So, let's say the FDA wins......

[champions]

.....and they end up taxing the .... out of the juice or hardware. Would you go back to analogs (those of you that have been free of them for months)? Or pay the outrageous prices? Or find an underground source (like with Cuban cigars for example)?

For me, I think I would just cut my current supply of juice to virtually no nic, ween myself down and just put the pv down for good (and not look back at analogs). This was my plan from the start.

A lot of the motivation for people seems to be saving money. If saving money is taken out of the equation (I know, I know none of us are really "saving" money) what would you do?


...I still chuckle that this site is for those over 18, yet some words are still censored.

 

[Dan1911]

VIVA LA RESISTANCE! (spelling?)

No but seriously, I couldn't see myself ever going back to analogs.. Mostly because

A) I feel amazing now that I quit smoking
and
B) They smell and taste like total...you know..

I would prolly get me a set of juice that went down in nicotine level to ween myself off nicotine completely. After that I'd either quit completely or vape on 0 nic juice.

 

[Heartbskts]

I'm thinkin I am going to stock up on the plain nic juice and do a whole lotta DIY!! I've already got a bazillion Lorann's flavorings from every pharmacy that I could hit in 2 different towns near me. I have the VG & PG, so all I need is the unflavored nic juice and if I buy alot of it, I should be set. I have enough fsusa juice to last me til (I'm guessin jan) and then I coulld DIY if I have to. I don't want to though because I love the pre-mix juice that I do order. And yes, I would wean myself down to 0 nic

 

[Heartbskts]

Ohhh, I guess I need to factor in extra hardware too- didn't think about that!!

 

[grandmato5]

Saving money wasn't the reason I started to vape although a nice side benefit. If I was looking at it from a purely "high tax" factor I'd probably just pay the higher cost to vape. DIYing my own juice would help cut down on the cost. Returning to analogs is not an option as far as I'm concerned. Wasn't the reason I started to vape but a few weeks into the process decided that I do wish to use vaping to slowly decrease my nic intake at my own pace to eventually get rig of my nic addiction so that's my plan. Hopefully it will work but I know it won't happen quickly so I've stocked up on enough supplies to hopefully get me to that point no matter what the FDA does in the next 18 months.

 

[LordDavon]

When the FDA does start regulating nicotine juices, then the prices will go up. This will most likely make costs of juiced products go up because most of the little vendors where we get juices will no longer be able to handle the certifications and regulations. Big Tobacco will start selling carts (in packs) and juices will go underground. Vaping will still be a better option than analog cigs for the health reasons but, many people will turn away because it is more complicated.

In Florida, state taxes are much higher than federal taxes on cigarettes. Once states realize that they can tax e-cigarettes, they will. Any product that is considered a "luxury" item is usually taxed. Tobacco and alcohol are taxed extremely high because people will continue to buy them even with outrageous taxes.

I turned to e-cigs for health reasons. I was recently diagnosed with a lung disease. It seems I was born with it and smoking for 25 years made it a huge issue in my life. Vaping hasn't completely killed my desire for analog cigs but, I have gone from 20 to 4 a day. I hope that once I get better with vaping, I will cut out the analog completely. I will continue to vape even at the higher taxes but, I will use it as a "smoking cessation aid".

 

[sl_rat]

well.... the government has done such a bang up job in the "war on drugs". if nic juice went black market, i would be a criminal. no analogs for a year. no analogs ever again!!!!

 

[nickf41680]

def would not go back..i dont think its possible to tax zero nic juice i think they are going to have a real hard time doing this.....

 

[Liv2Ski]

Nope I would not go back to analogs. I am sitting on a liter of 100mg/ml nic and vape at around 9-10mg/ml. Mixed that would give me about 2.2 years worth of juice at a 10ml/day habit. If I see any indication that they will try to control nic I would buy another 1 or 2 liters. I doubt they will be able to control hardware like MODs, atty's, etc if sold seperately without juice. They may be able to control products like smoking everywhere since they are prepacked "kits" but most of us do not use that junk. Man I just love the fact that we have so many well "educated" people in the gov't looking out for our best interests ----NOT

 

[nickf41680]

Nope I would not go back to analogs. I am sitting on a liter of 100mg/ml nic and vape at around 9-10mg/ml. Mixed that would give me about 2.2 years worth of juice at a 10ml/day habit. If I see any indication that they will try to control nic I would buy another 1 or 2 liters. I doubt they will be able to control hardware like MODs, atty's, etc if sold seperately without juice. They may be able to control products like smoking everywhere since they are prepacked "kits" but most of us do not use that junk. Man I just love the fact that we have so many well "educated" people in the gov't looking out for our best interests ----NOT

i agree!!!! if they were looking out for OUR best interests they would promote,advertise positive information about the hobby (vaping) that just might save millions of people from developing (god forbid) cancer,diesease, and other negative occurences that are a result of burning the inside of you rbody with analogs!!
just money hungry B!@#$^%'s

LIV2SKI-- i see u got ur banner working

 

[KRiPT1C]

well.... the government has done such a bang up job in the "war on drugs". if nic juice went black market, i would be a criminal. no analogs for a year. no analogs ever again!!!!

Dido... Where there is a will there is a way. Me and a friend of mine have already grown our own tobacco, cured and smoked it. (That was before I found vaping) It's an easy plant to grow, just like some "other" plants and yields very well.

A clean room, some PPE, maybe a class or two and some research on a practice already in common use and no one I know would ever have to stop.

That's the extreme worst case but I doubt it will come to that. In my state analogs are 8.25 a pack. It would have to get taxed really high before it would be more to vape. The thing that I would likely be disappointed in the diminished source's. If big tobacco was producing the carts I would never trust them. I mean look at what they have already done to most all of us.

There is no going back for me. Not to analogs and not to the companies that produce them...

 

[KRiPT1C]

Man I just love the fact that we have so many well "educated" people in the gov't looking out for our best interests ----NOT

It's the "not looking out for our best interests" that is the thing for me. They are plenty smart, they would just rather have us all dependent on things that will kill us, they could fine us for or that we have to pay to have them license. Pharma, Big tobacco, law enforcement. These are big business, big money, huge influence. It's not that we don't have a voice, it's just that money speak's louder...

 

[SuziesMom]

I wouldn't go back...I do smoke a few analogs here and there, and every time I do, I regret it. I'd stock up the same way I did when NY went to $4 per pack in taxes. Then I bought them in PA to save money.

I think we're looking at a few years before anything goes into full effect. It's going to be difficult to write the laws because when you think about it- isn't a coffee cup a drug delivery device?

It's the juices that are going to be taxed to all getout. They'll try to regulate the devices, but how do you really make battery powered heating elements illegal, or taxable? It will be a pain in the .... cat and mouse game, but smart vapers will find a way.

You can make the no nic juices yourself, but they'll probably implement a scheme where it's taxed by the mg or something like that.

What a smart pharma company could do is go through the new drug approval process, and have it OTC for certain vague mental conditions. Smokers are much more likely to suffer from depression- schizophrenics smoke like chimneys as a way of self medicating. There are nicotinic receptors in your brain the same way there are ones for other neurotransmitters. We'd pay more, but we'd still be able to get our fix.

How hard would it be to do the paperwork for marketing it as a smoking cessation device? The Nicatrol inhaler is only 10% effective after 6 months- vaping has to be better than that.

The really big problem is:

We've done gone and messed up the whole system with our vaping. The government LOVES LOVES LOVES smokers. We pay a small fortune in taxes, and DIE young- so no Social Security, no Medicare, no paying for nursing homes. Really the government would just prefer you to drop dead on your 65th birthday. It would make things much simpler for them.

By living longer we've just put a huge drain on the system. Ooops- my bad.

 

[AttyPops]

Sigh....

IDK On the one hand:

1) The FDA as far as I know is not a taxing authority.
2) They are responsible for looking out for our health. I am NOT a fan of how it as been handled, but I do expect some standards to be set in place, in particular for e-juice. Would also like to see some real studies performed in un-biased peer-review format.

On the other hand:
The way it has been handled so far is really sad, and all the propaganda from the "anti" crowd just makes it worse. My G-d, they make it seem that if vaping was actually fairly safe, the entire world would collapse! Basteds. Of course, it's the state/federal legislature that will tax... as soon as their tobacco revenue is threatened. So they need to "prime the pump" now, with as much negativity and "save us from vaping" mentality as they can drum up. Easier to TAX later.

 

[LordDavon]

The government LOVES LOVES LOVES smokers. We pay a small fortune in taxes, and DIE young- so no Social Security, no Medicare, no paying for nursing homes. Really the government would just prefer you to drop dead on your 65th birthday. It would make things much simpler for them.

Crap, you used my next point! I was waiting to use that one. HA! Oh well, GMTA! Nicely said though.

 

[LordDavon]

1) The FDA as far as I know is not a taxing authority.

That is 100% correct. I think people are assuming that once things are regulated, the federal taxes will come next. It is a safe assumption.

 

[martha1014]

I think the first thing they would do is regulate the nicotine levels. They may even make it where you could only purchase prefilled carts with a low level of nicotine. Since I vape 36mg. this would not work for me. I would purchase this just like all other illegal drugs.

 

[AttyPops]

That is 100% correct. I think people are assuming that once things are regulated, the federal taxes will come next. It is a safe assumption.

Agreed....I was editing...lol... ya have to read the 2nd half...lol

 

[BuzzKill]

It is VERY easy to make your own liquid nicotine ( google how to make liquid nic. ! ) the flavors will never go away and VG and PG wont either , + they will not outlaw tobacco ( your nicotine source ) so make your own or buy it from an dealer LOL !

the hardware can just change the name and wala its legal .

 

[5cardstud]

I make allot of my own PVs and have made my own eliquid so I don't care for myself what they do. However I will fight this to the end for the people who don't.