So how many of you don't care about e-cigarettes?
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Nice job, and kudos to your aunt.
No connections here, but please keep us updated on both your aunt's request and any media contact.Storm, Well, it's almost time to sleep, but let me know where they are, now that you mentioned it I remember reading something about the certificates, but now I can't finde them. Post to let me know, I'll check them later, definitely sounds interesting.
thanks!
I'm off too, and going to bed.
The certificate thread can be found here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9627-get-your-ny-death-certificate-today.html
Newest count of people standing up for themselves: Petition - 296, Survey - 1413
We've almost doubled the number of petition signers and are close to Kristin's first goal of 1500 respondents for the survey, but it's not enough. Ever heard of united we stand, divided we fall? How about united we vape, divided we smoke.
We've almost doubled the number of petition signers and are close to Kristin's first goal of 1500 respondents for the survey, but it's not enough. Ever heard of united we stand, divided we fall? How about united we vape, divided we smoke.
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That's a great idea! And we'd love to have her join CASAA, too! We can always use vaping doctors!!
This is an issue of huge importance. I think one of the reasons the NY Assemby can get away with passing something like this unanimously is that there is no real weighty public opposition. Sure, they get a few letters from vapors and ignore them, but for the most part, this sort of thing flies under the radar.
Right now in the U.S. there is tremendously broad dissatisfaction with government, and this sort of issue can be channeled in to that broader sentiment; it can be made symbolic of what many perceive as a larger problem. The trouble is that people have to know about it first, and that requires media coverage. I applaud your efforts to make inroads with the media on this.
So far as the media goes, it likely isn't any sort of institutional bias against e-cigs or tobacco harm reduction. It's more likely that the issue isn't perceived as "sexy" enough to warrant the paper or electronic real estate necessary to cover it. Honestly, we might be better off with conservative and/or libertarian/tea party media sources, blogs, etc., by posing it in the broader context of excessive government regulation. However, some of that can be a little "fringey" and so you have to be careful that it doesn't back fire if it is perceived as coming from an extreme ideological position.
If we are going to approach the mainstream media, which would obviously be preferrable, then we need to find a way to cast the issue in such a way that the media will feel that their readers and listeners will tune in and listen. Probably the media perceives the issue as too narrow, not enough people smoke, and far fewer use e-cigs, plus there is no real "drama." Maybe if 500 vapors got together and picketed the NY statehouse the media would take notice.
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My thoughts exactly.
As crazy as it might sound, I have been saying for a long time now that getting our story on Oprah is exactly what is needed. And we need to use the angle of saving the lives of those we love.
If we got a positive segment on Oprah, I don't think they could EVER ban them.
I've done both of those and some other things but I have a feeling that the FDA, etc. may choose to ignore it in favor of their own agenda. That's one of the several reasons behind my weaning off of nicotine while I still have the chance to do so comfortably. I would encourage others to do the same. The reason: I had to ask myself "If the FDA were to successfully ban e-cigs outright, would I go back to analogs?". I've regained too much quality of life to allow that. Vaping is pleasurable and to do it at 0mg nicotine would still be enjoyable and allow one not to be enslaved to the FDA's whims via nicotine addiction. Just my perspective...
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#304 on the petition. I signed them and mailed them out from work too, took 2 minutes. 
I signed them and mailed them out from work too, took 2 minutes.
#304 on the petition.
Three hundred and four!! That's good andrea, but still not enough!! Come on people we need more, lot's more signatures!!!!
BUMP!!!!
Well what the Etc. people need to understand is if they insist on taking this particular stance they will be permanently losing the donations of somewhere between 300,000 and 800,000 american vapers plus their friends and families. Personally I want "send donations to CASAA in lieu of flowers" printed in my obituary.
This petition now goes to more than just the FDA, but PLEASE REMEMBER TO MAIL EVERY LETTER OUT as soon as possible (You need to print them -the adobe version- and mail them yourselves).
I wanted to note that there have already been petitions done. Take a look, this one even had over 13,000 signatures, but it closed:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available
How was that one able to get over 13,000 signatures ???
Do we need to raise awareness of e-cigarette-forum.com (or ECF)? This would be one major important goal, if an ECF member vaper has good communication with anyone in the media.
Note also that there is a smaller and totally different forum at
e-cigaretteforum, the important difference is the second dash is missing. So make sure you spell the link to people you refer to ECF very carefully, ECF does have TWO dashes, the first, and the second.
Also, note that here ther appears to be an open petition as well. If it's open and legitimate and helpful, someone please state so. This one (If open and legitimately helpful to us vapers) seems to be struggling too, it appears to be dated August 2009, and does not even have 400 signatures:
Petition to Save the Electronic Cigarette - Signatures
Does CASAA have a petition themselves? Last time I visited their website I didn't even find a button to click so I could send a few dollars?
Everything is too confusing it seems sometimes.
I wanted to note that there have already been petitions done. Take a look, this one even had over 13,000 signatures, but it closed:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-life-saving-electronic-cigarettes-available
How was that one able to get over 13,000 signatures
???Do we need to raise awareness of e-cigarette-forum.com (or ECF)? This would be one major important goal, if an ECF member vaper has good communication with anyone in the media.
Note also that there is a smaller and totally different forum at
e-cigaretteforum, the important difference is the second dash is missing. So make sure you spell the link to people you refer to ECF very carefully, ECF does have TWO dashes, the first, and the second.
Also, note that here ther appears to be an open petition as well. If it's open and legitimate and helpful, someone please state so. This one (If open and legitimately helpful to us vapers) seems to be struggling too, it appears to be dated August 2009, and does not even have 400 signatures:
Petition to Save the Electronic Cigarette - Signatures
Does CASAA have a petition themselves? Last time I visited their website I didn't even find a button to click so I could send a few dollars?
Everything is too confusing it seems sometimes.
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They do now have a way to send donations on their website.
I have been watching for it for awhile now, and it was only recently available.
But I haven't seen anything yet that tells everyone that it is available.
But then I don't read the CASAA subforum much, so maybe they said something there?
CASAA is a part of the Vapers Coalition, which is fronting the EcigsSaveLives.info petition (I'm a CASAA board member, too.)
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