So my doc doesn't like vaping

[sofarsogood]

So I had my regular checkup at the VA yesterday. When the doc asked me about any changes since my last visit six months ago, I told her I had quit smoking by switching to vaping. She then immediately chimed in with "popcorn lung" and that ecigs have also been linked to pulmonary fibrosis.

Anybody got some decent links for counter arguments?

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If your doc is treating patients with illnesses caused by using an ecig perhaps she could tell you about that, or perhaps she could tell you about other docs she has spoken to who are treating such patients. Baring that she doesn't know any more about it than you do. You might also ask her if she recommends you stop vaping and resume smoking.

If vaping was similar risk to smoking I would choose vaping. Smoking cost me $3,000 a year. A year supply of DIY costs me $30. Even if my cigarettes were free I would choose to vape because it's a superior experience. Tobacco is obsolete.

 

[Super Flex]

Nicotine is NOT a carcinogen, and is no more harmful than caffeine. Has she given a reason she wants you to go zero nic? Sounds to me like she's bought into some propaganda.

She didn't give a reason but it's time to see her again and I am going to arm myself with material, data and scientific studies on Nic.

 

[Vaslovik]

She didn't give a reason but it's time to see her again and I am going to arm myself with material, data and scientific studies on Nic.

No, of course she didn't give a reason, because she has none and has just bought into the propaganda. Press her on it and I'm betting she gets irate about it, and lectures you in general terms that it's just not good for you without stating any facts at all. She's anti-smoking and thinks she has to be anti-vaping too like so many others, because to them it LOOKS like smoking.

 

[Frenchfry1942]

My doctor had a short but positive response. Thinking on it later I suspect that he doesn't want to be in a lawsuit. Doctors nowadays, went through med schools a good ways back. The do have follow-up learning via periodicals that publish what is given to them to publish. NEJM has had a couple of artricles detrimental to vaping. Pretty flimsy facts. I assume the grant manoey for the project came from a nefarious source.

There is a lot at stake in all this. With that said, I think my doctor wants to keep things simple in his life. Just stay out of the fray.

 

[crxess]

IMO, don't argue with your doctor. Vapers cherry pick the studies that support their argument. But we are hardly scientists that can decide what the truth really is.

If you develop the ailments they suggest, then they treat it. If not, it's a non issue.

Sadly Doctors are sent Cherry picked Science also. It promotes the Agenda of their Peers or Pharma or any of dozens of other organizations.

I agree with, Don't Argue - None of their Business.
VA = Federal level service = FDA Doctron

E-cigs Cause Popcorn lung - is a Broad Base Statement with -0- Backbone in Science.
PG,VG,Nic is a Vapable mix and has no DA/AP to possibly cause Popcorn lung.
No report of Popcorn Lung in a Vaper has ever been registered.

Read All you Can - Pro and Con - to make yourself as aware as possible and make your own informed decisions.
That is ALL most Doctors Do - Study, learn. Unfortunately, they spend much more time with patients than Books and Fall behind as time progresses.

 

[CMD-Ky]

There is a reason that the preparation physicians receive is described as "training". Physicians take science courses but, with the exception of research physicians, they are not scientists. There is a cook book, they follow it. They are trained to follow protocols and flow charts.

 

[crxess]

There is a reason that the preparation physicians receive is described as "training". Physicians take science courses but, with the exception of research physicians, they are not scientists. There is a cook book, they follow it. They are trained to follow protocols and flow charts.

Exactly and anything new must be vetted before adding to that Flow.

The Very FIRST thing a Dr should respond with when informed with ANY change is - and how has that change effected you life?
Medicine(Medical Practice) is for Quality of Life. Quality of life must often be evaluated on a one-on-one basis.

* Last note - Nicotine
People need to STOP Saying Nicotine is Harmless. Nicotine is NOT a Carcinogen, but It is still capable of being Dangerous. (with misuse/abuse/under (x) conditions)
Strawberries can kill

Fight Fire with Fire................Not Gas.

 

[leftyandsparky]

B'ham VA dr. Was ok with my dad vaping and didn't see a problem with it. But when he got hurt at work and had to go to a workmans comp.dr. she complained about popcorn lung. (Sad that they can't get on the same page)

 

[LMS62]

Regardless of how misinformed the Dr may be on vaping, it is simply their opinion. I never understood the mentality of switching/finding a different Dr just because they don't agree with you in regards to vaping, or any other aspect of your life.

I see the same thing in gun forums. Some gunowners will jump up and down, screaming, because in a conversation with their Dr, it turns out the Dr may not share their same views on gun ownership....as as a result, they now want to switch Drs.

 

[bacc.vap]

I may have to request a new doc. However, apart from the attitude about vaping, I actually like this one. She actually takes some other health issues I have (chonic pain in my back and hip that affects my walking) seriously as opposed to my previous doc who always gave me a "suck it up and drive on" attitude.

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If this is your only issue with the doc, and otherwise she's good, I wouldn't be to quick to jump ship. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Your health may ultimately contribute to her seeing past the ANTZ's propaganda.

 

[Vaslovik]

Sadly Doctors are sent Cherry picked Science also. It promotes the Agenda of their Peers or Pharma or any of dozens of other organizations.

Thank you for that, it was the point I was also making.

 

[lpboyle]

Found the infographic on the PHE study

I'll have to keep this handy for my next appointment.

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[subwayaznm]

My Doc thought it was a great idea and method of quitting. My test results have been staying steady and from what he says should improve with time as the longer I don't smoke my body will find that new normal which should be better

 

[Xcighippy]

My DR has the same attitude as yours OP. I found this article and plan to show him this on my next visit. It's the best article I've read on the subject.
What to Advise to Respiratory Patients Intending to Use Electronic Cigarettes - Riccardo Polosa - Discovery Medicine
Does anyone know how I can print this article without subscribing?

 

[sparkky1]

So I had my regular checkup at the VA yesterday. When the doc asked me about any changes since my last visit six months ago, I told her I had quit smoking by switching to vaping. She then immediately chimed in with "popcorn lung" and that ecigs have also been linked to pulmonary fibrosis.

Anybody got some decent links for counter arguments?

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Save your "counter arguments" for somebody who actually cares, at this point, you would just be educating yourself


A Billion Lives

 

[WattWick]

I wouldn't judge your doctor too much on her preconception of vaping. I would, however, judge her by her reaction to being encouraged to look deeper into the subject; and the controversies surrounding much of the "science".

While many of our lives (at times seem to) revolve around vaping and digging up support for our beliefs - we can't really expect everyone's lives being dedicated to googling for vape-support.

While some may go "Yeah but she's a doctor and all doctors should know all there is about thisandthat ..." - I'd say give her a break - and a second chance. Sounds like she's not (yet? ) deserving of being piled on the ANTZ/witch pyre. She may simply be uninformed and not consider vaping to be the most important subject a doc can dig into. Which I'm sure will, yet again, be considered ample reason for... well... the pyre.

Some times, us vapers seem like one big hostile overzealous cult. A statement I'm sure will land ME on the pyre

 

[subwayaznm]

My DR has the same attitude as yours OP. I found this article and plan to show him this on my next visit. It's the best article I've read on the subject.
What to Advise to Respiratory Patients Intending to Use Electronic Cigarettes - Riccardo Polosa - Discovery Medicine
Does anyone know how I can print this article without subscribing?

It appears to be several articles by several different authors; so just click on a certain link for the desired article and print page.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

Does anyone know how I can print this article without subscribing?

Hold ctrl and press P. It will print the entire article.

 

[defdock]

I'm sorry, I didn't read any post besides the Title.

I just find it funny how doctors can "push factual information" that hasn't ben tested, or even has ben to prove otherwise, to push fear into patients.


Recently seen a brain specialist for another family member and was 'told' by the doctor that "ecigs are worse than cigarettes for the brain, expecially for the neurotransmitters and how they behave" and that "if you can't quit, your be better off smoking normal cigarettes again"

Bunch of googling, long story short, the only "ingredient" in ejuice that can cause brain wave malfunction/ect is nicotine. Flavors are a different subject slightly as everyone has different allergies ect.

The specialist didn't say anything about nicotine, just "ecigs are bad".

Lots of faith in those who "take care of" our health...

 

[kbeam418]

I was in a vape shop once and some older man (60 ish) came in and wanted a starter kit. He said his doctor told him to switch to vaping because it is far safer. There are plenty of doctors who are on our side and plenty who are not. There people who have opinions just like anybody else. Put two doctors in a room and chances are they'll be arguing with each other