So why is it?.....

[Bernard Marx]

(Sure.)

Having smoked for many years I know how little the 'public' cares for accommodating my addiction. Most of them would rather I just died, preferably from a smoking related disease.

I loved it when we were the majority (smokers). Alas, no more.

 

[jseah]

Whoa there...still sorta self employed.
I allow myself to vape while working. You stay home if ya want, my protest would only affect my wallet.


I'm courteous when I vape, or work , or live life in general.

I telecommute, so I do get to vape at work.......from my home office.

 

[Bad Ninja]

I am positive it would have a huge effect. 10 million peeps don't show up for work, GDP takes a hit, it is all about the money.
The reality is few have balls anymore.

My impression is that we are unpleasant to be around.

Stinky, stinky vapers ― yuck!

Calling me "stinky" would make me unpleasant to be around...and we would find out who has balls.

 

[Woofer]

I dunno if they have balls or not.. but I betcha they do have BILLs... and the need to pay them. If my husband doesn't work 40 hrs a week on the clock, he doesn't get time-and-a-half for the 7.5 hrs of OT he gets weekly, and that really hurts.

Andria

I realize that many are between a rock and a hard place, that is why I said 10 million, less than half the US vapers according to what I read.
Many here have far more than a days pay in redundant vape gear, it is about priorities and intent.
I believe it will hurt either way.

 

[Bad Ninja]

If you could get 100 vapers in your county to lay out of work In protest, I would propose you all show up at the mayors office and explain that you will all work together to make sure he doesn't get re elected unless he stops promoting anti vaping policies.
You are the people. His job is to represent your decisions.

I guarantee if you organize they will listen.
The mayor cares more about getting re elected than about vaping or ANTZ.

 

[juggler86]

I can link videos of people fogging out the room with a dripper on an ego

Off topic but I saw a video of a guy running a RDA with a .5 coil on what looked like an ego 1100mah and he was blowing some clouds. He had a warning in the begining and another 1 at the end warning people to not do it.


On topic. Vaping in general irritates thats why I dont goto meets or hang out in shops besides 1. If it is just me and the owner/employees at my 1 local shop I will sit around and talk for a bit, but thats it. The other local shop I go in and out of and thats usually only for a free bottle of juice or deals on juice. The ppeople in the shop arent my kind of people, id probably get along with them cuz I love blowing clouds mech mods and building coils and they obviously do to, but ive seen the employee ignore newbs and seen His friends laugh at people.

 

[Bernard Marx]

A good advertisement for Big Tobacco and standardization. Thanks.

 

[ElevenEleven]

Anyone have any calamari flavored juice?

I'd vape it.

 

[Rizzyking]

Don't mistake wanting people to be reserved until vaping is on a settled legislative platform with hating any vaping activity because that's stupid. For me until we get things sorted out we do not need to be pushing the activities of a tiny minority as the community in general like it or not what restrictions get placed on vaping will ultimately be what the wider general public feel is appropriate. Once vaping is on firm legal footing blow all the clouds you want even where you want and let the public decide if they will tolerate it. Right now we are in a fight to try and ensure a future for vaping and for people in the future to have it as a viable alternative to smoking as the former smoker vaper is by far the largest group and we need that to be recognised. That reality is the one we need to start highlighting and promoting and that's the image the antz really fear because most people know someone who smokes or did and the damage it does. Show vapers not as cloud blowing fog machines but as the next door person trying their best to make a better changecand it will resonate, arguing vaping technicalities is a complete turn off for most people and puts the image of vaping back into the youthful cloud blowing one that the antz love.

A little restraint is not asking much and really isn't that hard most of us already do it day in and day out and if a little restraint now means vaping has a future other then the pathetic cigalikes of BT can anyone honestly say its too high a price. We have no shortage of passion for our cause but we sometimes channel it badly and not in the most effective way.

 

[ElevenEleven]

Eeeeewwwwwwwwww

Calamari,



Quit eatin the bait man

What's it to you what I like?

In regards to OP, it'd be great if people were more helpful than condescending in this forum.

 

[alicewonderland]

Don't mistake wanting people to be reserved until vaping is on a settled legislative platform with hating any vaping activity because that's stupid. For me until we get things sorted out we do not need to be pushing the activities of a tiny minority as the community in general like it or not what restrictions get placed on vaping will ultimately be what the wider general public feel is appropriate. Once vaping is on firm legal footing blow all the clouds you want even where you want and let the public decide if they will tolerate it. Right now we are in a fight to try and ensure a future for vaping and for people in the future to have it as a viable alternative to smoking as the former smoker vaper is by far the largest group and we need that to be recognised. That reality is the one we need to start highlighting and promoting and that's the image the antz really fear because most people know someone who smokes or did and the damage it does. Show vapers not as cloud blowing fog machines but as the next door person trying their best to make a better changecand it will resonate, arguing vaping technicalities is a complete turn off for most people and puts the image of vaping back into the youthful cloud blowing one that the antz love.

A little restraint is not asking much and really isn't that hard most of us already do it day in and day out and if a little restraint now means vaping has a future other then the pathetic cigalikes of BT can anyone honestly say its too high a price. We have no shortage of passion for our cause but we sometimes channel it badly and not in the most effective way.

very well said.

 

[AndriaD]

Don't mistake wanting people to be reserved until vaping is on a settled legislative platform with hating any vaping activity because that's stupid. For me until we get things sorted out we do not need to be pushing the activities of a tiny minority as the community in general like it or not what restrictions get placed on vaping will ultimately be what the wider general public feel is appropriate. Once vaping is on firm legal footing blow all the clouds you want even where you want and let the public decide if they will tolerate it. Right now we are in a fight to try and ensure a future for vaping and for people in the future to have it as a viable alternative to smoking as the former smoker vaper is by far the largest group and we need that to be recognised. That reality is the one we need to start highlighting and promoting and that's the image the antz really fear because most people know someone who smokes or did and the damage it does. Show vapers not as cloud blowing fog machines but as the next door person trying their best to make a better changecand it will resonate, arguing vaping technicalities is a complete turn off for most people and puts the image of vaping back into the youthful cloud blowing one that the antz love.

A little restraint is not asking much and really isn't that hard most of us already do it day in and day out and if a little restraint now means vaping has a future other then the pathetic cigalikes of BT can anyone honestly say its too high a price. We have no shortage of passion for our cause but we sometimes channel it badly and not in the most effective way.

I guarantee, no one but maybe that glANTZ fool would be offended by my 84% PG at 10w... it's sort of a "mini-cloud" that smells vaguely like fruit. Sometimes when I walk back in the room that I've been vaping in, it almost smells like strawberry incense, but BEFORE you light it, none of that burnt smell, just the strawberryish smell. Sometimes reminds me of a shampoo I used in the 70s. (could be the combo of strawberry+PG+steam that I'm getting that memory from!)

Andria

 

[Tactix]

Started with cigarettes, then had a ce4 kit for over 2 years, many replacements during that time, but I had finally decided enough was enough, got a kayfun lite and although I liked it for what it was and knowing that it was MY coil running the system made me feel good, but it wasn't enough for me. One thing that always satisfied my smoking was the smoke, for whatever reason if I couldn't blow out a decent smoke plume, I almost felt like the cigarette was a waste. No reason to think like that either, I just did. Mind you, this was WAY back before vaping even became a thing. I now use RDA's with my istick 50w and my coils are always between .4 and .8 builds, and provide me more than enough satisfaction for MY needs. Why that hate towards cloud chasing? I can understand that the kids getting into cloud chasing that have no idea what the hell they're even getting into, should be shamed and looked down upon, but WHY hate the REAL cloud chasers like myself? I don't get it....

It satisfies me, and I don't have a problem with you using whatever you need for yourself... Hell my friends mom never smoked before, has an atlantis with an istick 30w, she could easily be blowing clouds all day with her 0mg juice, but she usually takes quick puffs that look like my stream when i blow through my RDA before sucking the vapor in. Don't hate us all, hate the kids giving US a bad name. Real cloud chasing is an art, simply because it COULD be dangerous if you have no idea what you're doing, but perfecting this skill is a challenge that myself and many others have made an everyday simple task, and it's not often you can say that about many things.

EDIT: Because someone is BOUND to refer to my signature... The date and times in my signature were from when I got my real vaping in gear, the 2 years I had my ego kit and disposable ce4 tanks, I was a dual user with cigarettes and my ecig to cut down, the date in my signature refers to the date I actually started vaping 100% of the time.

 

[alicewonderland]

Started with cigarettes, then had a ce4 kit for over 2 years, many replacements during that time, but I had finally decided enough was enough, got a kayfun lite and although I liked it for what it was and knowing that it was MY coil running the system made me feel good, but it wasn't enough for me. One thing that always satisfied my smoking was the smoke, for whatever reason if I couldn't blow out a decent smoke plume, I almost felt like the cigarette was a waste. No reason to think like that either, I just did. Mind you, this was WAY back before vaping even became a thing. I now use RDA's with my istick 50w and my coils are always between .4 and .8 builds, and provide me more than enough satisfaction for MY needs. Why that hate towards cloud chasing? I can understand that the kids getting into cloud chasing that have no idea what the hell they're even getting into, should be shamed and looked down upon, but WHY hate the REAL cloud chasers like myself? I don't get it....

It satisfies me, and I don't have a problem with you using whatever you need for yourself... Hell my friends mom never smoked before, has an atlantis with an istick 30w, she could easily be blowing clouds all day with her 0mg juice, but she usually takes quick puffs that look like my stream when i blow through my RDA before sucking the vapor in. Don't hate us all, hate the kids giving US a bad name. Real cloud chasing is an art, simply because it COULD be dangerous if you have no idea what you're doing, but perfecting this skill is a challenge that myself and many others have made an everyday simple task, and it's not often you can say that about many things.

EDIT: Because someone is BOUND to refer to my signature... The date and times in my signature were from when I got my real vaping in gear, the 2 years I had my ego kit and disposable ce4 tanks, I was a dual user with cigarettes and my ecig to cut down, the date in my signature refers to the date I actually started vaping 100% of the time.

I haven't seen any cloud chasing hate in this thread. Where did you read that? I honestly don't get why people keep thinking just because it is a discussion of a close subject, that they automatically think it is a thread of just bashing people and talking down on cloud chasers

 

[Signmaker]

People who cloud because it's what they like = m'okay

People who cloud without technical knowledge, who use poor vape etiquette in social situations, or who are overly boisterous and reckless with their vaping = burn the witch!

From what I see, it's not an elitist thing, or an age thing, or a "my way is the right way" thing. It's genuine concern over people playing with pipe bombs in public, giving the ANTZ poster children for their public opinion campaigns.

 

[Maiar]

"Hey guys, I've never driven a car before, but I saw some great youtube videos and purchased a 2000 horse power Formula One car and I was wondering if you thought this was safe? I also crashed it right away and now I'm ...... off at every other car owner." - 50% of new posts just read like that to me.

 

[Spencer87]

Guys, try to keep this on topic.

 

[Asbestos4004]

I don't buy into the belief that its the volume of anyone's vapor output that's drawing unwanted attention to us. Nor do I see cloud chasers on the news pieces....mostly I see people using cigalikes or ego style pens. Maybe the rare vape shop footage....but mostly people in bars or sidewalk cafes with low volume set ups make the news where I am.
I think its the sheer number of vapers that's bringing about all of the proposed taxes and bans. Vaping stuck and I don't think anyone expected it to. We're cutting into bt's profits pretty hard.....not to mention bp. Its all about money.
Its most funny how much credit we give members of our own community for the demise of vaping simply because some vape different than others. Calling a group of people bozos because they prefer subohm vaping or because they never smoked. The opinionated snobs in this community are more offensive than the antz.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

May be it's a regional thing, most times when the news shows vapers they usually are using advanced equipment & blowing huge cloudz. Ive never seen anyone using an ego or cigalike on the news or in a blurb about vaping.
They also seem to choose a certain look of the vapers they show. I don't judge a book by the cover but many do and have since man walked the earth.

IMO, to the uninformed public (non vapers) this media created stereotype is what they think of every time they hear the words e cigarette, vapor, vape, vapers.

The most common comment I get when I talk about vaping or someone sees me vaping is "you don't look like someone that would use one of those things".
I respond by saying, thank you but folks that vape come from all walks of life, grand mothers & fathers, moms & dads, bankers lawyers, LEO's & CEO's, farmers & ranchers, mechanics, plumbers, electricians,, I give a few more examples until they get the point or stop listening, most stop listening right after I say thank you.
The stereotype is fixed in their noggin.

IMO, what some folks are saying is a lot of us don't like or fit the false media driven public face / image of vaping.
I agree, somehow we need to change the image of vaping, not to something more socially acceptable but to an image that represents reality.

 

[Rossum]

I agree, somehow we need to change the image of vaping, not to something more socially acceptable but to an image that represents reality.

Why not? It doesn't stink. It presents no hazard to bystanders, why shouldn't it be socially acceptable?