So why is it?.....

[Woofer]

No, but they do need the support of the masses who are not part of their little bitty group to keep their agenda going.

Think about it.

If they said "We need to keep kids from vaping" and everyone responded "I have never seen a kid vaping" how much support would they get? If they said "These huge vapor clouds in public are a problem" and everyone responded "I've never seen anyone blowing big vapor clouds in public" how much support they would get?

If they say "We need to keep kids from vaping and people blowing huge vapor clouds in public are a problem" and people say "I just saw a pack of kids at the movie theater yesterday blowing these massive fog bank sized clouds as people with small children walked by", how much support do you think they'll get.


LOTS of people have an agenda, even you. But you need support if you want to push your agenda on others, and the ANTZ people you're so afraid off also need support. Sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending that these issues aren't giving them the fuel they need to further their agenda achieves nothing for you and helps them further their agenda. You could argue that public cloud chasing isn't a problem until you're blue in the face, but the moment a non-smoker sees someone cloud chasing in public they're going to support the ANTZ crowd, not you. And if you're doing that public cloud chasing yourself then you're only hurting your own agenda.

All they need is money and determination, they have that.
When they want "the masses" opinion they will tell "the masses" what "the masses" opinion is and "the masses" will agree.
I am not saying that cloud chuckin helps our cause but it is not the death knell that many claim imo.
If the kids blow small clouds are we ok, no we are not.
For the record I do not cloud chase and I think it is a relatively harmless pastime that imo seems silly at best.

I do believe the more peeps that vape the better chance we have of reaching a fair agreement.

 

[jseah]

You know what 50+ yrs of long term study about cigarette smoke actually concluded? Nothing at all. They can't find any definitive link between smoking and any particular disease. Sure, there are *tendencies*... but they've found that COPD is actually initiated by some type of infection, and there are a HUGE number of factors for developing cancer -- the foremost of those factors being genetics, not cigarettes.

Anyone who says that "smoking causes cancer" is blowing smoke out of their posterior, because there is NO definitive evidence of that. It was a scam cooked up by ANTZ and perpetrated by the Surgeon General.

Andria

My father was a two pack a day smoker of Marlboro Reds for over 20 years, until the doctor told him to quit, which he did cold turkey (he quit in the late 70's). He did pick up a candy habit (sucking on sour balls or butterscotch candies instead of smoking). He never did contract lung cancer, although he did have difficulty breathing from emphysema. He did eventually succumb to cancer at the age of 86, but it was prostate cancer and it was 5 years after he was originally diagnosed.

 

[DC2]

If it's a question of a kid smoking tobacco or vaping then vape away personally I would rather they vape and minimise damage whilst getting it out if their system likewise people who take up vaping for other practical reasons of which quitting tobacco is just one. If someone starts vaping because they watched some YouTube vids and their only interest is showing the world how much vapour they can chuck out when and where they want then I have a problem. They are the one's who will get into any fad ride it into the ground and move onto the next not caring about what the damage they did and there is a lot of them at the minute, they are not knowledgeable or safe and annoy the hell out of people.

I am worried vaping will be restricted but not for myself I'm quite well prepared for the future but I'm more concerned for those smoking now who may not have the option of vaping in the future. I've helped quite a few make the switch from tobacco to vaping and seen first hand the difference it has made to their life that's what I'm worried about losing. Cloud chasing by those who know what they are doing isn't the problem it's the instant gratification idiot that gets into vaping for no practical reason other then some stupid belief it's a cool thing to do.

Like it or not most people these days weren't smokers they have little time or inclination to properly look into vaping on any detailed level they are driven by the media and the idiot cool person chucking clouds all over the place is harming vaping and handing all the ammunition needed to those ignorants looking to impose their beliefs on all vapers and as a community we should get angry about it.

Welcome to the YouTube generation.

 

[DC2]

I'm completely puzzled by this post. Did you read this part: "taken something which has saved our lives, and turned it into cheap entertainment" or this part: "which might remove this life-saving technology from those who truly need it" ?

And as I said... it really doesn't bother me if bozos want it for cheap entertainment... it's safer than most stuff that bozos like that might get up to. My only problem with it is that those bozos are becoming "the face of vaping" to all those who don't vape, and as such, making us ALL look like bozos, and giving the ANTZ greater fodder for their brainless campaign, which might in turn cause this life-saving technology to be removed from those who truly need it -- NOT for cheap entertainment, but to save their lives from smoking tobacco.

If you think about it, there are three parts to this equation...

1) The decades long dehumanization efforts of the ANTZ and their ilk
2) The Nanny State politicians
3) Jerks

I don't like any of them, and I place the blame on ALL of them.

 

[alicewonderland]

To some people here, that is not enough. Just the sight of a vapor cloud bigger then what a ProVari can produce is an abomination. This includes my basic DNA 40 nickel builds.

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well, tbh, from the past couple days of these kind of threads of 'clouds' and such, i can only count 1 or 2 people really that just outright dont listen to reason and bash 'cloud chasing'. There were a couple of points that others have brought up that I never really thought of or paid attention to, in the recent anti-vape ads they do show people using mods and blowing massive clouds, especially with that new campaign over here in california. I am a vaper myself, and the image that the 'flamboyant' minority of vapers put out there is the trendy/hip big cloud chasers blowing big clouds in public, is the 'public image' I associate with vaping nowadays. It might not be true to where everyone lives, but this is what I see in vapers when I go out in public or to B&M's. Just people lounging and blowing vapor 10x bigger than cigarette smoke in public.

Personally I enjoy big vapor, but only at home. Personally I dont care much to make it a well known fact to every person who comes in my visual vicinity by blowing a humungous cloud for them to notice, but thats just me. I refrain from excessively vaping in public or use less vapor setup. With all the anti-vaping campaign and disinformation out there, pretend you are one of the ignorant public that know nothing about vaping. There are a smoker and a vaper near you and both are smoking/vaping, from what you have been exposed to by the media - vaping is as dangerous as smoking, if not more dangerous-, that is in your head. Now take into consideration the visuals, smoker: slowly puffing on his small cigarette blowing mostly transparent thin visible smoke, vaper: taking deep lung hits from a mechanical thingamajig and throwing dense milky clouds into the air that you cant see through. Now which looks more dangerous?

I think the majority of people here just agree that it is just contributing to bad public image for us in the media is from what I can get out of all these discussions. No offense Oberon75, but it feels like you are clumping anyone who has anything negative to say about blowing massive clouds together with the straight outright bashers/haters. There is no need to defend yourself against an invisible enemy my friend. Less headaches. There are some people who are just not open-minded and having discussions with them wont open their eyes to other point of views, I personally ignore some of those people.

 

[AndriaD]

If you think about it, there are three parts to this equation...

1) The decades long dehumanization efforts of the ANTZ and their ilk
2) The Nanny State politicians
3) Jerks

I don't like any of them, and I place the blame on ALL of them.

I do too, and although the ANTZ efforts are probably done in order to convince non-vapers that we're doing something BAAAAAAAAAD, so that the politicos don't get any static when they impose absurd taxes... I really think that last part is really why all this is happening. Not one of the ANTZ or the gov't cares ONE WHIT about anyone's actual health.... they care about the health of their own pockets.

Andria

 

[Bernard Marx]

Whenever I see a news item about vaping and they interview someone in a vape-shop I just count off the seconds until the reporter gets somebody to blow a great big cloud. Jeez I hate that!

 

[Bad Ninja]

Whenever I see a news item about vaping and they interview someone in a vape-shop I just count off the seconds until the reporter gets somebody to blow a great big cloud. Jeez I hate that!

There always people that push the envelope in every field.
It doesn't mean everyone, or even the majority will.

Racing happens. It doesn't mean everyone will try to be Tony Stewart.

 

[jseah]

There always people that push the envelope in every field.
It doesn't mean everyone, or even the majority will.

Racing happens. It doesn't mean everyone will try to be Tony Stewart.

And the media celebrates those that push the envelope and live outside the mainstream, the counter culturists. The Discovery Channel has a series that profiles a bunch of street racers from Oklahoma City (ever since the Fast and the Furious movies became popular). National Geographic has a series of documentaries that profile people with strange "preferences" and groups of gangs and street dealers. Anything odd and unusual sells nowadays.

So obviously when the media wants to do a story on e-cigs, they'll go looking for the cloud competitions.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Well, not every car driver races.
We have professional race tracks and drivers, none affecting automobile sales in a negative way.
You can buy a factory built 700hp dodge if you have the cash and desire. It's all good.

Point is, it doesn't have the negative effect as posted above.

 

[NancyR]

We don't mind if you vape.

Just don't blow big clouds where people would get rightfully offended.
And don't be a jerk.

That last one is the one that worries me the most.

When I went to the state cap here for the rally against the bills they where hearing that day, the guy in charge gave everyone a sheet of paper with basic do's and don'ts, basically a don't be a jerk sheet. Even with it saying that they where not allowed to vape where smoking was not allowed people vaped in the line to go into the hearing, making security come and tell them to go across the way. This type of behavior doesn't help us.

I wish I could elaborate more but interesting how the same carcinogens found in something else have been said by science to do the exact opposite of what they claim cigarette smoke does.

I come from a family of life long smokers who are either still alive or lived well into their 70's, 80's and even 90's. I've never met anybody in real life who has got cancer from smoking.

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I am glad you haven't, I on the other hand have. The year my daughter was born we lost her great grandmother to lung cancer, it was horrible and something I don't wish on anyone. Her cancer was linked to smoking, no it was not the only cause but it was one of them.

That same year, in fact the same month she passed my father was also told he had lung cancer. Thankfully his was of a different sort and they where able to do surgery and remove it.

 

[Woofer]

I don't suppose it would ever happen, but if everyone who vaped stayed home from work/school for just one day in protest.
Be a nice little sheeple while lead to the slaughter is not on my dance card.

 

[Bernard Marx]

I don't suppose it would ever happen, but if everyone who vaped stayed home from work/school for just one day in protest.
Be a nice little sheeple while lead to the slaughter is not on my dance card.

I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have much of an effect. Maybe if we promised to never come back they would give us a few concessions.

 

[NancyR]

I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have much of an effect. Maybe if we promised to never come back they would give us a few concessions.

Umm under what grounds that we stay away or that we come back? lol

 

[Bad Ninja]

I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have much of an effect. Maybe if we promised to never come back they would give us a few concessions.

Whoa there...still sorta self employed.
I allow myself to vape while working. You stay home if ya want, my protest would only affect my wallet.


I'm courteous when I vape, or work , or live life in general.

 

[Bernard Marx]

My impression is that we are unpleasant to be around.

Stinky, stinky vapers ― yuck!

 

[Woofer]

I'm pretty sure this wouldn't have much of an effect. Maybe if we promised to never come back they would give us a few concessions.

I am positive it would have a huge effect. 10 million peeps don't show up for work, GDP takes a hit, it is all about the money.
The reality is few have balls anymore.

 

[Bernard Marx]

I am positive it would have a huge effect. 10 million peeps don't show up for work, GDP takes a hit, it is all about the money.
The reality is few have balls anymore.

That is complete nonsense.

 

[Woofer]

That is complete nonsense.

Yes of course, being nice is all that is required.
It is really working great.

 

[AndriaD]

I am positive it would have a huge effect. 10 million peeps don't show up for work, GDP takes a hit, it is all about the money.
The reality is few have balls anymore.

I dunno if they have balls or not.. but I betcha they do have BILLs... and the need to pay them. If my husband doesn't work 40 hrs a week on the clock, he doesn't get time-and-a-half for the 7.5 hrs of OT he gets weekly, and that really hurts.

Andria