check on there smpl to make sure it wasnt a clone, was completely pointless. I was only going by what i was told, from epic, so i apologize if i made anyone question the authenticity of there mod. Stupid me. On another note, i have both an authentic and a clone, its extremely hard to differentiate the 2, i have one of the first run authentics before they changed to the concave button, other then that everything else is pretty spot on. In my case at least.
And just so this doesn't devolve into a big fiasco, just a disclaimer: what I said in my previous post was just what I was told by one of the guys at my local Nashville Vapor store. I take him at his word, because they've always been reputable and up front about what they sell, and they're super-vigilant about only selling authentics, even though I imagine it results in them having lower sales volumes with all the clone-selling stores around. When I asked him about the packaging, he came right out and told me that they were sourced from Vapor Lair and explained the whole situation without me even asking for details, and that while they were authentic they wouldn't be covered by the EDS warranty. I'm sure if you asked EDS they would deny it, so I don't want to spark a war over authenticity. I just trust what my local store tells me, and it makes sense with what I've read in the previous posts.
I still cant believe they wont stand behind there product, NO matter who or where sells it. I get they reserve that right in a sense but what the hell? We're a consumer, we have no business in what is going on behind the scenes. Regardless of where its bought, its still there product people are supporting in the end. Thats a pretty sketchy move in my opinion.
Yeah, I agree. If it weren't for the fact that a) I like to support my local store and b) I prefer buying authentics when I can afford them just out of principle, I probably would have gone ahead and bought a clone just as a statement against this level of childish crap. If another company had a mod out similar to the SMPL (no-top cap design, minimalist engraving, recessed button with no lock, small form-factor, good quality track-record, and lowish price) I would have gone with it in a heartbeat. But in the end of the day, the SMPL is the mod that had the functionality and form-factor I wanted, and there weren't any great similar alternatives. Maybe the market is ripe for someone to come along with a similar design but with a scalable business model and a focus on the customer. Dunno.
I get what you mean, honestly everything you wanted in a mod is exactly what i look for when buying a mod, the smpl had it all. And to be honest, if i was to do it again i would of either went with the tomahawk or the trinity by Nar. Considering i got copper as my authentic and those 2 mods are made in both copper but the tomahawk is a little more expensive then all 3 but is still a sick mod. Ive wanted to sell my copper smpl for a while now but i didnt keep the tube it came in so im kinda screwed proving it's authenticity especially now with all this fake tube crap going around.
Yeah, I'm not too worried about resale value - I just wanted a mod I knew would work, and had few moving parts to break, so it'd have a better shot at lasting me a while. I know full well that by buying the VL version, my chances at resale are crap right now, just because no matter what I hear from my local store, a lot of people are going to take Epic's authentication as the final word. After all, they're the ones with their names stamped on the button. I'm not too worried about it though. I bought this mod for myself, not to flip or to preserve value down the line. If I wanted to preserve value, I'd have just put the money in a savings account, after all.
I just dont use mech mods as much anymore, i moved over to regulated boxes. So thats why i was looking to sell it, the smpl was my favorite mod and technically if i had to still pick one itd be that one. It just collects dust now, i do break it out every once in a blue moon just cause.
So apparently the plot thickens. Vapor Lair has announced up on their Instagram that they're working with a new partner REM Creations to make a new SMPL 2.0. It looks like we may have a Kayfun/Russian situation on our hands. At least it looks like they say the new switches are compatible with the old SMPL, so maybe if I'm lucky I can talk them into just selling me one of the new switches (which looks like it's the only thing they're changing). Well, at the end of the day if they can find a supplier who will work to keep supply on the shelves, and turn out a good product, it'll be a good thing for the consumer.
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