So why is it?.....

[englishmick]

It should be, and over time hopefully it will.
But we are SO far away from getting to that point that it's counterproductive to pursue that course of action.

We have to get it accepted first, then BIG CLOUDZ might some day be accepted in public.
Actually, no, they never will be.

Anybody blowing a BIG CLOUDZ in public is a jerk.
And nobody likes jerks.

Yeah. Lots of people like to let off fireworks on Jul 4. A few people like to detonate military grade bangers that can rattle windows and eardrums at 300 yards. Then ordinances get passed banning fireworks.

Must admit I've not seen many actual jerk style public vaping incidents. I could count them on the fingers of one hand. A few weeks ago I saw a guy vaping in a large electronics store, only time I've seen that in a store. Saw his vapor rising up over the displays before I saw him. He was doing it openly with no attempt to hide. It wasn't particularly big clouds but rather obvious in a place like that. I don't know if he got pulled up by staff after I had moved on, but I did see the looks other customers were giving him. That just sets people up to buy into the next politician who tells them vaping is bad and must be banned.

 

[Oberon75]

Yeah. Lots of people like to let off fireworks on Jul 4. A few people like to detonate military grade bangers that can rattle windows and eardrums at 300 yards. Then ordinances get passed banning fireworks.

Must admit I've not seen many actual jerk style public vaping incidents. I could count them on the fingers of one hand. A few weeks ago I saw a guy vaping in a large electronics store, only time I've seen that in a store. Saw his vapor rising up over the displays before I saw him. He was doing it openly with no attempt to hide. It wasn't particularly big clouds but rather obvious in a place like that. I don't know if he got pulled up by staff after I had moved on, but I did see the looks other customers were giving him. That just sets people up to buy into the next politician who tells them vaping is bad and must be banned.

And I've never seen it ever meaning I don't think it's really the problem people are making it out to be. The only place I've ever seen anybody even vape indoors is at a bar or casino which I think is perfectly acceptable as do the business owners. The only place I see younger people blowing giant clouds is in the vape lounges and think people really need to leave them alone.

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[Rizzyking]

Oberon why would any of us be saying it's a problem if it isn't do you think we're lying?, exactly why would we have a concern if it wasnt warranted do you think we have some anti vape agenda?. Great for you if your not seeing it but your one person in one area maybe your fortunate and it isn't happening where you are or maybe your just not accepting it because it doesn't support your position. Whatever it might be you like me are irrelevant in this as its the wider public we need to be winning over and showing a far more realistic view of the vaping community as a whole not sure why anyone would oppose that.

P.s you might want to search as well Oberon ego's have come in for plenty of crticism in the past .

 

[alicewonderland]

i dont know, i just think this has turned into some people trying to defend themselves against people who arent even attacking. I just pictured a person juking and dodging and swatting flies that dont exist what is that person doing

 

[gpjoe]

That is pretty funny. So by his definition even I am a noob lol. People have their own preference, especially on the subject of vaping, with so many different builds and gear to be used. How silly of him to say such a thing. If someone is fine vaping at 20 watts or less with a 1.4 ohm coil and they use it religiously to avoid smoking, more power to them, but that doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing, quite the contrary. I bet we will hear about this new member venting or completely exploding a battery in the near future. My guess is that he will short out and it'll be all downhill from there. Similar to that guy who was on a youtube video using a ridiculous build and using a towel to vape because the mod was getting hot enough to burn his skin, and then vents the battery and throws the still venting battery in a plastic trash bin *facepalm* lol

He sort of changed his tune once a few established members "spanked" him. I thought it was very entertaining.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...64078-got-my-subtank-today-so-far-6-10-a.html

 

[Oberon75]

Oberon why would any of us be saying it's a problem if it isn't do you think we're lying?, exactly why would we have a concern if it wasnt warranted do you think we have some anti vape agenda?. Great for you if your not seeing it but your one person in one area maybe your fortunate and it isn't happening where you are or maybe your just not accepting it because it doesn't support your position. Whatever it might be you like me are irrelevant in this as its the wider public we need to be winning over and showing a far more realistic view of the vaping community as a whole not sure why anyone would oppose that.

P.s you might want to search as well Oberon ego's have come in for plenty of crticism in the past .

Here's the thing though. I belong to a great many vape communities and ECF is the only place where this topic is ever up for debate. I've even brought this topic up to my other main group and they aren't really seeing it as an issue either. And some of those people are pretty strong advocates who are doing a lot of the footwork here in Michigan at the city halls, county buildings and at the state capital. This really seems to be primarily an ECF opinion.

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[DC2]

This really seems to be primarily an ECF opinion.

It could have something to do with the length of time this forum has been around.

And the number of people that have been kicked off this forum.
And where those people go when they get kicked off.

But I will admit to being familiar with only one such online vaping community.
The rest of the online communities I can't speak to.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

And I've never seen it ever meaning I don't think it's really the problem people are making it out to be. The only place I've ever seen anybody even vape indoors is at a bar or casino which I think is perfectly acceptable as do the business owners. The only place I see younger people blowing giant clouds is in the vape lounges and think people really need to leave them alone.

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[Thrasher]

I now use RDA's with my istick 50w and my coils are always between .4 and .8 builds, and provide me more than enough satisfaction for MY needs. Why that hate towards cloud chasing?

Amusingly this line shows how the perception has been blurred, and definitions lost.
You may blow nice clouds but this is just a sub ohmer setup.

The real cloud chasers are the ones who think .4 is way too high.

Why do people hate them ?
Hmmmm let's start with what real benefit is obtained from going any lower beyond showing off, if even to your self?

The argument of better flavor and more nic isn't valid. Why then do people choose VG which is known for clouds not flavor then comes but the nic I really need, huh? Then why are you wasting money buying VG with only 3-6 mg? I'm sure the vape shop will be happy to keep selling you the cheapest ingredients in e liqiud.


What real incentive is there for them to admit its not needed. And to a normal vapor who knows how stuff works these arguments just make people sound so fake, if you want flavor and nicotine, why are you buying cloud based juices? Saying your not getting any from pg because the cloud " looks" smaller is laughable at best.


Then there's the other issue.
"Dude check out my .16 ohm build" my mod gets so hot I can't even hold it!


In all the years of vaping battery venting and exploding mods was extremely rare, since the cloud chasers moved in we have people who report or post about multiple battery ventings like its an everyday thing. What's the big deal and mods exploding shouldn't be happening.

Personally I don't appreciate being run out of a shop cause I mentioned my rig is subohm. Whether the employee is informed or not I now blame YOU for making ME look like an Ill informed unskilled rebuilder.who likes taking risks.


See how that works? Others take stupid risks that actually have led to problems, making other who don't look bad then they decide to turn on that group? Or does that make too much sense for people to grasp?

 

[Oberon75]

i dont know, i just think this has turned into some people trying to defend themselves against people who arent even attacking. I just pictured a person juking and dodging and swatting flies that dont exist [emoji23] what is that person doing

The thing is, you have a lot of members here who do talk down on it with their little references, mocking it. I'm almost 40 years old and I don't really consider the only thing that keeps me from smoking as "BIG CLOUDZ".

And it's not even just this thread I'm talking about. Take a peak into that 150w Sigelei thread and you will find somebody who just had to leave their two cents about how sub-ohms are stupid. As they do in any thread that consists of a device that fires above 20 watts. Trashing any product seems to be fair game just as long as it's not towards an ECF supplier. Then the thread gets locked.

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[DC2]

The thing is, you have a lot of members here who do talk down on it with their little references, mocking it. I'm almost 40 years old and I don't really consider the only thing that keeps me from smoking as "BIG CLOUDZ".

My use of term BIG CLOUDZ is meant to refer to jerks who vape with zero concern for anyone else.
It is not meant to refer to anyone just because they like to chase clouds.

Maybe instead of BIG CLOUDZ I should just say BIG JERKS.
It wouldn't get the point across as well, but it would help avoid any confusion.


As has been noted here in this thread, a vaper can be a BIG JERK with an Ego too.

 

[Robino1]

Actually, we let threads go for as long as they stay civil and do not attack each other. No, we do not let threads live that trash suppliers. That is in very bad taste don't you think? They are not able to defend themselves out in the forum. They can only sit helplessly without being able to defend themselves.

You can take your complaint to the suppliers thread or even start a thread in negative reviews. They can respond in those areas.

 

[NancyR]

Here's the thing though. I belong to a great many vape communities and ECF is the only place where this topic is ever up for debate. I've even brought this topic up to my other main group and they aren't really seeing it as an issue either. And some of those people are pretty strong advocates who are doing a lot of the footwork here in Michigan at the city halls, county buildings and at the state capital. This really seems to be primarily an ECF opinion.

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I don't know what vape communities you are part of, but I can tell you this comes up all the time in the ones I am involved with.

 

[Oberon75]

My use of term BIG CLOUDZ is meant to refer to jerks who vape with zero concern for anyone else.
It is not meant to refer to anyone just because they like to chase clouds.

Maybe instead of BIG CLOUDZ I should just say BIG JERKS.
It wouldn't get the point across as well, but it would help avoid any confusion.


As has been noted here in this thread, a vaper can be a BIG JERK with an Ego too.

Well perhaps it wasn't your intent and I misunderstood but I do see it around here quite a bit.

This one was from just last night when we were discussing the 150 Sigelei. Is this really called for?



"I vape not to smoke. 1.5 is plenty enough for an ADV with a regulated mod. When I smoked, I didn't do it to look like a human chimney. People try to justify sub-ohming with the typical, ' oh I prefer it this way, I love the vapor, the warmer vape, blah blah'. Yeah ok.

Pumping tons of vapor into your body, then go on to say it's 'healthier'than smoking and it satisfies your cravings. Ok, champ."

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[AndriaD]

My use of term BIG CLOUDZ is meant to refer to jerks who vape with zero concern for anyone else.
It is not meant to refer to anyone just because they like to chase clouds.

Maybe instead of BIG CLOUDZ I should just say BIG JERKS.
It wouldn't get the point across as well, but it would help avoid any confusion.


As has been noted here in this thread, a vaper can be a BIG JERK with an Ego too.

But don't you know? that should be "big jerkz" -- because part of what makes them jerkz is their total inability to use the language in any accepted fashion. They have to be 'k-rad 3l33t dudez'.

Andria

 

[beckdg]

I don't suppose it would ever happen, but if everyone who vaped stayed home from work/school for just one day in protest.
Be a nice little sheeple while lead to the slaughter is not on my dance card.

I've done my part. My job knows damn well the day there's a vaping policy is the day I resign. I'll walk out before the paper's in my hand....

That was made clear in my interview.

I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have much of an effect. Maybe if we promised to never come back they would give us a few concessions.

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

I've done my part. My job knows damn well the day there's a vaping policy is the day I resign. I'll walk out before the paper's in my hand....

My company instituted a $50/month surcharge for nicotine users a little over a year ago.
So far I have been able to work around that surcharge by using a loophole, which they intend to close next year.

If I still work there at that time then I guess I'll probably wind up paying, but then this...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-they-arent-allowed-vape-5.html#post15190712

 

[Bad Ninja]

My company instituted a $50/month surcharge for nicotine users a little over a year ago.
So far I have been able to work around that surcharge by using a loophole, which they intend to close next year.

If I still work there at that time then I guess I'll probably wind up paying, but then this...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-they-arent-allowed-vape-5.html#post15190712

Wow.
So your company doesn't really care about your health, they just see it as a way to extort nicotine users?
Lol

Ahhh you are in San Diego. That explains it.

 

[Rossum]

He did say that company has been very good to him and his family for many years. My guess is that they are simply passing along the cost difference that their insurance provider charges based on whether or not someone uses tobacco products.

I might further speculate that the loophole DC2 refers to is that vapers currently aren't technically "tobacco users", but when the FDA finally deems vapor products containing nicotine to BE tobacco products, that loophole will no longer be available.

 

[Rizzyking]

I deal with politicians at local, county and national level (local, state and federal would be the american counterparts i think) and I can assure you Oberon in all instances they have showed pictures of inconsiderate vapers blowing clouds one of them was very proud of his video clip of an idiot sitting on a wall blowing that much vapour that people were walking into the road to avoid it. Now days the one's I pester on a regular basis know that isn't a typical aspect of vaping using stealth vaping and a visit to a pub helped to show them vaping can be both subtle and socially unobtrusive, dealing with MP's and members of the house of lords is much harder as they are so media driven and have the attention span that makes goldfish impressive but have made headway there as well.

I'm not an american and I don't pretend to have a grasp of the system there but here in the UK "cool" vapours are the biggest pain in my behind not least because I cannot in anyway defend let alone justify that type of vaping. I'm not calling for bans on any style or devices but until we have a stable legislative base for vaping everyone in the community needs to play their part and no one is going to convince me that's unreasonable. Just so my position is clear I'm totally in favour of minimum age 18 in the UK, quality standards on eliquid to ensure it's as safe as possible and doesn't contain nasties like diactyl and the like, training for people working in b&m's to ensure people get the appropriate advice and are sold the appropriate devices for the level of their knowledge. I accept though don't like that a degree of taxation will be imposed as governments are losing money and they hate that any little extra they can get from vaping will grease wheels faster for better legislation.

All, some or none of that may be good for america but here it has made discussions easier and the politicians happier knowing they can be seen to be on top of things. Vapers mainly already act responsibly and appropriately it is just a very small minority that need to either pull their head in or move onto the next fad and go ruin that.