So when do we get 100/200/300 MG liquids? (since the absorbion rate is so low?)

[whistlrr]

[...] The way i have learned to "get what I need" from vaping, is to keep it wet, 1-2 second preheat, slow draw (mouth draw) listening for a "gurgle" to produce the right vapor, then inhaling and repeat until I have that feel that I want , then set it down.

That's especially interesting about the gurgling. I figured if I get gurgling that meant something wasn't working quite right (thinking the atomizer wasn't quite atomizing, thinking that you probably shouldn't be able to hear your vapor coming lol).

Otherwise where it comes to just plain vaping (no straight nose inhales or 'french inhale' tricks) I do very similarly otherwise to what you do, I think.

I have to add that I have never really understood about the whole 'throat hit' thing.. I seem to be oblivious to this even though I've been watching for it and the last two times I smoked an analog I was trying to see if there's 'throat hit' involved there -- still I have no clue.

I can get an irritated throat (like there's an annoyed lump or a start to a throat cold or something) if I go at either (analog or e-cig) hard enough, but that's obviously no good and not desired (and I think its just a sign of excess of PG usage in the case of an e-cig)


I am developing a possible theory that one additional reason the 'french inhale' might be working better for me is that you have to sit there with the vapor in your mouth a bit longer in order to slowly dispense it up and coordinate the slowly mouth exhaling/nose inhaling... which could also suggest maybe I need to hold the vape in my mouth longer (?)

I'm also generally incapable of 'dragon nostrils' -- Either way I either can't normally hold the vape in my mouth long enough to get mouth enjoyment (or my mouth is just not the best nicotine receiving place for me as discussed above)

or I'm possibly somehow not able to inhale and send it to my nose fast enough..(?)

I am obviously vaping lots of vape in (some of my e-cigs are really very good at this, among them I have a 510 and a penstyle 801 and I can make quite a plume of vape if I want to 'waste' it going at it like so many do on youtube videos, etc., just blowing it right back out) but seldom does any vape actually make it all the way around and back out my nose the way I really want/need it to (there's just nothing there, no vape comes back out my nose).

I had no problem sending the smoke of an analog all the way around my system and back out my nose, aka 'dragon nostrils' (that's exactly how I smoked for 30 years).

I just don't get it.
(Its certainly not for lack of desire or trying anyway)



PS, the *chemical unknown* (and/or special concentrates, whatever, the entire collective unknown mystery) is what I am referring to as store-bought (especially) pre-packaged cigarettes' (such as Marlboros') "secret sauce."

 

[DC2]

When your electronic cigarette is gurgling, you are sitting on the very edge of a flooded atomizer.

Any more juice and you'll be flooded and then you will get no vapor and the draw will get a little harder and your atomizer will not function until it is blown out.

When I am gurgling I just smoke through it, but I use a softer and slower draw until it stops gurgling, otherwise I run a significant risk of getting juice-in-the-mouth syndrome.

 

[Angelz]

My guess is that if they did make stronger liquid, shortly after someone's dog, or worse their child, would end up sick or dead after getting hold of a cart and e-cigs

Jesus God that's a scary - and sobering - thought

 

[CrazyTerrie11]

Jesus God that's a scary - and sobering - thought

there have been cases of children getting into thier parents analogs and eating them and getting deathly ill. Its about responsible parenting. Cleaning products kill kids all the time cause the parents dont lock the stuff up properly. same with guns...its about being responsible with dangerous or toxic items. You have to get a license to have a dog but anyone can have a kid. go figure!

 

[Jim Davis]

This is crazy;
The liquid that's available now is keeping folks off analogs. Why can't people be satisfied with that.

Forget about the more, more, more. If you really need more, you may have other issues that need addressing.

 

[olderthandirt]

This is crazy;
The liquid that's available now is keeping folks off analogs. Why can't people be satisfied with that.

Forget about the more, more, more. If you really need more, you may have other issues that need addressing.

Thanks Jim

 

[lowwkeyy]

started at 2.5 packs a day
18mgi had to change batteries every 30min to an hour constant non stock
36 mg battery life went up to an hour kept the focus on 36mg

after a few weeks all is well no ciggy craven

but just incase i picked up a bucket load of 70mg !

 

[Applejackson]

I've only read up to page 4 of this thread so far (where I found this great comment and had to respond)

Yes! You've got it

its not psychological -- the only way I can stop compulsively screwing with the e-cig (which is currently an 801 on a passthrough with 24mg JC Orignal I need to use up) and/or jamming enough nasal snuff up my nose that I could probably plant a garden in my nose is to stuff a swedish snus in my mouth.

and I'm really really surprised I don't see anyone else talking about the 'nose hit' aspect of E-cigs

I've never been able to consistantly or satisfactorily 'smoke' any of my E-cigs like I did cigarettes -- and thats ultimately sending the smoke/vape out my nose

I can sort of get half satisfaction from the e-cig if I 'french inhale' it (something that drove me nuts to try to do with analogs but absolutely have to do at a bare minimum if I want to get much of anything off these e-cigs at all) and truthfully?

Yes, sometimes I actually jam my e-cig right up to my nose and inhale directly into my nose from it (I've taken the tip of a vick's type nasal inhaler to hold over the mouthpiece especially of the penstyle inorder to do this) and to me that's the most cigarette-like effect

and I really believe that for most things the nasal mucous membranes are generally considered to be more receptive or better or whatever than your mouth (with perhaps the possible exception of the spot directly under your tongue)/

I've been tempted to start a thread asking for modder's advice/ideas on a way I can adapt my e-cigs so it only takes one hand to 'snort' my e-cig (since it still takes either both hands, one to hold my other nostril shut and the other to hold the e-cig or some major contorting if I want to swap nostrils)

call me crazy if you want (wouldn't be the first time in my life lol) but I've also considered advising asking others on here to maybe try the direct to the nose method

I know it doesn't make a lot of sense since we didn't snort our cigarettes but so help me its the nearest effect to having just taken an honest puff off a cigarette that I've found

Even with this I still need the snus as the real and steady source of nicotine. I really don't think I could be off the analogs if it weren't for the snus (with one in I still hit the snuff and e cig but its not so insanely so and is is the only time I can get enough to feel satisfied enough and leave the e-cig and nasal bullets resting on my desk for any breaks/any length of time).

Now I'll go on and read more of the thread.

You're chasing more than a cigarette rush. It's in your head. Go ahead and try an analog. It'll taste like crap, but you'll see that there really isn't all that much difference as far as "rush" goes. I can't notice a difference at all at this point (though I'm usually using higher voltage--might help), and I remember going through a period where I thought this too... until I smoked an analog. I was expecting a big rush that never happened. At all. It was just like a vaping a really disgusting liquid. What you're doing sounds like obsessive behavior. Trying an analog and seeing it isn't that different might help this. Also remember that the studies on absorption of one puff (NZ study) was probably done on 3.7v, so high voltage might give a completely different result. I find it's more comparable to a real cigarette feel.

At this point you're jamming 3 nicotine products in your face at the same time. Snus, snuff, and e-cigs (up the nose!). You're trying to get high. It's not gonna happen with nicotine. You'll just get sick after a while. E-cigs are meant to be enjoyed. I can't imagine it's enjoyable to snort them. What you seem to be looking for would require much different drugs.

 

[Scamz]

36mg juice barley keeps me sane.

to the extent where you can't spell barely correctly? wow are you sure you don't want a lower MG haha

 

[kcr]

This is crazy;
The liquid that's available now is keeping folks off analogs. Why can't people be satisfied with that.

Forget about the more, more, more. If you really need more, you may have other issues that need addressing.

No kidding! Every time this thread comes to the top it sounds like junkies talking

 

[olderthandirt]

No kidding! Every time this thread comes to the top it sounds like junkies talking

Speaking for myself only, I am a nicotine junky.

 

[exogenesis]

This is crazy;
The liquid that's available now is keeping folks off analogs. Why can't people be satisfied with that.

Forget about the more, more, more. If you really need more, you may have other issues that need addressing.

Oh come on,
this thread isn't actually about obtaining & using lethal strength juice.

It's a pointer to that fact that many people don't get satisfaction
from 'normal' (e.g. 36) strength juice, like they used to from real ciggies.

OK the majority may be able to get by with convincing themselves
it close enough, but in my experience there's something truly missing in
e-cigs vs ciggies.

Maybe it the CO maybe it's this MAOI theory, maybe it's the speed
of adsorption, possibly it's just low proportional adsorption.

Whatever the ineffiency/deficiency is, strong juices help,
and the useable cut-off certainly isn't 36 or 48.

There will be a future point where we look back on current mainstream juices
& say "kin' ell did I really put up with that rubbish, and pay for it".

 

[Angelz]

there have been cases of children getting into thier parents analogs and eating them and getting deathly ill. Its about responsible parenting. Cleaning products kill kids all the time cause the parents dont lock the stuff up properly. same with guns...its about being responsible with dangerous or toxic items. You have to get a license to have a dog but anyone can have a kid. go figure!

Well yeah, I know...but still...

 

[whistlrr]

You're chasing more than a cigarette rush. It's in your head.[...]What you seem to be looking for would require much different drugs.

just what are you trying to say here?!

are you suggesting I've got a problem?!?

Well now you've really gone and hurt my feelings.. damnit..

and I'm just gonna have to load up a sims game and make your effigy
and squash you over and over again just like itty bitty little bug!

 

[cmdrmaxwell]

We are all addicts/junkies in some shape form or fashion. If regular cigs didnt prove it to me then Ecigs sure did!!!!

 

[Angelz]

just what are you trying to say here?!

are you suggesting I've got a problem?!?

Well now you've really gone and hurt my feelings.. damnit..

and I'm just gonna have to load up a sims game and make your effigy
and squash you over and over again just like itty bitty little bug!

Der der der der der

 

[Badbeams3]

Didn`t I see on the Ruyan web site a diagram showing that the nic from a E-cig is absorbed in the area above the lungs...upper/lower throat...not in the lungs as regular cig smoke is. If I remember right they also explained that because of this it took something like 10~15 minutes for the effect of the nic to be felt....but with a cig the nic effect, coming from the lungs, was much faster...almost instant. Pretty sure I saw that on thier site.

 

[whistlrr]

Der der der der der

Can you put that to music please?

 

[cluster]

Didn`t I see on the Ruyan web site a diagram showing that the nic from a E-cig is absorbed in the area above the lungs...upper/lower throat...not in the lungs as regular cig smoke is. If I remember right they also explained that because of this it took something like 10~15 minutes for the effect of the nic to be felt....but with a cig the nic effect, coming from the lungs, was much faster...almost instant. Pretty sure I saw that on thier site.

I didn't see that diagram but it is probably from their study in New Zealand that i read a few times, however imperfect it is.

They do note that it seems that nicotine in vaporized mist is partially absorbed in the upper airways and has a peak effect after 20 minutes. But they also note that holding the mist in the lungs for a longer moment before breathing out can increase satisfaction.

There is also leftover nicotine in the breathed out mist, and there is no reason for which nicotine wouldn't be absorbed in the lungs as well as in the upper airways.

Some people don't remark the nicotine effect -- as exemplified by this thread-- but i'm sensible to it (is use 18mg/ml and in my first days using a PV i felt the nicotine high more than i ever did with cigarettes) and i definitely can identify a rapid nicotine effect after vaping.

 

[CrazyTerrie11]

Well yeah, I know...but still...

I know what you were saying....I just had to sprout off my thoughts on that one. When you really analyze this whole FDA argument..its baseless on thier part. Its based on BS and we all know it.