Just got my 48mg (Virginia and Unflavored) today from Chris at MyFreedomSmokes.com! It is the BOMB! After three draws I finally put my 510 down for more than 20 minutes!
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Just got my 48mg (Virginia and Unflavored) today from Chris at MyFreedomSmokes.com! It is the BOMB! After three draws I finally put my 510 down for more than 20 minutes!
just got my 48mg from them, it is great...will I vape it straight?nope.... I cut it. But I did try it without cut and, yup, I like it. I got 60ml for $37.95 shipped, it will last me a while.
Strange your talking about 36mg, as I just started vaping it about a week ago. At first I was nervous that I may over indulge and get some adverse effects. Nothing, not even a hint of overdose.
I vape it straight and constantly, along with about 10-15 analogs a day.
This was my first time ordering 36, I got it on a great special-thought maybe it wasn't truly 36. I do notice a much better throat/lung/nose hit, but then to I started using manual batteries with my 510 about the same time.
On a side note, whenever I was on prescription drugs my doc always had to up my dose till I hit a plateau. Blood pressure meds, Xanax, Librium, always needed more than the "normal" or "average" person.
Some of us are just more/less sensitive to certain stimulus, imo.
Which makes me wonder about the others vaping 36 or higher and not feeling it.
Do you have a high tolerance for meds, street drugs, alcohol?
I vape it straight and constantly, along with about 10-15 analogs a day.
This was my first time ordering 36, I got it on a great special-thought maybe it wasn't truly 36. I do notice a much better throat/lung/nose hit, but then to I started using manual batteries with my 510 about the same time.
On a side note, whenever I was on prescription drugs my doc always had to up my dose till I hit a plateau. Blood pressure meds, Xanax, Librium, always needed more than the "normal" or "average" person.
Some of us are just more/less sensitive to certain stimulus, imo.
Which makes me wonder about the others vaping 36 or higher and not feeling it.
Do you have a high tolerance for meds, street drugs, alcohol?
Smoked Marlboros for 20 years. I graduated from a pack, to a pack and a half, to often hitting two packs a day in recent years. But I started vaping, and gradually reduced my analog intake over about 3 weeks. Dropped to a pack a day, then about 15, then around ten, then 7, then five...... and maybe because I did it this way I never felt like I went thru any heavy withdrawls. I smoke seldom at all now. Just once in a while when I realy feel like one...and they pretty much taste like crap to me now. I don't know how it would have gone for me if I had tried to quit the analogs cold turkey. This method worked for me. Now I generally vape 11 - 18 mg stuff. I vape off and on all day, heavily in the evenings when watching the tube. Never had a buzz off of it. Don't feel the need to go to a stronger nic content. I breathe a heck of a lot better. And the fact that a guy like me (Who could never quit before) could cut this habit out the way that I have is a testament to what these things are capable of. A Godsend, IMO.
Gashin, Throat hit is NOT all that related to nicotine concentration. It's a function of flavoring.
Take a look at Terraphon or Terrafon's reveiw of Rum flavor. Massive throat hit, miniscule nicotine.
Best throat hit I've found is off cherry menthol (Cool Cherry Rush) from liquid express. Fantastic stuff, quickly becoming my favorite.
Same EXACT unflavored liqud with any other flavoring, zero throat hit.
The Wiz!
it is not just nicotine that we crave... it is other things too... we must be strong to seek the things that we want...
I smoked 2-3 and can get a buzz(although different kind of buzz) of 36mg. I didn't read this whole thread but individual results may vary person to person and five minutes as suggested in the study is not enough time for the vape to run the bloodstream gauntlet. So it is inconclusive what your intake really is.
I thought so too.... But remember Descarte! Descarte's idea was to find truth by examineing everything he knew for misconceptions.
MAYBE it isn't the other stuff. Maybe we are just looking for the right amount of nicotine, and maybe we aren't getting even close to that amount?
I agree that everyone is attached to a different part of the experience........from habit to flavor to nic.............or whatever
This is an important discussion in my opinion.
When I first got a pv, I smoked 12mg.. and I cut back smoking alot. I remember getting a headache/jaw pain and thinking it was nic.
Then as I got down to 2 analogs a day I found myself vaping constantly. So I upped my juice. Now I am doing about 18mg, but I'm always vaping. And I dont want to always be vaping, but I need to.
I think now that headache/jaw thing was the draw action of vaping. The draws are longer and harder and the jaw, I've noticed, works harder....
Last night, I was with a friend who smokes alot, and the first thing he said after a fefw draws is his jaw hurt. I was watching him vape then smoke... it was definitely alot more effort going into it.
I am going to experiment with 24 juice tomorrow and see if I can put this thing down from time to time!
When I first got a pv, I smoked 12mg.. and I cut back smoking alot. I remember getting a headache/jaw pain and thinking it was nic.
Then as I got down to 2 analogs a day I found myself vaping constantly. So I upped my juice. Now I am doing about 18mg, but I'm always vaping. And I dont want to always be vaping, but I need to.
I think now that headache/jaw thing was the draw action of vaping. The draws are longer and harder and the jaw, I've noticed, works harder....
Last night, I was with a friend who smokes alot, and the first thing he said after a fefw draws is his jaw hurt. I was watching him vape then smoke... it was definitely alot more effort going into it.
I am going to experiment with 24 juice tomorrow and see if I can put this thing down from time to time!
I think a lot of it depends on the unit you are using. I noticed since I have been using an 801 atty, that I have a lot easier time because the 801 draw is so much lighter and easier compared to other models. I still get the throat hit and satisfaction of my nic craving but with a lot less effort.
I'm sure it has an effect. But I am on a 510- easy draw with alot of vapor.... tons and tons it seems. lol.... No more jaw pain, thats for sure. Still need to hit all the time.
I wondered about that test. It just says it was used, but what does that mean? Did they hit it for to long and trigger an auto cutoff? Did they use are recommended and only puff 2-3 then wait 3 minutes? The test was to prove (I think) that an ecig was not an effective way to deliver a psyhosomething or other dose of nicotine.
Now I'm hearing there is a manufacturer that will lable 28mg bottle with 36mg upon request. I don't know which one it is yet, or I would let you guys know cuz thats bllsht.
I'm curious to see how it was used. Just used for 5 minutes tells me nothing.
Now I'm hearing there is a manufacturer that will lable 28mg bottle with 36mg upon request. I don't know which one it is yet, or I would let you guys know cuz thats bllsht.
I'm curious to see how it was used. Just used for 5 minutes tells me nothing.
Psychosomatic. That would be the physcial action of smoking, which the E-cig pretty much delievers on, no matter how you slice it. You are blasting a tastey vapor around, nicotine or no....
But you are quite right to question the test. I was REALLY hoping someone would link to it so we could discuss it. I haven't had good luck hunting myself.
Here are some links I found, none is what we want though. Worth a read either way.
WIRED Withdrawal relief of an electronic inhaled nicotine delivery device
edit: scratch that, I should have read into it a little more, there are barely any details.
Here is another one I just found, I haven't read it all though but looks good.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ecig_effect-2.pdf
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WIRED Withdrawal relief of an electronic inhaled nicotine delivery device
edit: scratch that, I should have read into it a little more, there are barely any details.
Here is another one I just found, I haven't read it all though but looks good.
http://www.healthnz.co.nz/ecig_effect-2.pdf
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Interesting thread. There is a different approach to the whole idea of nicotine absorption that hasn't been explored.
From what I have read the nicotine in e-cigs is mostly absorbed through the mouth and throat (mucus membrane) rather then the lungs as cigarettes are. This is much more like a pipe then a cigarette. If you really want to up the nicotine absorption a much easier way to do it, rather then raising the nicotine levels to absurd levels, is to raise the ph level of the liquid. That should noticeable bring up the nicotine absorption.
In case anyone is interested pipe tobacco has a high ph level, along with Swedish snus. That's what makes them such effective nicotine delivery systems.
I'll make a guess and say that you really need at least 3x to 4x better absorption to really be effective. You can always cut your nicotine levels if need be, or just vap a whole lot less.
Does anyone even know what the ph of e-juice is?
From what I have read the nicotine in e-cigs is mostly absorbed through the mouth and throat (mucus membrane) rather then the lungs as cigarettes are. This is much more like a pipe then a cigarette. If you really want to up the nicotine absorption a much easier way to do it, rather then raising the nicotine levels to absurd levels, is to raise the ph level of the liquid. That should noticeable bring up the nicotine absorption.
In case anyone is interested pipe tobacco has a high ph level, along with Swedish snus. That's what makes them such effective nicotine delivery systems.
I'll make a guess and say that you really need at least 3x to 4x better absorption to really be effective. You can always cut your nicotine levels if need be, or just vap a whole lot less.
Does anyone even know what the ph of e-juice is?
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