So why is it?.....

[Topwater Elvis]

Why not? It doesn't stink. It presents no hazard to bystanders, why shouldn't it be socially acceptable?

I wrote it wrong or you took it wrong, try to change the image of vaping to something that represents reality, not just conform to what is socially acceptable for the sake of being socially accepted.

I completely disagree, just because it tastes good doesn't mean it smells good to everyone or anyone else when exhaled.
Your strawberry creamsickle ( or whatever) may taste wonderful to you and smell great to a few others, but to me it has a horrid stomach turning odor.

IMO, one of the biggest vaping myths there is. ' My vapor doesn't have an offensive odor, it smells good' .

 

[AndriaD]

"Hey guys, I've never driven a car before, but I saw some great youtube videos and purchased a 2000 horse power Formula One car and I was wondering if you thought this was safe? I also crashed it right away and now I'm ...... off at every other car owner." - 50% of new posts just read like that to me.

I agree 100%! And to further your analogy, these folks who see this 2000hp car and decide they want one, some of them don't even need to go anywhere... they just think it's "cool" -- THOSE are the ones that drive me bananas -- and no, I DON'T think someone needs to first be a smoker in order to join our "club" -- but anyone with a legitimate NEED for vaping, for whatever kind of harm reduction they're after, automatically gets a lot more help and forbearance than those who show up here wanting to know how to "blow some monster cloudz bro".

I also find it extremely annoying when someone shows up who smoked less than 5 yrs and starts informing all of us how "easy" it is to quit smoking cold turkey -- huh, I guess that's why e-cigs are so popular with those who want to quit smoking, and why we're so furious at those who want to take them from us, because all the other ways are so easy... NOT.

Andria

 

[jseah]

I agree 100%! And to further your analogy, these folks who see this 2000hp car and decide they want one, some of them don't even need to go anywhere... they just think it's "cool" -- THOSE are the ones that drive me bananas -- and no, I DON'T think someone needs to first be a smoker in order to join our "club" -- but anyone with a legitimate NEED for vaping, for whatever kind of harm reduction they're after, automatically gets a lot more help and forbearance than those who show up here wanting to know how to "blow some monster cloudz bro".

This reminds me of the mid 90's, just when cell phones started getting smaller (we're talking the Moto DP550's) and cheaper. I remember seeing people walking around holding their phones up to their ears. They weren't making a call, but treating it as a status symbol and holding it up so that it was visible and other people could see that they owned a cell phone.

 

[Rizzyking]

These internal arguments are a waste of time and effort because vaping has a lot of precious people who cannot stand anyone that doesn't do it their way and anything that isn't glowing support is an attack. The future of vaping rests more with those who don't smoke or vape and the impression they have and right now their impression of vaping is obnoxious youngsters blowing clouds wherever and whenever they want and it is destroying public perception of vaping even though that perception is totally wrong. I engage with many and over the years have changed some views we need to work harder to get vaping seen for what it is a harm reduction tobacco cessation aid primarily but not exclusively but focus on the angle of "people trying to do something good for themselves and others by quitting tobacco".

 

[stevegmu]

I have the feeling a lot of vapers and especially non vapers see cloud chasing in public akin to beater Honda Civics, lowered, with Walmart subs- which do nothing but cause rattle, primer color body effects, street glow and massive exhausts, which nearly drag on the ground and sound like a lawnmower misfiring...

 

[Woofer]

The first step in any battle for public opinion is to marginalize your "enemy", be they commies, hippies, bikers, environmentalist, whiskey drinkers or whatever.
Best is to make them look ridiculous and at the same time threatening.
What does not exist can and will be fabricated as required.

 

[tj99959]

"Hey guys, I've never driven a car before, but I saw some great youtube videos and purchased a 2000 horse power Formula One car and I was wondering if you thought this was safe? I also crashed it right away and now I'm ...... off at every other car owner." - 50% of new posts just read like that to me.

Then the common response is "you need to build this engine for it", completely missing the part about already crashing it.

But it's way fun

 

[Oberon75]

I have the feeling a lot of vapers and especially non vapers see cloud chasing in public akin to beater Honda Civics, lowered, with Walmart subs- which do nothing but cause rattle, primer color body effects, street glow and massive exhausts, which nearly drag on the ground and sound like a lawnmower misfiring...

Because we all know the only way to vape with a Provari. If you don't have a Provari or something similar, you aren't a real vapor.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[alicewonderland]

Because we all know the only way to vape with a Provari. If you don't have a Provari or something similar, you aren't a real vapor.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

dont worry about steve, hes like the cranky old grandpa of ecf.

 

[Rossum]

I completely disagree, just because it tastes good doesn't mean it smells good to everyone or anyone else when exhaled.
Your strawberry creamsickle ( or whatever) may taste wonderful to you and smell great to a few others, but to me it has a horrid stomach turning odor.

I can overcome that objection instantly by vaping unflavored.

Oh, and let me know when it becomes socially unacceptable for women (and even some men) to wear fragrances in public.

 

[Oberon75]

These internal arguments are a waste of time and effort because vaping has a lot of precious people who cannot stand anyone that doesn't do it their way and anything that isn't glowing support is an attack. The future of vaping rests more with those who don't smoke or vape and the impression they have and right now their impression of vaping is obnoxious youngsters blowing clouds wherever and whenever they want and it is destroying public perception of vaping even though that perception is totally wrong. I engage with many and over the years have changed some views we need to work harder to get vaping seen for what it is a harm reduction tobacco cessation aid primarily but not exclusively but focus on the angle of "people trying to do something good for themselves and others by quitting tobacco".

That's really not the impression I've seen. I know people of all ages who blow clouds and my circle of friends are all in their 30's and 40's. In my local Facebook group, some are even in theiir 60's. And as I've said earlier, cloud chasing is not the argument I've really seen anywhere outside of this message board. All I really see is a few veteran vapors who found their sweet spot before this equipment was available and just don't like it.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[Oberon75]

I can overcome that objection instantly by vaping unflavored.

Oh, and let me know when it becomes socially unacceptable for women (and even some men) to wear fragrances in public.

I've mentioned fragrances many times and some of them smell absolutely disgusting.

And let's not forget about scented candles. Studies have even found these to put more toxins in the air then cigarettes. People have no problem burning these in places of business.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[Topwater Elvis]

I can overcome that objection instantly by vaping unflavored.

Oh, and let me know when it becomes socially unacceptable for women (and even some men) to wear fragrances in public.

This thread isn't about you or unflavored.
Obviously all you want to do is focus on tangential minutiae in an attempt to start an argument with someone,
I'm not your guy.
One of the loudest least informed mouths in this thread keeps trolling with the " provari " bait. Try him.

I don't care if a person prefers 6 watts or 160 watts, or 3.Ω or .2 Ω or how big their clouds are or what equipment they use.

IMO, the public's perception of vaping at this time does make a difference, we need all the allies we can get including non smokers & non vapers.
Alienating possible allies due to a negative public perception caused by the actions of a few just doesn't seem like a good idea when vaping is faced with possible regulation and it at least appears that those in power are basing their regulations on public fear & perception instead of facts.

As soon as the analogies begin rational discussion ends.

 

[Rizzyking]

This thread demonstrates perfectly why vaping is likely doomed people only interested in their particular flavour of vaping and damn the rest good luck with that. Oberon stop seeing attacks where there are none no one I've seen has attacked cloud chasing but suggested that it is A, not the best image for vaping in general and B, to do it courteously and in more appropriate places both things are not attacks and some such as myself only want that temporarily your looking for a fight where there isn't one. As for the analogies quote as many as you like there isn't a debate or pending legislation on them so the relevance is absolutely zero it's vaping most of us care about, not individual ways of vaping but the whole general community who want to continue the good work they have started and for all those who might want the opportunity in the future.

 

[Oberon75]

This thread isn't about you or unflavored.
Obviously all you want to do is focus on tangential minutiae in an attempt to start an argument with someone,
I'm not your guy.
One of the loudest least informed mouths in this thread keeps trolling with the " provari " bait. Try him.

I don't care if a person prefers 6 watts or 160 watts, or 3.Ω or .2 Ω or how big their clouds are or what equipment they use.

IMO, the public's perception of vaping at this time does make a difference, we need all the allies we can get including non smokers & non vapers.
Alienating possible allies due to a negative public perception caused by the actions of a few just doesn't seem like a good idea when vaping is faced with possible regulation and it at least appears that those in power are basing their regulations on public fear & perception instead of facts.

As soon as the analogies begin rational discussion ends.

If it's about public perception, we need to get these devices out of the hands of kids. And having a son ready to start high school next fall, I know exactly what the kids are vaping which is not a high wattage device because none of the B&M's will allow anybody in their shop under the age of 18.

So what are these kids vaping on that's causing all this negative attention? Cigalikes and eGo setups that the gas stations and convenience stores are selling them. Nobody here would ever speak bad about an eGo though even if that's our problem.

I'm not going to refrain from using my DNA 40 or IPV2S in public. Because if I'm supposed to do that, I'm buying cigarettes which fuels the ANTZ argument that vaping doesn't make you stop smoking.

Sent from my HTC One M8 Harman/Kardon edition

 

[gpjoe]

So why is it that when someone posts a question in the new members or general vaping topics concerning any issue and they happen to mention that they are vaping at high wattages > ~75w the responses that they get are often times condescending and/or belittling of their choice to vape at such high wattages followed by recommendations that they don't do it instead of just addressing their question?
I understand about safety first but one of the things that I find fantastic about vaping is that we can find what works for us individually. We aren't pigeon holed into menthol or regular; filtered or non; lights or full flavored.
Why chastise someone for eating a well done steak just because you prefer medium rare?
jmho

/rant

sent from tapacrap

I don't know. It's silly, right?

I admit to having some "fun" recently with a relatively new member repeatedly calling anyone that doesn't vape at high wattage or .01 ohms as a n00b, but other than that I really could not care less how someone else gets their vape on. As long as folks are respectful, I will try and reciprocate.

 

[Tactix]

I don't know. It's silly, right?

I admit to having some "fun" recently with a relatively new member repeatedly calling anyone that doesn't vape at high wattage or .01 ohms as a n00b, but other than that I really could not care less how someone else gets their vape on. As long as folks are respectful, I will try and reciprocate.

That is pretty funny. So by his definition even I am a noob lol. People have their own preference, especially on the subject of vaping, with so many different builds and gear to be used. How silly of him to say such a thing. If someone is fine vaping at 20 watts or less with a 1.4 ohm coil and they use it religiously to avoid smoking, more power to them, but that doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, quite the contrary. I bet we will hear about this new member venting or completely exploding a battery in the near future. My guess is that he will short out and it'll be all downhill from there. Similar to that guy who was on a youtube video using a ridiculous build and using a towel to vape because the mod was getting hot enough to burn his skin, and then vents the battery and throws the still venting battery in a plastic trash bin *facepalm* lol

 

[DC2]

The most common comment I get when I talk about vaping or someone sees me vaping is "you don't look like someone that would use one of those things".

I used to get comments all the time about how I didn't look like someone who would smoke.
I would probably get those same comments if I was vaping in public.

But since it's not allowed to vape (where smoking is not allowed) just about anywhere near where I live, I rarely vape in public now.
Well, unless of course it is outdoors, and then I do vape (respectfully) in public regardless of the laws.

And those laws have already passed in nearly all of the localities that surround me.

I do hope someday I have an opportunity to vape en masse in public though.
But only if it is an effort to draw attention to the cause of those trying to save their lives.

Freedom to vape at will, anywhere, in any way we please?
That's likely never going to fly.

But even if someday that dog does hunt, it sure won't start by people being jerks.

I used to be a pretty staunch advocate of vaping where smoking is not allowed.
But the shifting demographics of vaping has caused me to pull back a bit on that position.

We seem to have attracted some jerks in the process of the growth of vaping.

I agree, somehow we need to change the image of vaping, not to something more socially acceptable but to an image that represents reality.

A few years ago the image presented by the media was closer to reality.
But every day the image that is presented gets further and further away from the reality.

I'll leave it to the reader to figure out why that is.

 

[DC2]

Why not? It doesn't stink. It presents no hazard to bystanders, why shouldn't it be socially acceptable?

It should be, and over time hopefully it will.
But we are SO far away from getting to that point that it's counterproductive to pursue that course of action.

We have to get it accepted first, then BIG CLOUDZ might some day be accepted in public.
Actually, no, they never will be.

Anybody blowing a BIG CLOUDZ in public is a jerk.
And nobody likes jerks.

 

[AndriaD]

That is pretty funny. So by his definition even I am a noob lol. People have their own preference, especially on the subject of vaping, with so many different builds and gear to be used. How silly of him to say such a thing. If someone is fine vaping at 20 watts or less with a 1.4 ohm coil and they use it religiously to avoid smoking, more power to them, but that doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, quite the contrary. I bet we will hear about this new member venting or completely exploding a battery in the near future. My guess is that he will short out and it'll be all downhill from there. Similar to that guy who was on a youtube video using a ridiculous build and using a towel to vape because the mod was getting hot enough to burn his skin, and then vents the battery and throws the still venting battery in a plastic trash bin *facepalm* lol

There are more of us low wattage/high resistance vapers than one might think from all the stuff that's hit the market lately. Heck, some of us even still like cartos! I can't use 'em with my high-gunk current ADV, but for any juice that doesn't gunk, or that I know I'm only gonna vape for a short time, a carto is as good a choice as any other. Personally I prefer Kayfuns -- with a 1.4Ω coil at 10w -- but still get use from the cartos and my cartotank.

A lot of my music is digital these days, but we've also still got a hellacious record collection.

Andria