So why is it?.....

[alicewonderland]

As luck would have it the Atty is on a evod mega. And several people went to help.
I even found out for him the battery only rubs at 3.7 and has short protection so it is not trying to fully power the dripper.


But there's no excuse for this guy

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/not-advisable/667275-next-big-thing-youtube.html

Bragging about how far he has come as a vapor, .15 on an efest. People are trying to help but doesn't really seem to care. Instead of upping the R wants to know the best battery for the build.


If you fell like being associated with this crowd more power to you. I'm personally not going to sit next to these people on the couch

Amusingly there is another forum that has a section dedicated to people moaning about ECF. All day long the same people over and over with how much they hate it here and why.
Wanna talk attys? Nope ECF sucks, did you see that new mod, nope the ECF mods suck..

I feel better off knowing those people are somewhere else anyways. People come in trying to show or think rules don't apply then can't stand it when they get attacked.


Very few posts, if any at all start out " hey guys I'm running this super low setup and I was wondering is this safe? are my batteries OK?
Nope always guns blazing, look at me look at me the shop set me up so I can haz clowds

The OP of that thread finding it insulting that the guy was facepalming him, but yet the guy facepalming him clearly stated/helped him understand that the battery hes using is not capable of handling the build he has lol. Seems like any kind of negativity is being a dbag somehow and we should rid the world of anything negative! Get rid of electrons! They are ruining everything!

 

[DC2]

That newbies don't blow off their faces.

Okay, I am on board with that for sure.
But I'd rather they be steered towards something less "hostile" to their faces.

At least until they have some concept of what vaping is all about.

Edit: I should add the fight against ridiculous taxation and any type of ban, but thats a given and wanted to stay on topic.

I can only hope that's a given for all vapers.
Not just those who are vaping to save their lives.

But I fear the new generation of vapers don't care about any of that as they are chasing fads as much as clouds.
Whether they step on my lawn or not is not really relevant.


I remember when the New Members forum was more about helping people quit smoking.
It looks less and less like that all the time.

That's seems to me to be why they created the "Simple Solutions" subforum.
Not that I think that will solve the problem.

 

[DingerCPA]

I've read bits and pieces of this thread and another thread where the OP feels that "cloud chasers" are being harshly judged. I started vaping to quit smoking, and I have been predominately a "tootle puffer". I'm learning as I go, and I'm starting to enjoy thicker, denser clouds that I achieve by changing up my setup and using higher-VG juices.

I have a degree in Electrical Engineering, and I have a respect for what can happen when "electricity goes bad". I am awed by the monster clouds that some people can chuck. I would have never blown a giant cigarette smoke cloud at someone, and I would never blow a big vape cloud at anyone. However, it concerns me when folks are not willing to properly educate themselves on safety issues. I'm also frustrated by those who just have to "show themselves" because they think it's cool. I was recently at a vape convention, and as we were in line to enter the venue, we were requested to not vape in the hallways because it was setting off fire alarms all throughout the facility. One attendee, with complete disregard for common courtesy, blew a huge cloud in the Fire Marshall's face. REALLY???? Was that entirely necessary????

I just caught a blurb on CBS news this evening, talking about all the teens who have started vaping. The (idiotic) person who was being interviewed was spewing all kinds of stuff about formaldehyde and "unknown" chemicals in eliquids and how un-safe vaping is. If we want to be able to continue our paths of using vaping equipment in lieu of smoking tobacco cigarettes, we need to focus on EDUCATING the population and ensuring vapers use equipment SAFELY.

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[freeall]

So back to the original post....

'So why is it.....'?

 

[Rizzyking]

Because as much as some may not like it freeall some people come here not to learn not to be helped but to just show off what they think is their brilliant setup and after you have dealt with that type for a while sorry to say you'll become like many of us. Just to address the last point Brandon made if he is still keeping up with thread no we don't know for an absolute certainty that vaping is completely safe but research methodology and the technology involved is light years ahead of where it was when they started researching the effects of tobacco smoking and medical understanding of the human body and the many systems that make it are further ahead still. If there were major health implications we'd have an idea of them by now and you can be sure many millions perhaps even tens of millions have gone into research trying to identify a health issue and nothing has come from it bar two or three studies so scientifically inept it's beyond laughable.

Research is on going and as responsible vapers we must keep up to date but at this point in time I don't have any major concerns on health with vaping but that's a decision every vaper must make for themselves there is also no doubt vaping is many magnitudes more safe then smoking tobacco. Again ECF has been sullied by a poster and to be perfectly honest if you agree with the opponents of ECF that it is that bad have the courage of your convictions and leave or at the very least acknowledge people who have attempted to engage with you on an adult level. Put up or shut up if this forum was half as bad as you insinuate you would have been banned as some who have criticised other forums have been your still here and still free to post so it isn't that bad is it .

 

[beckdg]

As luck would have it the Atty is on a evod mega. And several people went to help.
I even found out for him the battery only rubs at 3.7 and has short protection so it is not trying to fully power the dripper.


But there's no excuse for this guy

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/not-advisable/667275-next-big-thing-youtube.html

Bragging about how far he has come as a vapor, .15 on an efest. People are trying to help but doesn't really seem to care. Instead of upping the R wants to know the best battery for the build.


If you fell like being associated with this crowd more power to you. I'm personally not going to sit next to these people on the couch

Amusingly there is another forum that has a section dedicated to people moaning about ECF. All day long the same people over and over with how much they hate it here and why.
Wanna talk attys? Nope ECF sucks, did you see that new mod, nope the ECF mods suck..

I feel better off knowing those people are somewhere else anyways. People come in trying to show or think rules don't apply then can't stand it when they get attacked.


Very few posts, if any at all start out " hey guys I'm running this super low setup and I was wondering is this safe? are my batteries OK?
Nope always guns blazing, look at me look at me the shop set me up so I can haz clowds.

And I will call you out, when someone shows up looking for help or ready to learn the list of vets offering advice in their thread is pretty big.

But
You come through the door thinking your all that and know everything cause you saw it on YouTube you just painted a target on your forehead

Let me know if this is awkward...

Cause I know no boundaries...

But i believe this is the point where I express my love with a man-hug...

Tapatyped

 

[AndriaD]

Brandon as someone who has tried many times to help people I can tell you now I'd rather try to convert a hundred diehard antz then ever try it again as all I got was smart .... remarks, insults and abuse because "I wasn't using what they were so how could I know about it". If you want an example of the futility of such actions your in the perfect thread I and many others have addressed the points raised by a poster who doesn't respond to those replies and carry's on using generalities whilst bemoaning generalities on their preferred aspect of vaping. It isn't a lack of wanting to give help and advice it's a lack of being receptive and understanding on the part of those we try to help and a lousy attitude more often then not.

I got much the same when I started a thread once on dehydration.

I guess the thing I find absolutely the most annoying around here, is when people chime into a thread just to say they don't do whatever the thread is about, or they don't believe in what the thread is about. If a person doesn't believe that vaping dehydrates him, great! But that in no way lessens the reality of others, and informing everyone that you don't believe in it is not helpful. Or, recently someone asked aboult alternatives to drinking water constantly -- probably 1/4 (or more!) of the msgs in that thread advised... you guessed it: drinking water. Or when someone asks about high PG juices, someone just HAS to inform us that THEY only use VG and everyone else should too. That sort of thing is VERY trying. If I see a thread in which someone is asking for 100% or max- VG juices, I don't plop down in the middle of it and inform them that *I* always use 84% PG and they should too. Likewise I'd never presume to tell someone at what power level or resistance they should vape, only try to help them understand the relationship between amps, resistance, and power.

Andria

 

[Asbestos4004]

I got much the same when I started a thread once on dehydration.

I guess the thing I find absolutely the most annoying around here, is when people chime into a thread just to say they don't do whatever the thread is about, or they don't believe in what the thread is about. If a person doesn't believe that vaping dehydrates him, great! But that in no way lessens the reality of others, and informing everyone that you don't believe in it is not helpful. Or, recently someone asked aboult alternatives to drinking water constantly -- probably 1/4 (or more!) of the msgs in that thread advised... you guessed it: drinking water. Or when someone asks about high PG juices, someone just HAS to inform us that THEY only use VG and everyone else should too. That sort of thing is VERY trying. If I see a thread in which someone is asking for 100% or max- VG juices, I don't plop down in the middle of it and inform them that *I* always use 84% PG and they should too. Likewise I'd never presume to tell someone at what power level or resistance they should vape, only try to help them understand the relationship between amps, resistance, and power.

Andria

And of course, you'd NEVER call sub ohm vapors bozos or idiots...or anything like that.

 

[Rizzyking]

I believe rude inappropriate vapers have been called idiots and bozo's amongst other things I might well have done it myself because they are that is not to mistake that attitude relates to the whole area of cloud chasing as it doesn't because most people on this forum have an attitude of live and let live. If anyone is going to tell me that isn't the case I want links to specific threads containing this attack on cloud chasing or sub ohming as a style of vaping because my patience with generalities on here is starting to wear very thin to the point I'm liable to incur the mods wrath with my response to any more of it

 

[alicewonderland]

I believe rude inappropriate vapers have been called idiots and bozo's amongst other things I might well have done it myself because they are that is not to mistake that attitude relates to the whole area of cloud chasing as it doesn't because most people on this forum have an attitude of live and let live. If anyone is going to tell me that isn't the case I want links to specific threads containing this attack on cloud chasing or sub ohming as a style of vaping because my patience with generalities on here is starting to wear very thin to the point I'm liable to incur the mods wrath with my response to any more of it

i already had been victim of the so called mods wrath i called out a person who constantly keeps causing the drama by arguing so passionately and blaming all of us as cloudchaser bashers. So called person even got so ...... off, hes on other forums trying to garner troops to come to this forum to back him up and agree with him cuz absolutely no one here is backing him up. He will never get a clue, and I will probably get banned if I have to keep hearing his anti-cloudbasher-bashing BS stink up every thread with his diluted 'you are all a clique of cloudbashing haters' drama. Because theres a point where you stop being reasonable and flat out say 'you are being an ignorant fool', and thats about where I am right now.

 

[Underwhelmed]

I believe rude inappropriate vapers have been called idiots and bozo's amongst other things I might well have done it myself because they are that is not to mistake that attitude relates to the whole area of cloud chasing as it doesn't because most people on this forum have an attitude of live and let live. If anyone is going to tell me that isn't the case I want links to specific threads containing this attack on cloud chasing or sub ohming as a style of vaping because my patience with generalities on here is starting to wear very thin to the point I'm liable to incur the mods wrath with my response to any more of it

Don't take the bait.

There is an attack on ECF being waged by a single active poster in this thread and few others who is trying to rally support from users on other forums.

This is why no links have been given dispite numerous request.

This is why we had an "I'm leaving but here's a video first" thread.

Edit-I can't provide links here to those other forums because they aren't allowed by ECF's filters and it wouldn't be right to do so anyway, but when you use the same name on multiple forums it's not hard to find using a simple Google search.

 

[Thrasher]

And to further rufute the claims of how we all attack

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/667428-sub-ohming-1-a.html

Seems like everyone's being pretty helpful to me

 

[Rizzyking]

First off Alice I saw what you posted and whilst I understand the mods actions you were spot on , yes I'm aware of the anti ECF little group and it isn't just ECF they are pushing their agenda on a few forums not sure if they are trying be recognised as a victim group lol. If they carry on though mods are going to get a lot busier as patience is going to wear thin for many people and frustration and anger will be doing the posting. For the merry tiny tiny little band it applies too this forum isn't changing just to gratify you and instead of being so insecure and precious perhaps time would be better spent developing a thicker skin and when you perceive what you believe to be criticism take a step back have a few puffs on your chosen device remember this is an internet forum open to all and get some perspective. Failing that please don't threaten to go just go and find a place where your happier it really is that simple.

 

[SissySpike]

Someone is always going to be upset at someone else's post. Some people tend to take them selves to seriously some people like to be victims and most likely they are the same in their everyday life always something or another standing in the way of that person achieving happiness and goals.

There is an attitude some people have against cloud chasers it seems there are those who would rather blame them for all of the attention vaping is getting lately instead of laying the blame where it belongs our legislators, those are the people who are attacking this.

IF you really think a few kids souping up their mods and blowing some clouds is the cause and solution to all of our troubles you are kidding your self.

Finally its pretty easy to not get bashed don't throw up troll topics there are places in ECF where you can talk about pretty much anything vape related you just need to look for the appropriate place.

I think if someone gets so up set at a internet forum post they devote time energy and go out and hunt up a gang to do some post fighting is hilarious, all I can say is put that energy in to something positive and it would be better suited rather than some dumb post no one will remember a week from now

 

[AndriaD]

And of course, you'd NEVER call sub ohm vapors bozos or idiots...or anything like that.

I don't think that sub-ohm vaping is what makes them bozos or idiots. The problem is when bozos or idiots attempt something so potentially hazardous -- and someone trying to vape at .2 without a thorough understanding of Ohm's Law and battery safety.. yep, that's a bozo for sure.

Andria

 

[Thrasher]

Someone is always going to be upset at someone else's post. Some people tend to take them selves to seriously some people like to be victims and most likely they are the same in their everyday life always something or another standing in the way of that person achieving happiness and goals.

There is an attitude some people have against cloud chasers it seems there are those who would rather blame them for all of the attention vaping is getting lately instead of laying the blame where it belongs our legislators, those are the people who are attacking this.

IF you really think a few kids souping up their mods and blowing some clouds is the cause and solution to all of our troubles you are kidding your self.

Finally its pretty easy to not get bashed don't throw up troll topics there are places in ECF where you can talk about pretty much anything vape related you just need to look for the appropriate place.

I think if someone gets so up set at a internet forum post they devote time energy and go out and hunt up a gang to do some post fighting is hilarious, all I can say is put that energy in to something positive and it would be better suited rather than some dumb post no one will remember a week from now

This reminds me of the stories about people killing themselves after being constantly bullied in online forums, the problem isn't the bullies, the problem is the person was too stupid to close the page and walk away, why would you keep going back for more if you can't deal with it?


There was a girl, lady whatever here, maybe a few weeks old and quit,, saw her in another forum ranting up a storm about how she was asking about eliquid, and was ...... people kept bringing up that maybe she should try DIY, and that's the whole reason she now hates ecf..


If you don't like the rules, and want to write cuss word filled posts all day then ECF isn't for you, and many other forums are quite proud they allow Wang pictures. But there's several other vape forums with almost the same rules and you don't find any ECF quitters on them either.

Think ecf gets strict? Go be an a## on POTV and watch how fast the ban hammer comes out

 

[stevegmu]

This reminds me of the stories about people killing themselves after being constantly bullied in online forums, the problem isn't the bullies, the problem is the person was too stupid to close the page and walk away, why would you keep going back for more if you can't deal with it?

People seem to think their silly attempts to insult me bother me, but they don't. They don't have any power over me. If another negatively affects me, they win. I don't like to lose, so I don't give them that power...
I am king of Prague, after all...

 

[tj99959]

here's the deal:

NO ONE, but me, chooses which threads or posts I will read.
NO ONE, but me, needs to take responsibility for what I choose to post.
There has been an iggy button on this forum since day one!

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Who or what is this 'iggy' you speak of?
Iggy Pop?

I'd rather have a Taco button.

 

[tj99959]

Who or what is this 'iggy' you speak of?
Iggy Pop?

I'd rather have a Taco button.

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