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Yeah, the thing is, they know it too. But they want their $$ and have the "power" to make everything a pain in the ... for us.
Sucks doesn't it!!! And not a thing we can do about it unless someones got a few spare million bucks to spend on a lawyer and I know that is NOT going to happen...LOL
I think there is a variance in nicotine absorbtion based on the performance of the atomizer. When I first got my kit, I was getting throat hits and was putting it down after 10 puffs or so. A couple days later and vapor production was way down. I'm using a cart mod, and I know it works well because each draw is very consistant... but even though I've solved that, my atomizers aren't putting out the throat hits like they did. It takes forever to drain a cart now. I was going through them much faster when they were new. I've got 5 atomizers for my 510 arriving tomorrow, so we'll see if using a new atomizer fixes things.
Basically, nicotine has a very short half life, so if the ammount of nicotine being absorbed per puff drops low enough, a person could vape all day and never quite reach the level they want. If the ammount per puff is high enough, a person should reach a point where they wouldn't want any more, otherwise the blood concentration would continue to climb.
Basically, nicotine has a very short half life, so if the ammount of nicotine being absorbed per puff drops low enough, a person could vape all day and never quite reach the level they want. If the ammount per puff is high enough, a person should reach a point where they wouldn't want any more, otherwise the blood concentration would continue to climb.
Reading what a couple people wrote about absorption in the mouth and nose and throat versus the lungs made me think they might be on to something.
I watched Scott's (igetcha) video on how to blow vapor rings because I discovered that my cat loves watching the rings drift around. So now I'd say I do more vaping to make rings than to get any inhaled nicotine. I can blow better rings if I just take the vapor in my mouth and knock out a line of rings without first inhaling.
Anyway, I've noticed that I'm getting some kind of satisfaction from it, as if I had inhaled the vapor like in normal vaping. Maybe I'm getting the nicotine via mouth absorption / adsorption? Just wondering.... the other interesting thing is that I cut my e-liquid with a lot of VG to get better vapor, so I'm getting my nicotine with an even lower number of mg per puff.
I watched Scott's (igetcha) video on how to blow vapor rings because I discovered that my cat loves watching the rings drift around. So now I'd say I do more vaping to make rings than to get any inhaled nicotine. I can blow better rings if I just take the vapor in my mouth and knock out a line of rings without first inhaling.
Anyway, I've noticed that I'm getting some kind of satisfaction from it, as if I had inhaled the vapor like in normal vaping. Maybe I'm getting the nicotine via mouth absorption / adsorption? Just wondering.... the other interesting thing is that I cut my e-liquid with a lot of VG to get better vapor, so I'm getting my nicotine with an even lower number of mg per puff.
Here's my take on all of this.
I was a heavy smoker. A pack a day of Full Flavor American Spirit Non-Filters.
I vape 36 mg, and I FEEL the nicotine, especially first vape of the day, just like analogs. I have not had an analog since I started vaping over a month ago and don't want one.
I am interested in trying the 48 mg, just so I can vape a little less, but the 36 mg gives me a great throat kick and a great Nic buzz.
Honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Happily vaping away....
Jeff
I was a heavy smoker. A pack a day of Full Flavor American Spirit Non-Filters.
I vape 36 mg, and I FEEL the nicotine, especially first vape of the day, just like analogs. I have not had an analog since I started vaping over a month ago and don't want one.
I am interested in trying the 48 mg, just so I can vape a little less, but the 36 mg gives me a great throat kick and a great Nic buzz.
Honestly I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Happily vaping away....
Jeff
Here is just 1 opinion....perhaps, with the fragility of legal status at the moment and the "drug" debate, the terminology some people use doesn't shine such a positive light on the e-cig user. Its America and so far there is free speach so I am not saying "Dont use those words" Im just saying that certain words some use to describe what people are looking for or what their bodies are feeling sound like flat out "drug addicts". Obviously I have a "nicotine addiction" and nicotine is legal. I am also a "coffeeholic" and caffeine is legal. Its just a Personal Issue I Have.....I curtail my words just to make myself feel better about not giving the FDA any "facts" to use to take these away. I am a drug addict (nicotine, caffeine) its the same thing. I just dont want to SOUND like a drug addict by saying that Im doing high nic to chase a "buzz" or a "high" cause to me It just makes me feel "normal". If I didnt have an analog for awhile and something stressful came my way, I'd want a cig and then I could calm down. So basically this long winded post is summed up by saying that It raises some peoples fur when we are made to sound like a street user. That is just my opinion and I have nothing bad to say about YOU. Its just the words and I dislike big brother just as much as the next but until these are legal, I will watch how I speak in regards to my love of my e-cig (35 years of analogs and quit them cold turkey thanks to these little gizmos). No offense meant NY
This thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-any-interest-determining-nicotine-dvap.html should help answer you question
I recieved my new atomizers. I notice that they are putting out about the same ammount of vapor as my 2 week old atomizers. So poor atomizer performance isn't the issue. I'm getting reasonable ammounts of vapor from both. Contrary to my hopes, the new atomizers don't give any more of a nicotine kick than the old ones. However, I should point out that I'm mostly tobacco free after several weeks of vaping.
I don't expect e-cigs to magically wipe out my desire for tobacco since there's more than nicotine in them... however there may be good reason to up the nicotine content. I remember reading that the half life of nicotine in the body was 30 minutes. I look around on the internet and find similar quotes, one suggesting that the brain is mostly nicotine free 40 minutes after the cigarette is put out.
What this means is that if you can't quickly consume the ammount of nicotine your body wants, it will be extremely difficult to smoke enough to satisfy that urge. If it takes 30 minutes to vape the same ammount of nicotine you get from 5 minutes from an analog, then you're basically looking at a perpetual vape to satisfy that urge.
Of course, if the idea is to lower your body's need for nicotine over time, vaping is GREAT. And for me, and I imagine a great many others, from an experiential perspective, this is both good and bad. Good because it's just as or more effective than nicotine gum (I quit chewing the gum because my jaw muscles were giving out) and actually keeps me off regular cigs, Bad because I'm constaintly vapeing. At least with gum it was a once an hour affair.
At the same time, it may happen that with constaint use my body will adjust and not need those same nicotine levels. I don't think the gum was doing anything to reduce my dependency on nicotine.
I've currently got about 60ml of juice, some 24mg and some 18mg. In the next couple weeks I will place another order for some 36 and 48. In theory, vapeing 48 would allow me to reach a desired nicotine level in a shorter ammount of time, and at the end of the day it's possible that my total nicotine consumption would be lower than constaintly vapeing 24mg. Also, it would save battery life, atomizer life, and there would be less juice usage.
So, I think the idea of using high strength juice has merit. Sticking it out with the suggested strengths has merit too. Rather than conjecture, more testing on my part is required before I can come to a reasonable conclusion. It may be the case that a constaint stream of low level nicotine will reduce dependency, whereas getting a dosage that's comparable with an analog may provide more satisfaction, yet maintain dependency. Whether being addicted to vapeing indefenantly is desirable or not is a matter of preference, though it seems a life of vapeing is preferable to a life of analogs.
I would guess that in order to experience a 4 minute vape that provides the same nicotine absorption of a regular cigarette would in fact require higher nicotine ratios. I can vape on 24 for 20 minutes and feel somewhat satisfyed. This would suggest that 96mg would provide a 4 minute smoke... however, keeping in mind the short half life of nicotine in the body, the actual figure should be substantially less. It's possible that 48mg would provide a 4 minute smoke. In theory, from the perspective of experience, 48mg should feel more than twice as strong as 24. If 48mg doesn't do the trick, the exact figure would still be less than 100/200/etc.
Another option would be to use a mod that produces more vapor. If you can vape as much 24mg in 4-5 minutes with a mod, as you can with a mini in 20 minutes, that same 24mg compressed into 4 minutes would produce much higher nicotine levels in the brain than spreading it out over 20 minutes.
Just some stuff to think about. Main thing is to stay off analogs, and if 18mg vaped in a mini all day keeps you off tobacco while also lowering your body's need for nicotine... that might be the best way to go about it. Finding the ideal mg to fully satisfy the urge may only perpetuate the addiction, though it's worth considering that a fully satisfying vape would be absent all the other chemicals in tobacco. So I think it's worth it to play with dosages and see what I can come up with.... at least to try 36 and 48 and see how it affects my vapeing habits.
I don't expect e-cigs to magically wipe out my desire for tobacco since there's more than nicotine in them... however there may be good reason to up the nicotine content. I remember reading that the half life of nicotine in the body was 30 minutes. I look around on the internet and find similar quotes, one suggesting that the brain is mostly nicotine free 40 minutes after the cigarette is put out.
What this means is that if you can't quickly consume the ammount of nicotine your body wants, it will be extremely difficult to smoke enough to satisfy that urge. If it takes 30 minutes to vape the same ammount of nicotine you get from 5 minutes from an analog, then you're basically looking at a perpetual vape to satisfy that urge.
Of course, if the idea is to lower your body's need for nicotine over time, vaping is GREAT. And for me, and I imagine a great many others, from an experiential perspective, this is both good and bad. Good because it's just as or more effective than nicotine gum (I quit chewing the gum because my jaw muscles were giving out) and actually keeps me off regular cigs, Bad because I'm constaintly vapeing. At least with gum it was a once an hour affair.
At the same time, it may happen that with constaint use my body will adjust and not need those same nicotine levels. I don't think the gum was doing anything to reduce my dependency on nicotine.
I've currently got about 60ml of juice, some 24mg and some 18mg. In the next couple weeks I will place another order for some 36 and 48. In theory, vapeing 48 would allow me to reach a desired nicotine level in a shorter ammount of time, and at the end of the day it's possible that my total nicotine consumption would be lower than constaintly vapeing 24mg. Also, it would save battery life, atomizer life, and there would be less juice usage.
So, I think the idea of using high strength juice has merit. Sticking it out with the suggested strengths has merit too. Rather than conjecture, more testing on my part is required before I can come to a reasonable conclusion. It may be the case that a constaint stream of low level nicotine will reduce dependency, whereas getting a dosage that's comparable with an analog may provide more satisfaction, yet maintain dependency. Whether being addicted to vapeing indefenantly is desirable or not is a matter of preference, though it seems a life of vapeing is preferable to a life of analogs.
I would guess that in order to experience a 4 minute vape that provides the same nicotine absorption of a regular cigarette would in fact require higher nicotine ratios. I can vape on 24 for 20 minutes and feel somewhat satisfyed. This would suggest that 96mg would provide a 4 minute smoke... however, keeping in mind the short half life of nicotine in the body, the actual figure should be substantially less. It's possible that 48mg would provide a 4 minute smoke. In theory, from the perspective of experience, 48mg should feel more than twice as strong as 24. If 48mg doesn't do the trick, the exact figure would still be less than 100/200/etc.
Another option would be to use a mod that produces more vapor. If you can vape as much 24mg in 4-5 minutes with a mod, as you can with a mini in 20 minutes, that same 24mg compressed into 4 minutes would produce much higher nicotine levels in the brain than spreading it out over 20 minutes.
Just some stuff to think about. Main thing is to stay off analogs, and if 18mg vaped in a mini all day keeps you off tobacco while also lowering your body's need for nicotine... that might be the best way to go about it. Finding the ideal mg to fully satisfy the urge may only perpetuate the addiction, though it's worth considering that a fully satisfying vape would be absent all the other chemicals in tobacco. So I think it's worth it to play with dosages and see what I can come up with.... at least to try 36 and 48 and see how it affects my vapeing habits.
Agreed. Its not only kind of pointless for 'The Haves' (those who are apparently fortunate to be able to get their required level of nicotine from their e-cigarettes) to constantly interject and disrupt in every thread where others -- 'The HaveNots' -- are trying to work out the mechanics of it and find solutions for whats still missing.. the constant interjections of snide assumptions of 'just trying to get a buzz' and constant related sorts of inferences and 'name-calling' are really quite counter-productive, in just the way described here. (even going so far questioning people's moral character fiber and mental health in the process seems just plain silly and is rather effective at derailing and driving a thread in to the ground when eventually invariably appropriately equally sillyresponses to these end up being made -- I've been guilty of a few 'well if you're that determined to act a fool/fine what the heck' sorts of responses myself)
Anyway,
Addressing those "Haves" who have been guilty of this --
If you're getting what you need -- great, bully for you!
Don't lord it over others, keep your Holier-Than-Thou attitudes and stay out of it and quit yer b*tching every time you see an honest discussion from people on a discovery as to why/whats missing and solutions for others who aren't yet (the 'HaveNots'), move on, 'Haves,' to some other thread, some other type of commenting, and be a bit more productive in the future, mmkay?
Thanks for your understanding, now move along drive through thank you!
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Could it be possible that we are addicted to more than just nicotine? With the tar and 4000+ chemicals in analogs, would it not be fair to say our bodys are craving more than just nicotine itself? Just a thought.
I think there's something to that, but nicotine is the main culprit. I think the main function of a nicotine replacement system should be to keep the user off tobacco for a period of months so any secondary dependencies fade. This way we end up dealing with nicotine alone as opposed to all those other chemicals.
As I said, nicotine gum was working, but my jaws were giving out. I was getting a better nicotine "rush" from 4mg gum, than I am from vapeing.
Vapeing get's the job done though. However, I would prefer to not vape so damn much. I wasn't popping gum in my mouth every 5 minutes. It would have made me sick.... but I can vape almost non-stop on this 24mg I'm vapeing right now.
As I said, nicotine gum was working, but my jaws were giving out. I was getting a better nicotine "rush" from 4mg gum, than I am from vapeing.
Vapeing get's the job done though. However, I would prefer to not vape so damn much. I wasn't popping gum in my mouth every 5 minutes. It would have made me sick.... but I can vape almost non-stop on this 24mg I'm vapeing right now.
Are we craving DEATH?? Muahahahahaha
lmao! Unfortunately, that is not something we have to crave, its inevitable.. rofl
8-o
I think the higher mg is an idea worthy of study. I feel however, that much above 60mg there are gonna be problems with vapor production and also chemical harshness that will be hard to overcome. One of the problems I have seen have been getting good vapor on the higher levels.
The higher levels do seem to produce less visible vape, but from the feel of it I think it is safe to say the vape is there, just not a visible cloud. But at the same time, I can get a funny over-use feeling at the end of a long day from vaping, which I appreciate because it helps keep me in balance. I don't remember that from analogs...? Just from feel alone I'd say 4 or 5 drops of 16mg feels about equal to an analog. 100mg would be a very harsh vape.
I think for me, it was the slightly dizzying effect of oxygen being rapidly displaced with carbon monoxide and other who knows what gases.
I don't know why it is I want to keep vaping all day. After a few hits of 18-24mg I certainly have plenty enough nic to last me.
So I put it down to this,...If I have a large chocolate bar in front of me, I'll pretty much eat most of it before I'm full to get my chocolate fix, but if I'm inhaling chocolate with my pv I never get full and can keep having flavorgasms whenever I want to
I don't know why it is I want to keep vaping all day. After a few hits of 18-24mg I certainly have plenty enough nic to last me.
So I put it down to this,...If I have a large chocolate bar in front of me, I'll pretty much eat most of it before I'm full to get my chocolate fix, but if I'm inhaling chocolate with my pv I never get full and can keep having flavorgasms whenever I want to
The amount of visible vapor is an important aspect to a lot of folks. However with the high mg juice, by the time you get enough PG or VG mixed in to make it give great vapor, alot of times you have killed the potency of the mix. When the situation requires it, you could combination drip- say 1 drop 48mg plus 2 drops of whatever the daily mix is.
I'm on the lines of a couple others , where as with any "addiction" , the user will always want more.
On another note, reading this thread makes me sick to my stomach. I must be insane, I keep coming back for more. eeek
On another note, reading this thread makes me sick to my stomach. I must be insane, I keep coming back for more. eeek
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