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Kathy: Most snus portions I've used for vaping do not emit much aroma. But the little cigar piece does. And "full flavor" Discreet snus does. These might be off-putting to someone near you.
I demonstrated the whole-tobacco-alkaloid mix to a periodontist, who smelled it from six feet, waved her hands, said it smelled like a cigar and I could not use it in her office. Most smokers have such a damaged sense of smell (and taste) that they smell nothing.
I demonstrated the whole-tobacco-alkaloid mix to a periodontist, who smelled it from six feet, waved her hands, said it smelled like a cigar and I could not use it in her office. Most smokers have such a damaged sense of smell (and taste) that they smell nothing.
I prefer the Original portions but the White are fine.
Are ya soaking these or under the lip?
Are ya soaking these or under the lip?
And something some of you have been waiting for:
A simplified WTA extraction... coming soon.
The main safety concern with this procedure will be flammability. Expect a list of warnings half a mile long, along with me trying to anticipate every hair-brained shortcut someone might try to take along with an explanation of why trying to take these shortcuts qualifies someone as an idiot. If you're too much of a rebel to follow some prudent safety recommendations, don't even think about doing it.
You'll be entirely responsible for the outcome, I'll cover my ... with disclaimers and warnings until you're sick of reading them.
Compared to the highly technical WTA extraction I've been doing, this one is much simplified, but it still involves a bit of detailed work. As far as cleanliness of the WTA produced, you should expect considerably less tobacco gunk than with the current procedures being discussed, but it will be nowhere near as clean as the more technical WTA extraction. Consider it to be "in between" the two.
Also, since I've designed it to work AS WRITTEN, don't expect a lot of assistance from me in helping you substitute materials or procedures. If you're not prepared to do what I say exactly how I say to do it, you're on your own.
Since most of you won't have the means to test the final WTA liquid for alkaloid concentration, it will be important for you to use exactly the tobacco I specify. This will be the 100% organic Natural American Spirit (red label). This stuff can be bought in 40 gram pouches for 8 or 9 dollars. The solvent you'll need will run you a lot, and you might have trouble getting it. I've found it on Froogle at $70 for a liter. This might sound like a lot, but each WTA extraction should only require about 50 mL, so a liter will be good for 20 extractions, or only a few dollars per extraction. Yes, you will be able to find cheaper grades of this solvent, and no, I will not support or recommend substituting a cheaper grade than I specify. See what I mean? I'm already packing in the warnings, and I've not even written out the procedure yet! 8-o
As I envision it, following the procedure exactly and correctly should allow you to produce around 5 mL of 30 mg WTA, or proportionally more of lower WTA concentrations. I'll say this, most folks will not need or be able to handle WTA at 30 mg. Unless you're an inveterate tobacco junkie.. like Bob or Vic... you might want to start at 10 mL of 15 mg WTA.
Anyway, the basic procedure has proven itself to work, and now I need to spend a week or two tweaking it up.
A simplified WTA extraction... coming soon.
The main safety concern with this procedure will be flammability. Expect a list of warnings half a mile long, along with me trying to anticipate every hair-brained shortcut someone might try to take along with an explanation of why trying to take these shortcuts qualifies someone as an idiot. If you're too much of a rebel to follow some prudent safety recommendations, don't even think about doing it.
You'll be entirely responsible for the outcome, I'll cover my ... with disclaimers and warnings until you're sick of reading them.
Compared to the highly technical WTA extraction I've been doing, this one is much simplified, but it still involves a bit of detailed work. As far as cleanliness of the WTA produced, you should expect considerably less tobacco gunk than with the current procedures being discussed, but it will be nowhere near as clean as the more technical WTA extraction. Consider it to be "in between" the two.
Also, since I've designed it to work AS WRITTEN, don't expect a lot of assistance from me in helping you substitute materials or procedures. If you're not prepared to do what I say exactly how I say to do it, you're on your own.
Since most of you won't have the means to test the final WTA liquid for alkaloid concentration, it will be important for you to use exactly the tobacco I specify. This will be the 100% organic Natural American Spirit (red label). This stuff can be bought in 40 gram pouches for 8 or 9 dollars. The solvent you'll need will run you a lot, and you might have trouble getting it. I've found it on Froogle at $70 for a liter. This might sound like a lot, but each WTA extraction should only require about 50 mL, so a liter will be good for 20 extractions, or only a few dollars per extraction. Yes, you will be able to find cheaper grades of this solvent, and no, I will not support or recommend substituting a cheaper grade than I specify. See what I mean? I'm already packing in the warnings, and I've not even written out the procedure yet! 8-o
As I envision it, following the procedure exactly and correctly should allow you to produce around 5 mL of 30 mg WTA, or proportionally more of lower WTA concentrations. I'll say this, most folks will not need or be able to handle WTA at 30 mg. Unless you're an inveterate tobacco junkie.. like Bob or Vic... you might want to start at 10 mL of 15 mg WTA.
Anyway, the basic procedure has proven itself to work, and now I need to spend a week or two tweaking it up.
Well, at least you now know to stay away from the General brand! At least the standard flavors as they're all pretty much the same. Try the Ettan, good tobacco flavor but much milder than the General line.
I got 5 tins of General white. Forgot to specify mint. Duh.........
The mint is much better. I put 2 drops of Loranns peppermint, spearmint, wintergreen on each one. Any of the oily stuff you cant use in eliquid. Even Orange Oil.
I'll get through them now. Waste not , want not.
And talk abt a menthol junkie...lol.....I even put menthol crystals in the "tins".
Been to the Dr a few times lately. Those little disposable ear "cups" make great mini funnels....he gave me 3 ea of 3 diff sizes.
The mint is much better. I put 2 drops of Loranns peppermint, spearmint, wintergreen on each one. Any of the oily stuff you cant use in eliquid. Even Orange Oil.
I'll get through them now. Waste not , want not.
And talk abt a menthol junkie...lol.....I even put menthol crystals in the "tins".
Been to the Dr a few times lately. Those little disposable ear "cups" make great mini funnels....he gave me 3 ea of 3 diff sizes.
The bergamot type snus can be an.... acquired taste, and some people never acquire it. There are a number of colorful names people have given general snus. After all, this is from the land that has given us Luke-fish.
As OTD mentioned, Ettan is a good place to start for the non-flavored. 01 (or 02 if you need more nicotine) is also a nice inoffensive non-flavored snus. For the flavored General Wintergreen seems to be on many peoples list, including mine. LD Black is good if your into black licorice. The list goes on but that would be a good starting point. No doubt TB may chime in with some of his favorites.
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I'll chime in only to say I pretty much agree on General White. But I do like the General Mini Mint (have one in my mouth as I type this). And I've grown to like the General Wintergreen, which garnered an initial "yuck" reaction from me.
I like Ettan, but it's just tobacco and might well turn off new snusers.
Want something good? Take a General Mini Mint portion and soak it in Creme de Cocoa. Ah, instant Peppermint Pattie.
I like Ettan, but it's just tobacco and might well turn off new snusers.
Want something good? Take a General Mini Mint portion and soak it in Creme de Cocoa. Ah, instant Peppermint Pattie.
Thanks DVap, I am really looking forward to this.
I've found that my Son has already relapsed and is smoking again. I have already had the "talk" with him explaining that I understood and that I will have a solution soon that should help us both. When I have this available I will try to get him back on to his PV.
I wonder if we could convince American Spirit to produce the tobacco in Pipe Tobacco form? Several of the RYO companies have converted their RYO tobacco into "Pipe Tobacco" format and avoid the tremendously high tax.
Oh, so I see others have this reaction to General White portions, too. Figured I was one of a few to not get with the program. Well, ol' buddy, I'm new to this, but let me give my recommendation: Thunder Frosted mini portions... a small hint of spearmint and very mild all the way around, no salt, pepper or citrus. I can throw one in and forget about it. My 2 cents
.As word gets out I'm sure you'll need to post this over and over in large print to keep from being driven batty
. Of the core group, here, I'm most likely to say "what?" in regard to your procedure due to your ability to assume that if a monkey understands it, TV should too. Other than that, your instructions will be followed to the letter. And thank you, we know you've put much time and expense into this for the benefit of others. Not to mention the kahoona's you're sportin' in making it available to all .DVap, You know everyone will appreciate it.
I'd post it in the 3rd person
"There is a guy, alot like me, and he made WTA by doing..........."
I have 2 portions of Grovsnus 12mg soaked in 5ml 24mg PG for 1 hr.
Talk abt dark! If I had let these soak for 2 hrs they might have turned to putty!
I'd post it in the 3rd person
"There is a guy, alot like me, and he made WTA by doing..........."
I have 2 portions of Grovsnus 12mg soaked in 5ml 24mg PG for 1 hr.
Talk abt dark! If I had let these soak for 2 hrs they might have turned to putty!
DVap, You know everyone will appreciate it.
I'd post it in the 3rd person
"There is a guy, alot like me, and he made WTA by doing..........."
I have 2 portions of Grovsnus 12mg soaked in 5ml 24mg PG for 1 hr.
Talk abt dark! If I had let these soak for 2 hrs they might have turned to putty!
Ditto on the first paragraph. Maybe available by PM only at first?
Vaporer, your time limit on the soak is to preserve the WTA?
...anyway, I don't know if there's any difference, but today on the way to work, I had just put in a General White portion, then took a drink of water (couldn't decide which I need more, so the nic won out on the survival scale), which brought on hiccups for several minutes. I'm thinking the white portions release the nic faster when they get wet, since I haven't had this with the others. I drink approx. 3/4 of a gallon of water a day, but this is the only time I've had this happen. Any possibilities, Vaporer?a2d, yes, Trying to see what the minimum time is to get something useable out of the snus like WTA. Honestly , I'm just going through snus I dont care for at this point. Each brand may be different. A true test would use the same type through the whole test, varying the soak time.
This is more like" is there something coming out I can feel" test.
TV, Thats where I'm confused kinda. Thunder Frosted quells my urge as the best type of snus I've tried so far. It's 17mg nic. If I put 1/2 tab of Stonewall in I stand abt a 50% chance of getting the hiccups from to much nic. The Thunder will last me for 2-3 hrs so it must be releasing slowly. I've never felt close to hiccups with them.
I wet all the portions before I tuck them into place. After that the whites just arent as juicy as the original portions. It may very well be that getting it wet let the nic go for you. You might just have been lower than normal and with it being wet it boosted your system pretty quick.
This is more like" is there something coming out I can feel" test.
TV, Thats where I'm confused kinda. Thunder Frosted quells my urge as the best type of snus I've tried so far. It's 17mg nic. If I put 1/2 tab of Stonewall in I stand abt a 50% chance of getting the hiccups from to much nic. The Thunder will last me for 2-3 hrs so it must be releasing slowly. I've never felt close to hiccups with them.
I wet all the portions before I tuck them into place. After that the whites just arent as juicy as the original portions. It may very well be that getting it wet let the nic go for you. You might just have been lower than normal and with it being wet it boosted your system pretty quick.
a2d, I think they'd PM him to death.
He might get PM's from 1000+ lurkers!
I'd still post it in the 3rd person and no support since "I" didnt do it...lol
Being a chemist he might explain what this or that means...but not much more.
Soaked snus when vaped tastes like the snus. Period. Nothing like lip smacking WTA.
If there is any WTA in it, the flavor is over riding that wonderful WTA analog taste.
He might get PM's from 1000+ lurkers!
I'd still post it in the 3rd person and no support since "I" didnt do it...lol
Being a chemist he might explain what this or that means...but not much more.
Soaked snus when vaped tastes like the snus. Period. Nothing like lip smacking WTA.
If there is any WTA in it, the flavor is over riding that wonderful WTA analog taste.
That's true, I had vaped a little before I left, not much, and hadn't had any snus for around 2 hours prior. Just struck me that maybe the white portions give up their nic quicker when wet compared to the juicier ones. Hoped that might indicate a faster soak. Also, in trying to retrieve the WTA, I'd think 2 hours would be an outside maximum. That is unless the pH in saliva has something to do with it as opposed to pH in PG/VG. Darned if I know
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